Ar¢tos
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Players don't want Bloodborne, they want more remakes and remasters of TLOU and ugly female characters that look like truckers who had a sex change during a midlife crisis.
Former Bend Studio Developer, Robert Morrison, says "PlayStation needs to:"
- Thread starter Topher
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kaizenkko
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What does that have to do with what I said? My post was meant to explain to you that yes, today Sony's gaming division is making more money than ever — but that revenue isn't coming from their first-party games. So @Generic's comment is coherent.
However, it's not simply a matter of cost that drives them to port games to PC — the goal is to reach an audience that would otherwise never experience their games.
Zacfoldor
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Sony is going to go Intel's route eventually if they keep fucking up.As Sony approaches a $Billion yearly on PC??
That list is Bryank's wet dream, I'm not sure whom it serves other than people's thinking consoles have to be walled gardens. Devs at Sony asked to be outside, always remember that.
When they stop listening to fans and start listening only to investors that is the beginning of the end.
I don't think that will happen. Sony is going to wise up and makes some of these changes.
Your precious PC ports are probably safe though. It isn't necessary to end those to fix Sony but it may be necessary to alter how and when they are rolled out.
daclynk
Member
Oh So Basically What NINTENDO is doing.
thismeinteil
Member
I agree with most of what he said, but not the rewarding the outspoken voices. For one, not everyone with a good idea is an extrovert. Ask everyone's opinions and for everyone to contribute their ideas, regardless of how outspoken they are.
And second, and most importantly, the outspoken bunch have been hurting Western gaming recently. Mainly because they've been harassing those who don't agree with them and injecting their politics into places it doesn't belong. This has led to sales disappointment after sales disappointment.
I get it that yes men are also bad, but just be wary of who those "outspoken" are and what they're trying to push. Is is something to actually make the game better? Or is it just them pushing their biased views into where it doesn't belong?
And second, and most importantly, the outspoken bunch have been hurting Western gaming recently. Mainly because they've been harassing those who don't agree with them and injecting their politics into places it doesn't belong. This has led to sales disappointment after sales disappointment.
I get it that yes men are also bad, but just be wary of who those "outspoken" are and what they're trying to push. Is is something to actually make the game better? Or is it just them pushing their biased views into where it doesn't belong?
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Felessan
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There are a lot of children in the world
You can also add 15 mil of hardcore Nintendo fans (grown up children) to this number
It's Sony who is 50% higher in 2024 after they fixed some of their overspending habbits. You probably looking at FY24 which is 2023
And as Nintendo no longer has profit margin on hardware as we saw in last quarter it's unlikely that positions will change any time soon
Buggy Loop
Gold Member
Only hardcore terminally online fans that make a begging email to Sony to stop going multi platform are seen as the « fans » and are a drop of water in an ocean.
Say games are multi platform, what then? What does that change for the fan? He can still play them on his PlayStation. What's the loss here? Outside that he can't put a piece of plastic on an altar for epeen wars? Sony would rake in so much more cash to make better games as they are getting more and more expensive. All plastic boxes and PC are now nearly identical, a closed OS is only difference. Barely affects how you make a game.
Topher
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Connificent
Al Pachinko, Konami President
That why Bend got bend over
nial
Gold Member
I'm talking to the point of it becoming an actual issue to overcome, particularly at game development.
HerjansEagleFeeder
Member
Seems like you've missed quite a bit of nuance there, you know "between the lines". As English is not my first language, I'll try to do this with some broken and incomplete notes:
- It appears coworkers are not "listening to each other" properly, which indicates several possible issues, to give two examples: a) work environment is toxic, meaning they don't get along b) superiors are tone deaf and so full of themselves they either can't take criticism or are just plain non receptive to thoughts and ideas from staff
- "focus groups" appear to be of more value to certain parts of the company than the input from employees. Seemingly suggests marketing research plays a huge role, while devs feel left out of the creative process
StreetsofBeige
Member
To be fair, I think all of us at some point have acted like spoiled brats who dont want our school buddies playing too much with our new video game or Transformer (Jetfire is awesome).
The difference is 99% of us grew out of that attitude at age 9. But like everything in life, you'll rarely get 100% of people converting to adult life (or even reaching teenager life). So you'll always get a portion of the population still acting like they just got a new GIJOE, doesnt want to share and hopes he's the only guy at school who has it.... but this time the guy is now aged 39 or 49 playing video games.
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HRK69
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Let's not act like saying consoles are more convenient is some kind of confession. It's just the truth, consoles still win hands-down when it comes to ease of useTheres enough PC users here likeTopher for example... who openly admits that PC still is not as easy of use like consoles...advancements are being made and I think the next closed box gen will deliver. But its not there yet.
Calling it an open admission is wild, your agenda couldn't be more obvious
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ozz ex machina
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I'm glad you really like your "insert brand you have attached to your personality" box. But times HAVE changed. Games are more social than ever and the idea of being limited to what hardware you play any game on just doesn't cut it for either consumers or how the market operates these days, even for single player games. They are too expensive to make to limit your product to a subset of your potential audience.
