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[Clegg]

Reuters reported this yesterday.

First sign of desperation.

Giving up on Singapore seems dodgy to me. I think the Glazers are looking for money right now and have grown impatient. But the new rights deal for the PL is surely a good thing for us. It would give us access to more money which we could then use to buy back bonds and pay interest on the loans.

The float is a good idea in theory but markets are too volatile. And I'm not sure how much money can be raised for non-voting shares.

 

[Ushojax]

I think many have the Spurs supporters here have also mentioned that he started playing a completely different formation, one that didn't work.

We used 3 formations this year. 4411, which worked well when Ade was up front, 4231, which also worked well with Sandro/Livermore paired with Parker, and 442, which was a disaster. The defeats to Norwich, Arsenal and Everton had us playing 442, and the ones against QPR and City had Defoe up front on his own where he is utter shit. We rarely lost when we used the 4231 formation, only when Defoe was involved and we loosened up in midfield did we start to leak goals. There were times where Bale was moved around or Modric/VDVwent out wide, but that rarely mattered as long as they shape didn't change. His decision not to offer King additional midfield protection was ultimately fatal in several matches, not so much that attacking players were shifted around.

 

[dc89]

Monchengladbach have contacted City over the transfer of John Guidetti according to Kicker.

 

[Meier]

Monchengladbach have contacted City over the transfer of John Guidetti according to Kicker.

I think elsk first mentioned that about 2 weeks ago. I don't see why City would sell him and he'd be better off being loaned out in the PL. I guess we'll see.

 

[Vivalaraza]

I agree. Surely it's easier for Glazers to stuff United silly by floating in their own country.

Why?

Not really the case. Glazer's are at a point where if they choose to hold more money back from the club they begin to harm their own long term investment.

The thing to remember in all of this is that £230m of the PIK debt was written off by, until now, an unknown source. Assuming that was the Glazer's themselves, or somebody related to the Glazers...at this moment in time they are actually down on United on their own personal accounts. They have actively taken very little money out of the club thus far.

The IPO is clearly a means to 1) Get that money back 2) Make the club's financial position healthier, and in that order.

That they want to move the IPO over to NYC after looking into the Singapore floatation for as long as they did is strange and it shows the original plan was by no means certain. They wanted to float in Singapore because they thought they could get an unrealistic high price, a naive assumption. Floating in NYC means they will float at a lower price and already there are suggestions they will float for half their original price, but for a lesser stake I assume. To me that suggests they want to get money into the club quickly.

The main reason this is a sign of desperation is that nobody in their right mind would look to launch an IPO at the moment. Look at what happened to Facebook, F1 have withdrawn their own plans for now. At this moment in time the markets are terrible and there is little value out there...yet they want to press ahead and are even willing to shift location...i.e - they need money and quickly.

This image (courtesy of @andersred) shows just how much IPO's have declined over the recent years.

I don't think that has anything to do with the Glazer's wanting to screw United over any more (they have already secured all bases for that tbh) and floating in NYC doesn't really help their cause even if that were the case.

On balance the IPO is good news for a United fan. It means a portion of the club is out of the Glazers' hands and that a much needed influx of money comes into the club. I want this to succeed...just I doubt it will.

 

[rodvik]

Who are some of the candidates for the Tottenham job? Ignoring Moyes of course.

Moyes
Martinez
Capello
Blanc
Benitez
Deschamps
Guardioloooooooooooooooooooooooooool

McLeish
Bruce
McCarthy
Warnock

8)

 

[bjaelke]

https://twitter.com/observationAL/status/213277664755195908

 

[dc89]

Balotelli looks a bit off colour. Well won back for the corner though.

 

[Wes]

BBC Website has an overhead tactical camera stream with Five Live commentary.

This is fantastic. I am in heaven.

 

[dc89]

BBC Website has an overhead tactical camera stream with Five Live commentary.

This is fantastic. I am in heaven.

That's insane.

 

[Arnie]

BBC Website has an overhead tactical camera stream with Five Live commentary.

This is fantastic. I am in heaven.

