They know they're fucked. They have no control anymore.
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Former FBI Director Mueller appointed special counsel for Trump-Russia investigation
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They know they're fucked. They have no control anymore.
Herr Schwarz
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Hannity sounds like the American version of a radical Islamist cleric.
For what it's worth, it's not like being able to fire him directly is any different than firing the DAG until he finds someone who would fire them.
TheContact
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I applied for the DTA. Hope they accept me
PhantomThief
Banned
How is a garbage "news" station like that the most watched in the US? Is the U.S filled with gullible, dense, impressionable dare I say it.. idiots?
Sorry man I just watched some of it live on youtube and it's really disgusting.
I'm listening to conservative am. Radio. It's all yelling and believe me!!!
7DollarHagane
Banned
The similarities beteween professional wrestling and the right wing media reaction to this are more obvious than they maybe should be.
NullPointer
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Democratic news stations are more spread out. Democrats tend to lean younger who don't watch as much TV. The average age I believe of watching Fox News is 70.
Metalingus5150
Member
The answer to your question is yes. Americs IS filled with those kind of people.
TestOfTide
Banned
TICK-TOCK on how Trump team took the news that special counsel had been named to lead FBI's Trump-Russia investigation.
https://twitter.com/JenniferJJacobs/status/865026163214864385
um.... why is Trump CALM? That worries me that after all this shit he is calm. Dude is only calm when shit is going his way.
TICK-TOCK on how Trump team took the news that special counsel had been named to lead FBI's Trump-Russia investigation.
https://twitter.com/JenniferJJacobs/status/865026163214864385
The calm before the tweet storm.
Randolph Freelander
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Yes, basically that.
This really isn't so far off, the rhetoric being used is scary.
Lord Frieza
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You're not getting it. If what you are saying is true, why didn't the GOP lead Congress move to impeach Obama? There was never any real talk from elected officials about doing so, because they know they had nothing on him, and the process of actually impeaching and removing a President isn't something that can just be done like that.
I would even say that if Hillary had won, they wouldn't have moved to impeach her. They would probably talk about it, but it would never happen, because all of the investigations surrounding her was smear job bullshit and would never really stick unless she just had a royal fuck up (and even then, getting 2/3 of the Senate to remove her would be almost impossible).
This is not a normal situation. What we are seeing with Trump now is not normal.
And if he does, then we get a new prosecutor and another evidence of obstruction of justice added to the pile.
TheTylerDurden
Member
You're absolutely right.
This will be enough to turn republicans in the house and senate. Big time. Trumps approval will tank below even what it is now.
Repubs need to consider how wise it is to hitch their wagons to Trump as they head to 2018. Trump's riled up base isn't going to be enough numbers-wise to stop this now. His soft to moderate support will vanish.
Campaign contributors are complaining. Nothing is getting done. They will push for getting Trump out and having him replaced by "whoever" that can push the agenda forward.
Is it like a Ramadan of destruction on your daughter's third trimester?
F0rneus
Tears in the rain
Can't lie...this is true.
god bless the onion
Imperfected
Member
I mean, Hannity's right, there is a "Destroy Trump Alliance".
It's called "people with common decency" and it's more of an informal thing, but that's definitely high on the current agenda, yes.
It's called "people with common decency" and it's more of an informal thing, but that's definitely high on the current agenda, yes.
BlackGhost
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Where'd you find this? out of curiosity
F0rneus
Tears in the rain
You might laugh now, but when you daughter is riding away on a camel with a brown man to drown her baby......Then you'll know why conservatism is the greatest ideology on Earth! God bless! Semper fi.
Well given he spent likely the entirety of the last week shitting bricks and yelling at everything casting a shadow, both at golf on Mother's Day and in the WH on Monday/Tuesday as the walls kept closing in, he probably knew this was coming from Rod(if anything he was probably mostly pissed that any attempts to prevent Rod from approving the special counsel failed in his face). Anger likely deflating into somber defeatism at the news.
Basically, he wasn't surprised, thus no outrage.
Robdraggoo
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.....Just wait....
Randolph Freelander
Member
I think they didn't like the stories yesterday about yelling and disarray. Nothing that has happened has made the situation less dire for them.
F0rneus
Tears in the rain
smokeymicpot
Beat EviLore at pool.
I assume he has no idea what is going on that he is calm.
What is the point of no return for Republicans thinking about long term survival. If they don't want to go down with the ship, when's the cut off date for them going into "rat mode" in order to try to survive this and start denouncing Trump and his cabinet?
Also, what are the odds his kids will distance themselves from him and claim innocence, or even turn on him and testify against?
Also, what are the odds his kids will distance themselves from him and claim innocence, or even turn on him and testify against?
