Steverulez
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This ref is a bloody joke. He doesn't give England anything, then when we win the ball fairly, a bit of a contest on the ball he blows for a France free-kick.
What a joke.
What a joke.
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Football Thread 2011/2012 | OT11 | Roll on the Euros and transfer muppetry
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Wax Free Vanilla
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Bidding has gone to round 2
I hope Al Jazeera blow Sky's offer out of the water, it would be glorious if Sky were left with the scraps.
BlindCommunication
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England should be satisfied with that draw. France had the upper hand in the 2nd half and they were much fresher physically in the last 30 mins. Roy's subs were pretty strange and didn't help. Walcott should have come on much earlier I think and he should have tried Carroll, he could have played as a target man and help defending on set pieces.
Ref was appalling but England got what they wanted.
Yeah! So we can pay even more money to Al Jazeera!
Yeah! So we can pay even more money to Al Jazeera!
Gaz Pwnage
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Fucking Ref. Simple as that.
LabouredSubterfuge
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England were amazing. World champions.
EAT FREEDOM POINDEXTERS.
EAT FREEDOM POINDEXTERS.
Really? We had like 3 shots in the whole match and it's the ref's fault?
Broder Salsa
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Thought he was great. Didn't take any shit and didn't feel like constantly stopping the game when Gerrard, Ribery and what not were crying in the grass, all of course completely fine as soon as they stopped the play. Also a game where you can actually make tackles in? Great. Some of you guys almost sound like liverpool supporters after a lost match.
But he only had one good month for City last season.
He was anonymous for the next 6 months.
If Mancini wanted to get rid of him then he'd be perfectly justified in doing so.
Regulus Tera
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Mexico has arrived at San Salvador. I'm nervous as fuck and the match is tomorrow night. ><
Definitely got it wrong when Gerrard was shoved over at the edge of the box.
Henderson no touches.
everthustodeadbeats
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Nailed it. With Hodgson, expectations are lowered to below the ankles.
Set the bar low, England.
Freewheelin'
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Not a bad draw at all. I liked that we actually kept the ball for once, good job Roy you are the best England manager ever.
Awesome Animals
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Those French Shirts are as class as class can get.
Okay considering I feared the worst... I was pretty impressed. What I like about this England is that we're buying into Hodgson's philosophy; we're forgetting about being mega stars and playing as a team. I don't think we're as shit as some people have made out to be (me being one of them). Some nice passages of play in there, but fully aware that France were a superior team.
Positives -
* The defence. Hart is a good keeper and despite a few hairy moments - most of them coming from Johnson who was still good, and Cole had a tough time up against Debuchy (who's class btw), they looked really solid. Terry and Lescott were great. We're not going to let many goals in this tournament, we restricted France to an awful lot of long shots.
* Oxlade-Chamberlain. His inexperience showed later on and he made a few silly mistakes, but he's such an exciting player. I'd rather have him over a one dimensional Walcott and Downing every time. The more he plays, I can see him growing into the side.
* Welbeck. Holds the ball up well, reads the game, passes, makes the right decisions. Can't wait to see him link up with Rooney and get in the box a little more, as I felt he had to drop back and do Young's job sometimes.
Negatives -
* Young was quiet. Didn't really do much but I think when Rooney comes back he'll be a little freer.
* The midfield. Parker just ran about not doing much but he passed the ball well at times. Tired massively in the second half and should have been taken off earlier. Gerrard is the type of player a free role was made for and he's so shackled in the centre it's unbelievable. He did almost nothing of note but he's a good enough player so that he isn't shit there, just unremarkable. Milner is shite for a first team player. It's okay for City when 25 of their league games are against inferior opposition but he's just so bland a player. He offers nothing in attack and was just there so Johnson could get forward
I was happy with the first half hour, we passed the ball well and created a few openings. The longer we got on, they got tired and succumbed a little to the heat as they always do, but they kept their shape. I'm happy. Fuck the haters including myself, I'll be content if we play like that from the quarters onwards. I'd like to see us take the game to Sweden and Ukraine.
The ref was pretty biased I thought, we should have had a few more free kicks and Cabaye should have been booked. Cabaye was great though, Nasri was very good as well.
Positives -
* The defence. Hart is a good keeper and despite a few hairy moments - most of them coming from Johnson who was still good, and Cole had a tough time up against Debuchy (who's class btw), they looked really solid. Terry and Lescott were great. We're not going to let many goals in this tournament, we restricted France to an awful lot of long shots.
* Oxlade-Chamberlain. His inexperience showed later on and he made a few silly mistakes, but he's such an exciting player. I'd rather have him over a one dimensional Walcott and Downing every time. The more he plays, I can see him growing into the side.
* Welbeck. Holds the ball up well, reads the game, passes, makes the right decisions. Can't wait to see him link up with Rooney and get in the box a little more, as I felt he had to drop back and do Young's job sometimes.
Negatives -
* Young was quiet. Didn't really do much but I think when Rooney comes back he'll be a little freer.