If it wasn't a few seconds behind the telly I'd have that on too.

I've got a man crush on Chiellini. The guy's an absolute warrior.

 

[elsk]

How was Coloccini for Newcastle last season? I'm surprised he hasn't gotten a call up for Argentina.

He's 30 years old, man.

 

[Wilbur]

Pirlo is owning everyone again

He's 30 years old, man.

So? He's got 3/4 years left as a top class centre back because he's intelligent. Was brilliant last season.

 

[elsk]

So? He's got 3/4 years left as a top class centre back because he's intelligent. Was brilliant last season.

He was called for the WC2006, now they are calling younger players for those positions. Not point in calling an old dude who will be out before the WC2014 starts.

 

[BlindCommunication]

Well deserved for Italy, they should have scored earlier. Pirlo is still ridiculously good, can't believe AC let him go like that, should have let him finish his days at the club.

 

[Awesome Animals]

Pirlo. Class, class, class.

 

[K1LLER7]

Pirlo. Class, class, class.

Outshined Xavi last game and Modric this game. Hope he gets player of the tournament if Italy get through to the end

 

[Salvadora]

Italy are one of the most entertaining teams of this tournament.

 

[bjaelke]

Modric hasn't been allowed into this game yet. Italy is doing a fantastic job shutting him down.

 

[Arnie]

Italy are one of the most entertaining teams of this tournament.

I'd argue the most entertaining team by a large degree.

 

[Ushojax]

Modric hasn't been allowed into this game yet. Italy is doing a fantastic job shutting him down.

Yeah, only one decent pass at the end there. He gave away the fee kick for the goal as well.

 

[Wilbur]

Yeah Italy looking fantastic. Predicted them to be the dark horses. Pirlo done this little shimmy around 5 minutes before half time that just made me laugh, it took my breath away. He's a magnificent footballer.

 

[K1LLER7]

Is Italy's midfield pretty much Juve's midfield?

 

[Wilbur]

Is Italy's midfield pretty much Juve's midfield?

Motta and Maggio withstanding. I'd rather have Nocerino than Motta, he's a more tidy footballer. I think Motta's only there to add a bit of aggression.

 

[bjaelke]

Yeah Italy looking fantastic. Predicted them to be the dark horses. Pirlo done this little shimmy around 5 minutes before half time that just made me laugh, it took my breath away. He's a magnificent footballer.

Well they were an unknown quantity coming into this tournament. They have the quality, no doubt, but there were a lot of disturbing elements surrounding the team including match fixing allegations. They look largely unaffected by those stories and have indeed shown to be a serious title contender. After having watching them against Spain and this first half against Croatia I wouldn't be surprised if they went all the way.

 

[Yurt]

Is Italy's midfield pretty much Juve's midfield?

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[K1LLER7]

Motta and Maggio withstanding. I'd rather have Nocerino than Motta, he's a more tidy footballer. I think Motta's only there to add a bit of aggression.

Ah, no wonder Yurts so happy liking Marchisio too, should've scored in the 1st half.

 

[faridmon]

Thiago Motta is the best defender in Italy IMO1

 

[Wilbur]

Well they were an unknown quantity coming into this tournament. They have the quality, no doubt, but there were a lot of disturbing elements surrounding the team including match fixing allegations. They look largely unaffected by those stories and have indeed shown to be a serious title contender. After having watching them against Spain and this first half against Croatia I wouldn't be surprised if they went all the way.

Yep. Can there be a Germany - Italy final? I'd love to see that. 2006 semi final was one of the best games I've ever seen

 

[elsk]

Thiago Motta is a cunt.

 

[Arnie]

Yeah Italy looking fantastic. Predicted them to be the dark horses. Pirlo done this little shimmy around 5 minutes before half time that just made me laugh, it took my breath away. He's a magnificent footballer.

The one where he turned the midfielder? Was absolutely stunning. Jinked into space.

I predicted them to top their group on our radio show before the tournament began, and someone else predicted Denmark to come 2nd in their group with Holland going out.

 

[Salvadora]

I'd argue the most entertaining team by a large degree.