Lord Frieza
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I'm not looking a lot into Trump being calm. It is a bit weird based on the stories from yesterday where he apparently was screaming and howling and cursing. I mean, it could be that he knows something most don't and thinks this is going his way, or it could be that he saw the stories about his behavior the last few days and is keeping quiet knowing how bad it makes him, or it could just be that is really, really fucking tired.
Or they feel good about who the prosecutor is. It's hard to say.
I don't trust anything with the government anymore.
Basically, Trump already pulled his Nixonian firing and that's mostly how we got here (I say "mostly" because this probably wouldn't have happened if he hadn't pissed off Rosenstein), but that's it. He can't fire Rosenstein in order to then fire Meuller and expect things to be peachy.
Randolph Freelander
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When poll numbers in their own districts start tanking. For the reasonably smart (term used loosely, grading on a curve here), at least.
Lord Frieza
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Look up info about the guy. Don't be baited into 'Bush appointee,' actually read about his record and dealing when he was active. I mean, this guy is pretty much legit as it gets, so unless they're holding his family for ransom or something, this is about as impartial as we can hope for.
As for "calm", my reading is, it alludes right in there in the tweet that they think this will allow them to pass off reporter's questions about this ("there is an investigation! Wait for the results!") and just focus on talking about Trump's agenda.
Which, hahahahahaha, no.
Which, hahahahahaha, no.
Lord Frieza
Member
As someone pointed out earlier, apparently this changed in the '90s, and Trump can directly fire Mueller (which is ridiculous, but it's whatever), but the gears of this thing is already turning, and in many ways the damage is already being done. Trump can try going to war with the IC (again) by firing Mueller and appointing a stooge to squash the investigation, but we've already seen the torrent of information that's come since the Comey firing, and we know now that Comey keeps detailed memos of all his conversations, etc, and that Comey is willing to go public if the need arises. Really, it's more a matter of time than anything.
TICK-TOCK on how Trump team took the news that special counsel had been named to lead FBI's Trump-Russia investigation.
https://twitter.com/JenniferJJacobs/status/865026163214864385
Seems contradicted by this:
https://twitter.com/joncoopertweets...d=3797481&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=3388
BoogieWoogie
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For those worrying about Trump being calm, nah, he's just a fucking idiot:
https://twitter.com/Acosta/status/865033152661782528
https://twitter.com/Acosta/status/865033152661782528
See I don't buy the explanation that he saw the stories about his behavior and knows how bad it makes him cause trump so far has shown no self awareness of how bad his behavior makes him look. The one time his handlers got him to apologize and try to stay calm and look serious you could almost see the distaste in his face at having to do so (I'm betting he disagreed but they finally got him to just do it).
The tired thing, maybe. But doesn't he usually operate on little sleep?
I also wonder if the calm means he doesn't think this is anything to worry about (whether he is innocent or he doesn't think this will come to anything. Though if he was calm cause he was innocent and he thought this would show it, why did he seem he was fighting being investigated at all? If he thought an honest investigation would exonerate him why not welcome it to shut up the detractors).
Lord Frieza
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I don't say this just because I hope this is the case, but this really does seem more in line with the stories that we heard over the last few days more than the other. The fact that they apparently pulled people from coming on shows like Carlson and Baier leads credence to it as well
Incredible. They just think it's all going to stop? That the press is going to go back to scraps like shitty-ass Trumpcare when the entire government apparatus is eating the administration like a fucking aperitif? No.
Maybe the ones in the room with functioning brains might feel like there's nothing else to do. If Robert Mueller has this much latitude to run a wide-ranging investigation, can subpoena, can hold depositions, and can announce charges, I mean. What're they gonna dodge now?
Right. I mean, the point stands whether Trump needs the DOJ or not. Firing Comey was his Nixon move. He played that card and it wasn't ignored. He can't do it again and expect a better result.
What's this about him being calm though?
Basically what I guessed, which is incredibly naive of them to think. But these are the people who thought the Comey firing would celebrated by all sides, so...
Lord Frieza
Member
When I said tired, I didn't mean in the sense of being sleepy, I meant more of just being worn out after days upon days of bombshell announcements.
I was mostly just brainstorming more than anything.
GoldenEye 007
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Yes yes, let's let us focus on the trash CBO score that's about to come out next week on the signature GOP health care plan.
Arrogant Bastard
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I fucking love how quick the talking point got switched for Republicans. They are full on board the investigation, lets get to the bottom of it and move on.
Prior to this it was basically fake news.
Scum.
Prior to this it was basically fake news.
Scum.
Lord Frieza
Member
An insider apparently posted that when Trump got the news of the special prosecutor, he was actually calm and quiet, and some people think that's a bad sign possibly. But it seems there's other reports contradicting that, saying the WH is in the same chaos it has been in since Monday with much freakouts.