Are Gerrard and Parker the deep midfielders or he and Milner?
Probably the side I'd start at the Euros though, maybe Lescott for Terry if he's still playing shite.
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Football Thread 2011/2012 | OT11 | Roll on the Euros and transfer muppetry
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Are Gerrard and Parker the deep midfielders or he and Milner?
Probably the side I'd start at the Euros though, maybe Lescott for Terry if he's still playing shite.
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Milchmonster
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The German league is a joke lol
The German supercup is supposed to be played at the Cup winner's stadium. Because we won the league, too, it will be played at the Allianz Arena. What the fuck?
The German supercup is supposed to be played at the Cup winner's stadium. Because we won the league, too, it will be played at the Allianz Arena. What the fuck?
Surely milner sitting deeper. Gerrard has no tactical awareness (also why he was never a great player).
Do you play yourself?
Tim the Wiz
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We scored 89 goals last season, more than what a quartet of Ronaldo-Rooney-Berbatov-Tevez could oversee in 2008-09 by some 20 or so goals. Of course, back then defences were harder to unlock. Similarly, even though our attack will be qualitatively improved by Kagawa (I think Salazar aptly likened it to a potential multiplier effect), I don't think scoring will necessarily change, but I do think we'll regain some variance in attack.
Last season, in particular, you saw Scholes and Carrick play very deep, and almost all of our play go through our wingers, with Rooney unable to conduct much as an isolated figure behind the striker. A noted contrast to our early season play with the (yes, defence-burdening) Anderson-Cleverley combination or even the 2010-11 season, when Fletcher was still around.
It's the reason why Chicharito has become less effective and Welbeck was cherished so quickly by Fergie. Our form of play through the centre was incredibly lacking, and it's also why we failed to kill off a lot of games during the season. I'll give Young his due, because he often drifts inside, he was able to affect a number of games - and Valencia did something similar, when he went direct and scored that fabulous goal at the beginnings of the run-in.
So, I don't know if the number of goals will change, but I do foresee us having a rejuvenated approach, that should yield a better class of goalscoring opportunities. In short, we'll be more effective at winning games.
That's what I thought. Milner's excruciatingly overrated, but in lieu of Lampard's absence seems the logical sub.
Hart
Johnson - Cahill - Terry - Cole
Parker - Milner
Oxlade-Chamberlain - Gerrard - Young
Welbeck
I'd assume that's the line up
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Milchmonster
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Would be awesome, BVB vs BVB II at the Allianz Arena, I'd be okay with that lol
No, it's against Bayern of course, they finished second ̶i̶̶n̶̶ ̶̶b̶̶o̶̶t̶̶h̶̶ ̶̶t̶̶h̶̶e̶̶ ̶̶c̶̶u̶̶p̶̶ ̶̶a̶̶n̶̶d̶̶ ̶̶t̶̶h̶̶e̶̶ ̶̶l̶̶e̶̶a̶̶g̶̶u̶̶e̶ everywhere.
Meus Renaissance
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The Ox to outshine Hazard
Unless he goes into retard mode and plays 4-4-2
Hart
Johnson - Cahill - Terry - Cole
Chamberlain-Parker - Gerrard-Milner
----------------------Young
----------------Welbeck
... holy fuck that's the line up. I forgot it was Roy 'Flat Back' Hodgson
A man after your own heart eh!
Not gonna bother watching the euro's if we play gerrard and parker in the middle of a 4-4-2. No point at all.
Your kidding right? What a steal!
Jesus.
Could you imagine if england were as good as spain.
BlindCommunication
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Belgium line up :
Mignolet, G Gillet, Vertonghen, Kompany (c), Vermaelen, Mertens, Witsel, Mirallas, Hazard, Fellaini, Dembele
Ready to watch the new golden generation getting spanked by the team formerly known as golden generation. Kompany, Vermaelen and Vertonghen playing, expect to see some hilarious defending.
At least Mertens and Mirallas starting, that's the best attacking line we could have fielded. Hope Dembele and Witsel will actually track back to help with defensive duties...
Mignolet, G Gillet, Vertonghen, Kompany (c), Vermaelen, Mertens, Witsel, Mirallas, Hazard, Fellaini, Dembele
Ready to watch the new golden generation getting spanked by the team formerly known as golden generation. Kompany, Vermaelen and Vertonghen playing, expect to see some hilarious defending.
At least Mertens and Mirallas starting, that's the best attacking line we could have fielded. Hope Dembele and Witsel will actually track back to help with defensive duties...
Still think Germany and Spain are way ahead in GK position. First choice and reserve keepers.
Hart will be there soon though. Great player, and probably the next England captain
Arn't they really good though?
Milchmonster
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I had no idea either. By who? Bundesliga.de had Lewandowski as player of the season a few weeks back.
About Hummels:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=38426367&postcount=9364
There is no rumour.
It'll be Parker and Gerrard in the middle with Milner tucked in off the right allowing Gerrard to get about/create something, and vice versa.
6/10, must try harder.
BlindCommunication
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They are good enough, they aren't as amazing as some people make them out to be though. I think Arsenal fans have realized by now with Vermaelen. Moreover, they don't perform in the national squad. And Vertonghen/Vermaelen have to play full backs half the time since we have no one there.
He'll play in his best/favourite position, as a defensive midfielder. Sure he can score the odd goal when he's played as an attacking midfielder but only thanks to his height/physical strength, he's actually not comfortable there. Hazard will play CAM and Witsel will be the more attacking of the two defensive minded midfielders.
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I googled Bundesliga PoTY and Kagawas name kept coming up in articles. But none of them have actually said who gave him this award. It's a little suspicious.
I read the Hummels thing on another forum. It's probably completely untrue anyway.
Give over, Gerrard is a player that looks good on highlights but brings the rest of the team down with his poor positional play.
lol
Sounds like another team I know......
Cheers.
Yeah I think I'd rather they alternate than stick to positions. Gerrard's got awful positional play anyway so if he can roam a bit it's better.
It's pretty easy to exploit a massive gap in the midfield.
I think you are vastly overstating how good England are.
As for this, "he was never a great player" were you a football fan from about 2004-2009, when he was one of the best players in the world?
While Gerrard isn't great playing deep, to say he is not/was never a great player, is Lunchbox levels of bad.
Milchmonster
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That's actually hilarious. All I see is United forums claiming Kagawa is POTY and it's actually from some (cheap) international Bundesliga fan site.
No way Kagawa deserves POTY, too. His first half of the season was pretty bad. It's totally Reus' award.
Terry is great sometimes when he isn't wearing the England shirt. Cole's the only player that consistently plays well for both.
I'd disagree, I this he is one of those players that flatter to deceive. He is a player you have to build a team around as he has no discipline. This is a massive flaw that can't be ignored. You couldn't put him in another team of that era chelsea, utd etc and expect the same performance. In my eyes that makes him a limited player, thus he can never be one of the greats.
Reus, and the whole team, had a terrible end of season IIRC.
Fair enough.
Do you think Dortmund signed Reus because they knew Kagawa was leaving?
Alternatively, he was so good at Liverpool the team was built around him. Playing out wide and then behind the striker in the Benitez years made him devastating. He is an offensive player, so it is no surprise his performances drop when he's made to play the water carrier role.
I think the issue might be we have different ideas of what great is. Currently i'd say the only greats midfielders are Xavi and Iniesta with maybe Silva. You?
BlindCommunication
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Surprised Kompany was supposed to play, he has been injured for two weeks and it didn't seem to improve at all. Timmy Simons coming in as a CB apparently, Vertonghen still at full back, we're officially screwed.
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