FewRope
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They dont count for many people because they are chinese I guess lol
Former Bend Studio Developer, Robert Morrison, says "PlayStation needs to:"
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crackajack
Member
nah, "each" member is way too much. Same as the selection process for focus groups seemingly needs improvement, some team members might be experts at specific things which earns them an inflated ego but total bozos with general design things in games which makes their ego useless. Listen and also promote people that have a good track record and can truly sell their ideas not via flashy and confident presentation but with arguments that scream valid.
ecosse_011172
Banned
Yep, all would be great.
No chase under the shitty leadership they've had for a long time now.
Too many Western clowns with Jim Ryan the absolute worst, not optimistic about Hulst.
I wish they'd value Japan and try and build up Asobi and others to have like a Japan studio, working on interesting AA titles, I'd love them to learn the right lesson from their live service disaster but I suspect they won't.
They'll chase some other nonsense rather than realising what made them what they were.
No chase under the shitty leadership they've had for a long time now.
Too many Western clowns with Jim Ryan the absolute worst, not optimistic about Hulst.
I wish they'd value Japan and try and build up Asobi and others to have like a Japan studio, working on interesting AA titles, I'd love them to learn the right lesson from their live service disaster but I suspect they won't.
They'll chase some other nonsense rather than realising what made them what they were.
ecosse_011172
Banned
This console war talk is ridiculous and embarrassing.
In the real world it's possible to buy any or all platforms without being a "fanboy". However your post is utterly fanboyesque.
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
Here's the reality check:
Sony got slammed by the markets recently despite record revenues because their profit margins were so thin.
GAAS, if successful, is the least destructive way of fixing this because of course the whole notion of such offers is that the initial sunken cost is covered by the launch/first season income, but after that despite outlay falling (they are building onto an existing thing, as opposed to from scratch after all) income/profit continues to be generated by subsequent seasons of operation.
Achieving the same margin boost while retaining the same business model (as in type of product slate) requires cost-cutting on production, and/or price-hikes on the consumer side.
Sony got slammed by the markets recently despite record revenues because their profit margins were so thin.
GAAS, if successful, is the least destructive way of fixing this because of course the whole notion of such offers is that the initial sunken cost is covered by the launch/first season income, but after that despite outlay falling (they are building onto an existing thing, as opposed to from scratch after all) income/profit continues to be generated by subsequent seasons of operation.
Achieving the same margin boost while retaining the same business model (as in type of product slate) requires cost-cutting on production, and/or price-hikes on the consumer side.
Topher
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Felessan
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They are winning due to wise decisions
What they should look at Nintendo, how to be irrelevant outside of children (family) market? Children market is stable and high-margin but it's incomparable in size with young adult+ market.
Sony is by far market leader with most revenue and profit. They successfully grabbed new generation via clever positioning and will ride it for a long time. Oldschooler whine all day long but market shifted and Sony shifted with it.
And guy in OP just whine about his job security. He wants 00' to be back to leisure in the office in a small high paid team.
Generic
Member
The production cost of games doubled from the PS4 to PS5 but the sales are still same.
Hard to make money from an exclusive $200m game without battle passes or microtransactions.
Bernardougf
Member
At least you are honest.. bunch of port beggars and xbox orphans faking wisdom here.
Bumblebeetuna
Member
- focus more on SP stuff or at least less GaaS stuff
- reduce the scope/bloat
- make some fucking games please
That's it, real simple.
- reduce the scope/bloat
- make some fucking games please
That's it, real simple.
HeisenbergFX4
Member
Dude is pretty spot on
Sony is making truckloads of money with Playstation and the Pro is the best place to play console games
That said, Sony is crazy lucky that Xbox is led by a bunch of fucktards that ok things like Redfall and reveals that gave us Craig with one of your main tentpole games.
Sony is making truckloads of money with Playstation and the Pro is the best place to play console games
That said, Sony is crazy lucky that Xbox is led by a bunch of fucktards that ok things like Redfall and reveals that gave us Craig with one of your main tentpole games.
Topher
Identifies as young
I don't buy that. Game prices have risen and PlayStation is making more money than ever. That's despite Concord, disastrous Bungie acquisition and the fact that Sony's games on PC ain't exactly lighting the world on fire.
Baemono
Member
they already did tho, PS4's peak year was like 19.5 million, PS5's peak year was 20.8 million
They need to catch up in Europe, but in the rest of the world they sell at a very good pace, thanks also to the very cheap bundles
Will they reach 117 million ? I want to believe they will, they're not far from 100 million (will be reach by mid-next year probably) and still have several years in front of them
GreatnessRD
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Don't take my hope away from me, Topher. I already shed a tear every time I see my PS4 Pro and understand that's the last way I can enjoy a GT and MLB game. I need Sony to tighten up and bring it to my beloved Steam.
Emedan
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Felessan
Member
Fitting image of delusions
kaizenkko
Member
The elephant in the room that everyone making this kind of comment ignores is that Sony is also doing extremely well. In fact, they're more successful than ever.
Basing your arguments solely on Nintendo as if they were the only ones achieving success is, at the very least, ignorance.
My bad. When I said "peak PS4 sales" I meant overall hardware sales. With Sony's multiplatform approach I think PS4 is the overall peak. Not yearly sales.
kaizenkko
Member
But what's the connection between releasing games on other platforms and the supposed decrease in releases? They literally have a dedicated studio for those ports. And it's not like these ports are extensive projects that take years and years to complete.