* The midfield. Parker just ran about not doing much but he passed the ball well at times. Tired massively in the second half and should have been taken off earlier. Gerrard is the type of player a free role was made for and he's so shackled in the centre it's unbelievable. He did almost nothing of note but he's a good enough player so that he isn't shit there, just unremarkable. Milner is shite for a first team player. It's okay for City when 25 of their league games are against inferior opposition but he's just so bland a player. He offers nothing in attack and was just there so Johnson could get forward
I was happy with the first half hour, we passed the ball well and created a few openings. The longer we got on, they got tired and succumbed a little to the heat as they always do, but they kept their shape. I'm happy. Fuck the haters including myself, I'll be content if we play like that from the quarters onwards. I'd like to see us take the game to Sweden and Ukraine.
The ref was pretty biased I thought, we should have had a few more free kicks and Cabaye should have been booked. Cabaye was great though, Nasri was very good as well.
Vivalaraza
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That thread is difficult to get to grips with.
A poor game in general. England organised and France...well, just passive. Barely a good incisive pass in the whole game.
Both goals due to mistakes.
A poor game in general. England organised and France...well, just passive. Barely a good incisive pass in the whole game.
Both goals due to mistakes.
Yeah a fair share of bias and hatred. But I thought we were alright to be fair. Well organised is the best we can hope for. Sad but fuck it.
Broder Salsa
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He sure as fuck wasn't injured or anything though, so good on him for not stopping the play once he decided it wasn't a freekick, just like with Ribery and a couple of other I can't remember. All refs gets a couple of decisions wrong a game, this guy was pretty good.
Vivalaraza
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Southgate thinks England's group is harder than group B lololol
It was dull. But 90' heat plus two teams who didnt want to lose. I am happy enough with the result.
Can't believe you were saying Welbeck was the worst player... the whole midfield and Young were worse.
I was very happy with the result by the end. However the press will word it, we were trapped on the edge of our box for much of the game and a draw is a good result to come away with.
It feels like an overly English thing to do to point to the ref on any occasion, but today perhaps more than most it was actually deserved on a few decisions. Not saying that it was all one way, but there was definitely a lack of consistency which would go a long way to keeping everyone quiet.
There can be no excuses for the lack of creativity and penetration play though, shots were at a premium and really the team did very well to end up with anything to show for today's attacking performance.
Underwhelmed as usual, but you do sort of grow to expect it. Happy with a point, so oddly satisfied considering the performance.
It feels like an overly English thing to do to point to the ref on any occasion, but today perhaps more than most it was actually deserved on a few decisions. Not saying that it was all one way, but there was definitely a lack of consistency which would go a long way to keeping everyone quiet.
There can be no excuses for the lack of creativity and penetration play though, shots were at a premium and really the team did very well to end up with anything to show for today's attacking performance.
Underwhelmed as usual, but you do sort of grow to expect it. Happy with a point, so oddly satisfied considering the performance.
Shearer just said that Welbeck was England's best player. Just goes to show how opinions and perspectives can vary so much.
On reflection, I don't think Englad were as bad as I expected. Even though Micah Richards would be my first choice RB, I think Johnson was probably the England best player today. England have some good width with Ox, Young and two attacking fullbacks , but Walcott should start ahead of Milner.
When Rooney returns England really need to start Jones to protect and flood the midfield, and play Rooney as the lone striker. England really cannot get ahold of the midfield.
On reflection, I don't think Englad were as bad as I expected. Even though Micah Richards would be my first choice RB, I think Johnson was probably the England best player today. England have some good width with Ox, Young and two attacking fullbacks , but Walcott should start ahead of Milner.
When Rooney returns England really need to start Jones to protect and flood the midfield, and play Rooney as the lone striker. England really cannot get ahold of the midfield.
Gerrard and Parker were crap. Lescott and Terry were our best, Nasri and Cabaye theirs.
Young had that great assist for Milner though.
Gerrard gave the assist and made some good defensive blocks. Definitely not crap, but could've been better.
And done fuck all for the other 89 minutes. Welbeck had to keep dropping into space where Young should be collecting the ball. He passed it well, he ran away from defenders, gave someone the ball and then ran into space. Not his fault the midfield gave him no support.
Great cross from a set piece, but he does fuck all deep in the middle. He needs to be behind the striker.
History of his life. lol
I agree, though I've lost hope of seeing him playing in that position.
It's probably the defensive contribution. Gerrard: 7 tackles, 3 shots blocked, 2 effective clearances and so on. Also 3 of our 5 'key passes' and an assist. Parker 5 tackles 4 interceptions.
Gerrard shouldn't have to do that job in the first place though. He did fine defensively but it just annoys me that Gerrard is probably - apart from Rooney - the only player that should have a free role in the team. And he has to fucking stay deep all the time... Milner should have been where Gerrard was.
Agree with this. Young on the wing, Milner pushed back, Gerrard behind welbeck and then swap Rooney in for Welbeck when available.
Just saw this, think it speaks volumes really:
Yep. Until we scored the teams were even, then we sat back. After half time looked alright until we decided to settle for the draw and did so.
Weird mentality sometimes. I hope we take the game to Sweden and Ukraine.
yeah the other team they're playing ukraine has a yellow strip as well so sweden are playing in their away strip this means that when the team that are designated away have similar colour strip to the team designated as the home team they wear a different colour kit
Awesome Animals
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I don't want a 15' laptop though. I will wait for the 13'. My MBP is only a year old anyways. Dat iOS6 though
Thanks for that... Lol
thats okay i know you're new to watching the sport and all
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