Don't think I would disagree with this. I hope they go far. Actually quite excited to see Juve in the CL next season.

 

[Wilbur]

Thiago Motta is the best defender in Italy IMO1

But he's a midfielder that plays in France.

The one where he turned the midfielder? Was absolutely stunning. Jinked into space.

I predicted them to top their group on our radio show before the tournament began, and someone else predicted Denmark to come 2nd in their group with Holland going out.

Yeah, I gasped and just laughed. It was magnificent.

I went for Italy to top the group and Denmark second as well originally but I kept flip flopping with my predictions

 

[bjaelke]

Yep. Can there be a Germany - Italy final? I'd love to see that. 2006 semi final was one of the best games I've ever seen

They'll need to win group c (assuming Germany win group b). Otherwise they'll clash in the semi final.

 

[elsk]

PES studios saying they've been working 3 years already in the next-gen PES, and they are using Fox Engine. Sounds good man.

Spoiler

Can't wait for EA to use Unreal Engine in FIFA as response to that.

 

[K1LLER7]

PES studios saying they've been working 3 years already in the next-gen PES, and they are using Fox Engine. Sounds good man.

Spoiler

Can't wait for EA to use Unreal Engine in FIFA as response to that.

Super Mario football/soccer WII U will be better than both.

 

[faridmon]

But he's a midfielder that plays in France.

Baah, confused him with Thiago Silva. I meant him. Thiago Silva is the best defnder in Italy (and he is not Italian!)

Nevermind me, I have no clue.

 

[elsk]

Super Mario football/soccer WII U will be better than both.

We're talking about next-gen here.

 

[Slizz]

PES studios saying they've been working 3 years already in the next-gen PES, and they are using Fox Engine. Sounds good man.

Spoiler

Can't wait for EA to use Unreal Engine in FIFA as response to that.

I'm open to give PES a shot every year. And every year the demo is a POS.

 

[Arnie]

Actually quite excited to see Juve in the CL next season.

Same, should be glorious.

PES studios saying they've been working 3 years already in the next-gen PES, and they are using Fox Engine. Sounds good man.

Spoiler

Can't wait for EA to use Unreal Engine in FIFA as response to that.

yeessssssssssssss

Just started laughing my tits off at that Redknapp interview on the BBC.

Hope for Spurs fans that this isn't their own Rafa moment. They've had a few brilliant years and they need to make sure it doesn't all fall apart here. If they lose a few players and their new manager can't produce then I could see them slipping.

 

[Mastadon]

Creepy Howard Webb.

 

[dc89]

Bale's agent has said his future at Spurs is now in doubt.

That's a come and get me if I've ever heard one.

 

[bjaelke]

I'm expecting a major exodus next week. Only Ledley to stay.

 

[Wilbur]

Bale's agent has said his future at Spurs is now in doubt.

That's a come and get me if I've ever heard one.

I don't think anyone is willing to spend the £40-50m it would cost

 

[Arnie]

Ballague said Rafa hasn't been approached and that he's heard both Rafa and AVB aren't in the frame. So that leaves Martinez, Moyes and Blanc, realistically.

Ballague also said that Spurs have approached numerous directors of football and that they want a European style of club management. Sounds very FSGish.

I don't think anyone is willing to spend the £40-50m it would cost

Especially now Barcelona seem to have settled on Alba. Bale would've been devastating in their system.

 

[dc89]

I don't think anyone is willing to spend the £40-50m it would cost

I would say City if it was this time last season. But we're not signing anyone this summer it seems

GOAL!

 

[Arnie]

I would say City if it was this time last season. But we're not signing anyone this summer it seems

GOAL!

Boohoo.

 

[Wilbur]

I would say City if it was this time last season. But we're not signing anyone this summer it seems

GOAL!

That's true, you are known for your austerity

Poor judgement by Chiellini

 

[Salvadora]

How anyone can complain about City's transfer activity is beyond me.

 

[dc89]

How anyone can complain about City's transfer activity is beyond me.

I'm not

I am eternally grateful for the world class players we bought.