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Football Thread |OT20| What's that smell?

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Baconsaurus Rex

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The_Hitcher89 said:
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Is that a good deal for someone who barely makes calls and is more interested in the extras you get with a smartphone than the basics you get with any phone?

What happens at the end of a contract? Is the phone yours? When do you get offered the upgrades?

#clueless
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I ordered my Z yesterday for €36.50 a month, no extra costs for the phone itself. 75min and texts a month and 1GB data plan.

I assume you can keep the phone and look for new contracts when you're near the two year mark.
 
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Wilbur

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Baconsaurus Rex said:
I ordered my Z yesterday for €35.50 a month, no extra costs for the phone itself. 75min and texts a month and 1GB data plan.

I assume you can keep the phone and look for new contracts when you're near the two year mark.
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That seems quite expensive for such a small minutes and text count. Although I suppose if you use whatsapp and get the phone free its alright.
 
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Feorax

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I have no idea why he got under my skin so much. I never minded Kermit and Lunchbox doesn't bother me at all, but ChrisWok did.

As trolls go, he was exceptionally good at what he did.
 
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kharma45

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Right Hitcher, the cost of that contract you've posted would be £898 (FUCK) but if you buy the phone outright for £325 (from somewhere I won't link in case someone nabs it) and go on a £10 Giffgaff plan which gives you 250 mins, unlimited texts and 1GB of internet it'd cost you £565.

Sound interesting?
 
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Broder Salsa

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Linius said:
Any deal involving the Xperia Z is a good one. Join Bacon, Sleepless, Lego and me :p

#Xperiazbros
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Oh we're getting the phone wars into this thread?! SAMSUNG SUPERIOR PRODUCTS, just look at Sony, where's the last guardian? Huh?! Yeah, useless company.

#xboxinfinitytowin
 
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Wilbur

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Never got the impression Chriswok was a troll aha, can barely remember him posting about Liverpool. Geordies are born to troll, it's their only chance of happiness :(
 
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Vivalaraza

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ChrisWok was the guy who worked as a coach wasn't he?

He was good.

My favourite Newcastle fan was the one who started random threads about them in the OT.
 
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Baconsaurus Rex

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Wilbury said:
That seems quite expensive for such a small minutes and text count. Although I suppose if you use whatsapp and get the phone free its alright.
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I can't even remember the last time I texted someone and I only make perhaps 5 phonecalls a month. iPhone 5 was in the 50, Galaxy S4 upper 40 and HTC One 38
 
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The_Hitcher89

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kharma45 said:
Right Hitcher, the cost of that contract you've posted would be £898 (FUCK) but if you buy the phone outright for £325 (from somewhere I won't link in case someone nabs it) and go on a £10 Giffgaff plan which gives you 250 mins, unlimited texts and 1GB of internet it'd cost you £565.

Sound interesting?
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That sounds great. I'll order it tomorrow if its not a short running promo :)

Cheers. Where do you do all your price comparisons btw, you're awesome at it :D

@FW, that was it. More like Roland McDonald. Amirite?
 
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Broder Salsa

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Freewheelin' said:
Yeah, Kermit was definitely Roland Garros even though he denies he wasn't :lol
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He admitted to having two accounts on here banned after Kermit, so yeah, probably was. The nice thing is that if he comes back he still can't act like he did before as people would spot him too easily, so we win.
 
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kharma45

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The_Hitcher89 said:
That sounds great. I'll order it tomorrow if its not a short running promo :)

Cheers. Where do you do all your price comparisons btw, you're awesome at it :D
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Now I've tempted you in I'll fill you in on the proper details. The phone comes from a site called smartfonestore and they sell on phones that have been returned because a customer wasn't happy with it and so can't be sold as new, or phones that have been recycled. They have two grade B Xperia Z's left which are both SIM unlocked http://www.smartfonestore.com/buy_Handset_Sony_Unlocked_Xperia Z_Black_B.aspx

Grade B generally are extremely good condition. I've seen 5 grade B's from them and 4 of them looked almost brand spanking new, and the other had a few scratches on the screen. If you get a phone and you're not happy with the condition of it they offer free no quibble returns within 7 days of getting the phone, and it's all done by RM next day delivery.

