"Look, I went along with this because obviously I'm innocent. But then I realized it's also a waste of time. So I got rid of him. I got rid of Miller or whatever his name is. Really good guy who I respect. But let's be honest. He was doing a lousy job so far, frankly, to tell you the truth. So I'm like 'Look, I won 309 electoral votes. They said it couldn't be done. But I did it. First time in history too. What more proof do you need?'. So I tell my chief of security, Jimmy, to tell him he's out. So I'm hoping we can move beyond this obviously partisan witch hunt that the crooked democrats keep continuing cause they're sore about losing the election, which, if I may say, I did quite tremendous in."
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Former FBI Director Mueller appointed special counsel for Trump-Russia investigation
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"Look, I went along with this because obviously I'm innocent. But then I realized it's also a waste of time. So I got rid of him. I got rid of Miller or whatever his name is. Really good guy who I respect. But let's be honest. He was doing a lousy job so far, frankly, to tell you the truth. So I'm like 'Look, I won 309 electoral votes. They said it couldn't be done. But I did it. First time in history too. What more proof do you need?'. So I tell my chief of security, Jimmy, to tell him he's out. So I'm hoping we can move beyond this obviously partisan witch hunt that the crooked democrats keep continuing cause they're sore about losing the election, which, if I may say, I did quite tremendous in."
Has the right questioned Meuller's credentials yet?
TheTylerDurden
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Incorrect.
They seem to be praising him so far actually.
Shown to be a joke post awhile ago.
Herr Schwarz
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i would add them to wall of quotes in my response post, but dang too many!
How About No
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lmao Herr is yanking your chain
streetsahead123
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Enlighten me
it doesnt pay to be a troll in these times. Shit is serious and this stupid lawls bullshit isnt helping anything.
It means we have an investigation with special counsel who has a stellar track record and is not influenced by politics
Can't he and the Republicans simply manufacture something to get him out of the way? Or get a sudden Hail Mary from Russia that provides "proof" of criminal acts in Mueller's past that gives them the excuse they need to shut him down?
I'm assuming at this point that no matter how bad it looks, if Trump can shut down Mueller, he'll do it. He didn't care about consequences when he removed Comey, he just wanted to get rid of a threat. The same will hold here.
Intheflorsh
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Well what are these new rules? The Maddow interview isn't online yet and pretty much every other source I've seen says that Trump can only indirectly fire Mueller.
Herr Schwarz
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I think it is a good time to be enjoying humor, it's a victory for democracy afterall. Plus you guys fuckin love it.
Both, but Dems in particular.
Rosenstein can be removed (i.e. for declining an order to fire Mueller), but he can't be immediately replaced. DAG is Senate-confirmable.
The decision would just start to flow down the DOJ's line of succession. Next would be the Associate Attorney General, should she be confirmed any time soon.
Chmpocalypse
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Yeah, I'm late, my bad.
TheTylerDurden
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In the 90's the rules for special counsel/prosecutors changed. The rules and history of the 'Saturday Night Massacre' do not apply.
Maddow interviewed one of the co-authors of these rules. He told Maddow directly, point blank, that YES the president can fire Mueller. He didn't put any kind of qualifier on it. He was very straightforward about it.
At this point I think Trump is going full Anakin Skywalker and saying "you underestimate my power" unaware that Obi-Wan KenobIC is about to completely bitchslap him
TheTylerDurden
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People are streaming her show on YT. It will start again at the top of the hour. The interview came in the latter part of the show.
streetsahead123
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Ah, gotcha
alright i was about to be pissed off by the new quote chain but then you elaborated so i guess it is ok. im drunk though
Mr. Blonde
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The right wont stand for trump firing mueller, so you dont have to worry about that happening.
BoogieWoogie
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Hahaha oh wait are you serious?
I'm sure firing Mueller would get a big old grimace from McCain if that counts.
super-heated plasma
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Hold up. On CNN they JUST said that Trump CAN'T fire Mueller directly. Only rosenstein. So what is it??
TheCochese
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Believe it or not, there is an abandon ship red line and I'd guess that would be it.
plagiarize
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Hey now, why did you drop my best insults when you quoted me?
Afraid of being upstaged?
It'd be disturbing and troubling, but it'd be within his right.
TheTylerDurden
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MADDOW INTERVIEW HERE WHERE 'CAN PRES FIRE MUELLER' IS ADDRESSED.
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show
First interview down with guest Neal Katyal.
It's about five minutes, he says it right at the end. Rachel seems stunned.
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show
First interview down with guest Neal Katyal.
It's about five minutes, he says it right at the end. Rachel seems stunned.
Spoiled Milk
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Rosenstein can. Trump cannot.
TheCochese
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I'd like to see it sourced in US Code.
super-heated plasma
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But lawyer on CNN contradicts this. Hmmm
Intheflorsh
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Here's what the actual text of the current (post 1999) law says:
https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/28/600.7
Seems pretty cut and dry, but I'm no lawyer. I'll watch the Maddow interview.
CrocMother
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Trump supporters believe right and wrong is a partisan issue.
There's no bomb shell big enough to sway them.
There's no bomb shell big enough to sway them.
The Kremlin has started up a propaganda smear campaign via Wikileaks to discredit him. That's about all I've seen so far. Mueller has universal bipartisan respect heading into today's appointment and a lifetime record of putting ethics and the pursuit of justice above any personal or political agenda, to a staggeringly impressive degree really, so attempting to attack his credentials would only serve to draw suspicion toward the finger being pointed.
There is no code for it since 1999.
Spoiled Milk
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You're thinking of the Congressional version. The Justice Department has its own.
TheCochese
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Guy on MSNBC just now saying this as well.
I don't know what someone said on Maddow but the code of Federal regulations is crystal clear on it
The Special Counsel may be disciplined or removed from office only by the personal action of the Attorney General. The Attorney General may remove a Special Counsel for misconduct, dereliction of duty, incapacity, conflict of interest, or for other good cause, including violation of Departmental policies. The Attorney General shall inform the Special Counsel in writing of the specific reason for his or her removal
https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/retrie...p;h=L&mc=true&r=PART&n=pt28.2.600
Rosensteins order even says this clause is applicable
AlexFlame116
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So Mueller really is legit then! Also WikiLeaks is smearing him? Wasn't WikiLeaks in trouble with Trump or is that another organization?
ryutaro's mama
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Bingo.
GOP ain't doing shit. Don't worry though--history (written by the textbook makers in Texas) will be kind to them.
RustyNails
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But what if the AG is under a recusal from the current investigation. Man, John Adams and the boys sure did not think this one through.
Operations
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Lol, they didn't account for the entire Executive apparatus being corrupted beyond repair.
Right, but it's not federal law. It's not clear exactly how much sway it'll actually have when push comes to shove.