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ecosse_011172
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No idea what this is supposed to mean.
Sony's PlayStation Division Recorded Strong Growth, but the Outlook Remains Cautious
PlayStation continues to generate more revenue and operating income for Sony than any other division, with operating profit up by 43 per cent. However, Sony remains cautious and expects a decline in sales, although new games are expected to boost operating profit.
"Operating profit amounted to Yen 414.8 billion (€2.52 billion),"
Nintendo financial results - May 2025 - Switch at 152.12 million units, more
Nintendo financial results for May 2025 released covering the full fiscal year with the latest on Switch sales and much more.
nintendoeverything.com
– Ordinary profit this period – 372.3 billion yen
So, FY23 had Nintendo profits 50% higher than Playstation, FY24( the last year of Switch with a big drop in sales), Playstation managed 11% more profit.
Switch 2 is breaking all records, PS5 expects a decline in sales, PS5 is at a loss, only the Pro is profitable.
Champ, your case for Sony having nothing to learn from Nintendo is looking weak and it reeks of fanboyism.
Angry_Megalodon
Member
This is exactly what I meant. The tweet is very clear in this regard.
So, instead of QUESTIONING the core premise, we accept the fallacy and operate according to false beliefs. WHY are games too expensive? They aren't any bigger or better than games last gen so there is a problem right there, a problem that nobody seems to care enough to tackle.
Of course, it's very easy to blame intangibles like "the market!" "the budgets" instead of discussing lack of proper management and competency, something the guy in the tweet is calling out.
cireza
Member
It doesn't matter that the game can run better on PC. Do you think Nintendo care about their games running better if they do native ports ? As long as people are fine with how the game runs on the console, it is good enough for Nintendo and it builds on their ecosystem, which is selling a shit ton of hardware and games. This is all a virtuous circle, which Sony and MS have totally exited now.
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Angry_Megalodon
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Your last words are... kind of ironic, to say the least.
Sony cannot replicate Nintendo business model the same way Nintendo couldnt keep up with the tech race. These are polar opposite strategies. The only thing that Sony should learn from Nintendo is protecting their IPs better, something they have been doing till 2020, when things started to fall apart.
Nintendo's strengths are also its weaknesses. They rely EVERYTHING on the legacy of its IPs. The day Pokemon or Mario aren't fan favorites, they are doomed. It's a strategy that demands no mistakes or else they could collapse in one single generation.
ecosse_011172
Gold Member
Nah, I probably have played on PS5 as much or more than Switch, I have all 3 consoles and play them all.
Nintendo rely on making great games consistently that appeal to many different ages, it's been a while since I saw the classic "Nintendo is doomed" meme in action, it's comical. "Pokemon will stop being popular any day now, same as Mario, I know it's been 40 years but any day now, you'll see".
Bernardougf
Member
My agenda ? What is my agenda lol ?
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
It's like I never stepped away from GAF.
Exclusivity is dead. Move on already.
Exclusivity is dead. Move on already.
TheThreadsThatBindUs
Member
If you didn't live through that period then you wouldn't have anything to compare the current situation with and so you wouldn't be so overly negative on the current gen.
Sony routinely goes back to their old franchises, so I wouldn't call any of these dead. Rather they're on hiatus while those devs work on newer IP. If Sony had forced those devs to continue working on those same IP, many like you would still be bitching that Sony is just making sequels to the same tired IP.
I'm not seeing how they can win at this game when the "fans" like you would bitch, moan and whine regardless of what their first party output was.
Felessan
Member
So Nintendo is not more profitable than Sony
We have Q2 results for Nintendo - despite record sales of hardware profit increased by 4% that wholely can be attributed to increase in software sales.
Sw2 doesn't have profit margin of Sw1 (confirmed by Nintendo) so further decline is Sw1 sales will further eat up profits and if launch quarter couldn't move a needle it will be extremely hard to change situation in subsequent quarters
They are in different market, Sony themselves doesn't treat Nin as major competition. Nintendo is children (family) and Sony is young adult+, they have different audience, different approaches, different games/genres and now even approach to gaming. Young adult+ heavily drifting towards social heavy live service games (Fortnite, Genshin etc) and Sony follows trend. Those games are too heavy for children so Nintendo stays old-school. It's not like Nin do better or do things more correctly - it's just different companies concentrates on different markets
It's your will to clash them in the same bin and "advices" as if Nintendo superior does really reeks of fanboism and lack of knowledge.
Bernardougf
Member
Saying things wont make it true .. I have no attachment to any brand and a quick search of my post history will tell you this ... the only agenda I see is people that dont give a fuck about a brand port begging and doing revision history of what is important and what is not ..
And if the times changed thats ok .. as I said .. you can change strategy to be a software seller primarily instead of hardware and a closed ecosystem...