As for that tariff, here it is http://giffgaff.com/goodybags Giffgaff are an MNVO run by O2 and I can refer you if it interests you?
 
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Kyoufu

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qindarka said:
Never mind, you can aim higher. You guys could conceivably have won the Europa this year if things went your way against Benfica.
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A good go at CoC or FA Cup next season would be nice if we strengthen this summer window. If Swansea and Wigan can win those then I don't see why we can't. Just need a lucky draw.

Vivalaraza said:
I believe Kermit has an existing alt but he has never posted here with it.
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Now that you mention it, I have an idea who it is...
 
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Great post in r/soccer, explaining the potential Falcao move to Monaco. Good read.

You have probably all already seen that Falcao is destined for Monaco. There were a lot of rumors about a potential move to Manchester United, Chelsea, Real Madrid and others - so why does he end up moving to Monaco?

The answer is because of the complicated third-party ownership involved with Falcao. There was a very similar situation with Hulk when he moved to Zenit.

To explain this, we need to take a step back and first see how third party ownership works. Those in England would have previously seen this topic as it reached prominence when Carlos Tevez and Javier Mascherano signed for West Ham United. Here were two stars from Argentina signing for a club in London who were struggling to stay in the top flight. The controversy lead to West Ham paying compensation of £18M to Sheffield United, and lead the FA to ban third party ownership.

But third party ownership is still alive and well on the continent. It is most often applied with South American stars making the jump across the Atlantic to Europe. The way it works is that investment groups will purchase the registration rights of an upcoming player. This is sometimes done while the player is at a club, and sometimes as part of a transfer.

For eg. one scenario would be that a 16 year old star in South America would be approached by an agent and asked if he wants backing with marketing and making it big in Europe. These deals usually involve paying the player a better salary, hooking him up with a better agent, better management, sponsorship deals etc. If and when the player agrees, the third party owners will then go to the club he is registered to and negotiate to buy his registration rights - either all of or part of.

The player is then in the hands of the management and third party ownership group, who manage every aspect of his career from that point on. That usually involves paying him a larger salary on top of his club salary, placing him in clubs where he will get more exposure, etc.

The other way third-party ownership happens is that the investment group finances a transfer for a player. For eg. Porto want to sign a player from Brasil but don't have the funds, they would approach an investment group and have them stake 50-60% of the deal in return for the players registration rights.

The investment group make all of this upfront investment with the hope that at some point in the future the player proves himself, becomes a star, and can then exit at a very large valuation.

Some examples: Tevez and Mascherano were placed into West Ham by their investment group as a way of getting them more exposure. It worked out well in both cases as Liverpool purchased Mascherano (buying out the investment group and giving them a good return) and City eventually ended up buying out Tevez - albeit via Manchester United (who never owned the entirety of his transfer rights).

Back to Falcao. He was purchased by a third-party ownership group as part of his transfer to Porto. They bought 55% (likely more) of his transfer rights, supplemented his salary while he was paying at Porto and then moved him to Atletico for the purpose of getting him more exposure (likely with an eye on moving him eventually to Real Madrid). During the time Falcao was there, the investors were supplementing his wages again (infact paying most of them) and working on negotiating his big move which would see them cash out.

Porto's financials show the following for the Falcao transfer:

sale of 60% of the economic rights of the player Bolatti to the entity Natland Financieringsmaatschappij B.V., on July 2009, by the amount of, approximately, 1,500,000 Euro, (transaction perform under the acquisition process of 40% of the registration of Falcao)

There is another section where it is disclosed that they sold another 5% option in Falcao, and another section where it is disclosed that there is an option for a third party to purchase a further 10%.

The same filing shows that Porto only owned 45% of Hulk.

What is more interesting is who is involved in the Falcao ownership. The group is called Doyen Sports and it was founded by Jorge Mendes (most famous as Ronaldo's agent, but an infamous player agent who is involved in a lot of third-party deals) and Peter Kenyon (former Chelsea chairman).