The real issue was the massive focus on live service games. They poured a lot of resources into studios from which we'll likely never see any return. Naughty Dog, Bend, and Bluepoint were affected (and certainly many others). Not to mention the award-worthy Concord, Marathon, and Fairgames, which have been/will be just more of a waste of time and money.
CliffBronger
Member
This.
Although i would go as far to say that many of Sony's western devs are increasingly out of touch with reality.
Fake
Member
The example of traditional angry former employee who believes (and post on Twitter) he was fired for no reason and to promote someone with a connection, or the yes men...
So, his proposal is to move away from AAA developments and offer more eAA-quality games but PS exclusive? I don't know when the need to increase revenue and grow beyond SP games that sell 2-3 million entered his list of needs.
PS. I'm not entirely sure that traditional hardcore PS users would want to see Sony take on Nintendo's strategy. In fact, I don't think that strategy would put Sony in a better position than it is currently; quite the opposite.
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Kacho
Gold Member
Yep. Years of dev time tossed into the void. Nothing for customers and nothing for Sony's bottom line.
kaizenkko
Member
What you should be asking is: Is PlayStation making more money than ever because of its first-party games? The answer is pretty clear: no.
Literally half of all of Sony's game revenue comes from microtransactions in live service games:
In the last fiscal year, they saw a steady decline in first-party game sales, but that didn't stop their profits from continuing to grow.
What people need to understand is this: Sony is making more money than ever with PlayStation, but their current business model generates a very small profit margin (which they are gradually increasing), and most importantly, they are extremely dependent on third-party titles. That's why they decided to develop dozens of live service games at once — because they realized that the majority of their revenue and (likely) profits come from intellectual properties owned by third parties, over which they have no control.
That's the biggest difference between Sony and Nintendo.
Topher
Identifies as young
I agree with you that this live service effort has been largely a waste and a huge part of their problem, but I also think PlayStation as a whole should focus on games vs platforms.
Polygonal_Sprite
Gold Member
I expect Sony to return to more story action games but they will not give up on GaaS completely because one hit (not even in the realms of the success of Fortnite) but a simple hit can make more profit than 20 big AAA story action games combined (mostly because of the costs of those sorts of games in modern times $200-$300 million). It's simply smart business to put your eggs in more than one basket.
Nintendo are already lucky in that they already have two games like this if they wished to print money - Mario Kart and Smash.
Nintendo are already lucky in that they already have two games like this if they wished to print money - Mario Kart and Smash.
thebigmanjosh
Member
Yeah, this is not the same as MSFT and their contractor + attrition policies
Kilau
Member
What kind of qualifier is "meaningful"? I suppose if you didn't live through that period games like Gran Turismo, Twisted Metal, Warhawk, Socom, GoW, Sly, Killzone, Ratchet, Jak, Siphon Filter the entire 989 studios line of sports games wouldn't be meaningful.
The funnier thing, is that the biggest franchises birthed on PS3 are all pretty much dead. Uncharted, Resistance, Infamous, LBP, MotorStorm are all dead. Even the darling TLOU has a grand total of 2 games in 12 years.
Maybe don't question my fan status if you don't know what you are talking about.
ecosse_011172
Banned
150 million Switch customers, only children customers.
Also in 2024, Nintendo profit is 50%higher than PlayStation.
You know, the last year of an old platform.
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JimmyRustler
Member
Given how much MS is failing lately they don't have to do anything as they have no competition.
Topher
Identifies as young
What you should be asking is: Is PlayStation making more money than ever because of its first-party games? The answer is pretty clear: no.
Literally half of all of Sony's game revenue comes from microtransactions in live service games:
In the last fiscal year, they saw a steady decline in first-party game sales, but that didn't stop their profits from continuing to grow.
What people need to understand is this: Sony is making more money than ever with PlayStation, but their current business model generates a very small profit margin (which they are gradually increasing), and most importantly, they are extremely dependent on third-party titles. That's why they decided to develop dozens of live service games at once — because they realized that the majority of their revenue and (likely) profits come from intellectual properties owned by third parties, over which they have no control.
That's the biggest difference between Sony and Nintendo.
Biggest difference I see is in the games
Mr.ODST
Member
I used to work at Playstation, they use tons of temporary contracts
kaizenkko
Member
The biggest difference between the two is that Nintendo's business revolves around its first-party games, while Sony's business revolves around third-party games.
The way the two operate is completely different, and the reality of one is unfeasible for the other. That's why anyone who says Sony should simply do what Nintendo does is nothing more than a fool with zero understanding of the market.
fran.fernandez
Member
Outsourcing is too much in many cases , quality control (optimization of assets) just go throw of the window .
Topher
Identifies as young
Sony has had no problem juggling first and third party output for their consoles in the past. Now third party is still thriving while first party is falling short. I'm not saying Sony should adopt Nintendo's business strategy.
HerjansEagleFeeder
Member
"Build a stronger culture of listening to each member of the team, over focus groups"
That's an interesting one, if I understand this right.
That's an interesting one, if I understand this right.
Angry_Megalodon
Member
Anyone who can read a bit in between the lines understands this correctly. It's really a jab at PS management and to external groups with too much influence.
Techno_Inked
Member
Yes to everything the man said, amen!
Buggy Loop
Gold Member
As Sony approaches a $Billion yearly on PC??
That list is Bryank's wet dream, I'm not sure whom it serves other than people's thinking consoles have to be walled gardens. Devs at Sony asked to be outside, always remember that.
That list is Bryank's wet dream, I'm not sure whom it serves other than people's thinking consoles have to be walled gardens. Devs at Sony asked to be outside, always remember that.