What I will not accept is the bullshit being pushed that exclusives have no importance, never did, and the obvious way was always multiplat, and that this change of strategy will have zero effects on the hardware business or quality of output
Embearded
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Theres enough PC users here like
The rumored next gen closed box from MS is not a PC though. It might have PC hardware in a MS branded box, but if it's a single configuration, all drivers and SW will be tailored for it and you will not have to meddle with it and run to forums for advice on how to solve the hundredth problem that just popped up.
HRK69
Gold Member
You literally made it sound like admitting consoles are convenient was some brave act of honesty
If that's not pushing a narrative, I don't know what is lol
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Bernardougf
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Mate Im not pushing a narrative.. you can check a lot of threads here.. we have multiple PCMR users saying that pc is as easy of use as consoles, as plug and play as consoles.. and its not a few.
You should question them about this opinion.. this is spreading a "narrative"
Bernardougf
Member
Oh Im not even talking about the new Xbox
.. I thinking more ahead like a new Steam machine with a new steam OS.. of course all Im talking is highly speculative... like most things we talk here
HRK69
Gold Member
This was never about whether people think PC is plug and play. It's about you framing a basic fact as an 'open admission,' like someone finally cracked under pressure. That kind of wording isn't neutral, it's loaded. It subtly paints convenience on consoles as something people are reluctant to acknowledge, and you know that. So don't play the 'what agenda?' card when you're clearly setting a tone
nial
Gold Member
Sounds about right for a 5/yo console?
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Bernardougf
Member
LoL.. I somehow struck a nerve in you ... so think what you want mate.. you should chill though..its not good for you this anger
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yogaflame
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But Nintendo exclusivity principle and no pc port has bigger and long term success in the long run.
HRK69
Gold Member
Ah, the 'you mad bro?' defense. Timeless. Still doesn't make your original point any less loaded or your framing any less transparent
Bernardougf
Member
Nah.. you sound super calm and not overreacting at all to a single post made days ago in a 5 page thread lol ... big narrative pusher.. 1 post lol ... get help
ecosse_011172
Gold Member
They weren't in the final Switch year but were the previous years, it's not complicated.
The fact that you think children aren't playing Fortnite is hilarious.
I don't quite get what your point is, it seems to be that you are annoyed that the ex-bend guy criticised Sony for their GaaS Bullshit and that Sony have nothing to learn from Nintendo because Nintendo is for kids whereas Playstation is for big men and anyone who suggests otherwise is a stinky fanboy.
Is that it?
HRK69
Gold Member
Let's be clear: nobody's 'overreacting' to a single post. I responded to how you framed something in a way that clearly wasn't neutral. You used 'openly admits' to describe a basic fact, as if it's something shameful or reluctantly acknowledged. That's subtle narrative framing, whether you want to own it or not.
Now instead of addressing that, you're pretending this is about me being emotional or obsessed, because it's easier to make it personal than to back your wording. Thats weak. Transparent. And a textbook way to avoid accountability for what you actually wrote
And the 'get help' bit? Youre not even trying to argue anymore, you are just tossing lazy insults because you ran out of substance. That might fly if someone really was melting down, but in this case, I've been nothing but clear, direct, and on-point. You're the one spiraling into playground jabs
So yeah, nice try. But if anyone here needs to do a little self reflection, it's probably the guy who got called on something, and now thinks sarcasm counts as damage control
CitizenKratos
Member
This sounds awesome. I hope Playstation see it.
ecosse_011172
Gold Member
Yeah, probably. Point was it was being compared to Switch financially when Switch was even later.
ecosse_011172
Gold Member
I think their buoyant income levels (Playstation) will ensure that their arrogance will continue and they will pay little notice.
supersale88
Member
This x 100.
I am playing Spider-Man 2 rn and it is insufferable how woke it is from time to time. I like the game other than that, but it can be real cringe fest. They need to tone it down or they are going to lose more and more fans.
Kagoshima_Luke
Gold Member
All I can say for sure is PlayStation doesn't feel like the PlayStation I loved in the past, so I'm done with them. Their direction doesn't resonate with me; maybe it does with Gen Z and maybe they will find continued success, though I do feel like Concord was the canary in the coal mine and they are heading for danger.
Kilau
Member
Straw man arguments and goal post moving. It's not your job to worry about Sony and what fans like me might bitch about and I'll continue to do so if I feel like it.
nial
Gold Member
Westerners have a Western-oriented POV, I guess.
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ecosse_011172
Gold Member
To be fair, they did cancel a load after that so did at least react, I'm not so optimistic they'll make the right decisions now but here's hoping they keep going for their GaaS hit without devoting 90% of resources towards it and develop more single-player games, more AA games and more Japanese games.
Sethbacca
Member
daninthemix
Member
Textbook fanboy drivel. Doesnt matter that he's a former anything.
ecosse_011172
Gold Member
What is "insufferable"?
Should we pretend that black people and gay people don't exist?
Why would it bother you?