On their website they have a page for Falcao and you can also see the other players listed. Falcao, like Hulk, ended up in a situation where there was so much invested in him that it would take a lot of money for the investors to see a return (known as being highly leveraged). They were paying his salary for a few seasons, had floated Atleti some money to keep them alive (they got some shirt sponsorship in return) and had made the initial investment when he first transferred.

Falcao ends up moving to Atletico in a 40M move - despite Atleti the previous season stating that they had to clear players out because of their 220M euro tax bill with the Spanish government. What this ended up being is a 20 + 20M deal. 20M never gets paid because its just the third-party owners paying themselves, and of the other 20M only 16M is owed by Atleti, who take an option of paying in two 8M installments (they were late on the first one, to the point of Porto suing). End situation is that around 60% of the rights are with the Doylen group. It also appears that while Falcao was at Atletico that Doylen took an option for a larger stake in him since Atleti were late on their payments. Something weird happen which involved Doylen taking a sponsorship. Either way, they had the majority stake and Atletico had no say or control of the player. For all purposes it was nothing more than a loan with Atletico having a small stake in his registration rights.

The president of Atletico Madrid continuously insisted that they own all the rights to Falcao, but this simply isn't true.

Falcao is on a wage of 10M euro per year, and the return the investors wanted is 60M euro in transfer fee. This narrows down the list of potential clubs that can buy you out to very few. Atletico had no say in where Falcao goes, they had an option in the winter transfer window, but that expired. The owners needed their return and they were going to get it one way or the other.

The list can be narrowed down to PSG, Monaco, Real Madrid, Chelsea and City. City aren't making large investments any longer, PSG have their fix of strikers. Of the remaining three, it is apparent that Real Madrid didn't want to pay up the 60M + 50M in contracts for Falcao (for whatever reason). Apparently Chelsea matched the 60M clause but to pay Falcao the 10M per season in wages would involve a total gross salary of 300k+ per week, which just isn't manageable. Chelsea also have the issue of not being allowed to directly purchase a player from a third-party owner (apparently this is what turned ManU off a move) so it would have required a two-step sale with Falcao going to one club outright and then to Chelsea. Apparently with the David Luiz transfer on the same day he moved to Chelsea Benfica bought out the entirety of his rights from third-party owners (so you can summize that Chelsea gave them the money to buy out that deal so that they could purchase 100% of Luiz directly from Benfica, thus avoiding the third-party rule in England).

With all of these factors you end up with only one target: Monaco. They have the 60M to pay out the investors, they have the funds to pay his wages of 10M per year and better yet they have no income tax so they don't have to supplement the gross.

So in the end Falcao is moved around Europe by his investors with the only goal of making a return for them. He has little to no say in his final destination because of a deal he agreed to years ago while he was still in South America.
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Link to the reddit thread.
 
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operon

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WoodenLung said:
Good luck with that. I say that cause it hasn't existed for years!
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There is always the Milk Cup or the Emirates cup for Newcastle to win
Wilbury said:
Never got the impression Chriswok was a troll aha, can barely remember him posting about Liverpool. Geordies are born to troll, it's their only chance of happiness :(
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His coaching insight was brilliant the trolling was just annoying.

Talking of trolls, now that the season is over and United can't lose a game as a consequence does that mean we won't see doicare around till the next season
 
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Fry

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24 is confirmed to be back.

HOLY MOTHER OF GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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The_Hitcher89

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WoodenLung said:
He admitted to having two accounts on here banned after Kermit, so yeah, probably was. The nice thing is that if he comes back he still can't act like he did before as people would spot him too easily, so we win.
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Fun game though


Bagpuss the Panda said:
I think it might be time for Mancini to go, he's taken us as far as he can. I'm grateful for what he's done, but we have to move on.
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Bungle the Otter said:
CHAMPIONS 2011/12. Fuck off BaconFace you cunt. I hope you die Viva, and that goes for your family too. Come to my shitty little pub, great atmosphere, literally couples of fans. We've earned this success because we've been shit for years. Someone should nuke Old Trafford. Banter, innit
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Big Bird the Cat said:
Mancini has to stay, everyone deserves a second chance and he wasn't given enough controls over last summer's transfers. With everyone else changing manager, we can win the league next year if only we keep stable.
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Spot the Kermit
 
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