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[DrM]

Perfect racing series for Alonso then.

Plus he would have Honda engine behind his back

I can see Manor getting Rossi in a seat if Haryanto gets booted out, he is still a reserve driver for MRT for current season.

Or if #trulyblessed breaks his leg during some wild party somewhere and Wehrlein replaces him..

 

[Mastah]

He'll get hefty victory cheque, right? Maybe when Haryanto runs out of money and Indycar season ends, he'll have another shot at Manor to restart his F1 career? Of course if he wants to.

 

[Hasney]

Did not know that, obviously that changes the perspective. I don't think they mentioned that on C4's coverage, or if they did I completely missed it.

Not that I care if its either Hamilton or Rosberg to win, I just want good racing these days.

Yeah, his brakes were screwed. Hamilton only got past because he let him through, then Rosberg also got hurt by double stacking briefly in the pits.

 

[h3ro]

Just got back to my hotel in Nice from Monaco... WHAT AN EXPERIENCE!!!

We had amazing seats and could see everything but the Casino square/Loews complex after the hill and Rascasse/pit entry.

Our whole section was pulling HARD for Lewis all weekend, what a blast and amazing experience. Walked the track after quali and ran into Pascal who couldn't be a more charming kid! He was almost shocked that I recognized him and that I wanted to have a photo with him. All his handlers at Manor were really cool about it even though I'm sure he must have had important meetings to attend to. Also managed to pick up some tire marbles along P1!

Also, the Honda sounds like Chewbacca gargling screwdrivers. You can hear the bloody thing in every corner.

 

[yami4ct]

Great race for Rossi. Good for him. Hopefully someone gives him a real drive fairly soon.

You'd have to imagine he'd have a decent shot at Haas if they didn't have to hold Gutierrez for Ferrari.

 

[Zaru]

he'll have another shot at Manor to restart his F1 career?

There is no "Manor and F1 career".
Look back as far as 2010 when it was still called Virgin racing. None of the drivers are still in F1 or made it past the backmarker teams.
The only exception would have been Bianchi, who got their only points in the team's history, and he's not with us anymore.

 

[frontieruk]

Big kudos to Rossi, I watched only last few laps.



Perfect racing series for Alonso then.

He'd have more chance of winning a race in an Indy car..

 

[thefro]

He'll get hefty victory cheque, right? Maybe when Haryanto runs out of money and Indycar season ends, he'll have another shot at Manor to restart his F1 career? Of course if he wants to.

We're speculating on the IndyCar side that NAPA (biggest autoparts store in the US who sponsored him for this race) will probably step up and sponsor him full-time. The check for the Indy 500 win is 3 million+ usually.

I expect he'll stick around IndyCar until a Haas seat opens up or another seat opens where he can actually score points in F1.

 

[Zeknurn]

Haas should drop Guiterrez and put Rossi in that seat.

 

[frontieruk]

Yeah, his brakes were screwed. Hamilton only got past because he let him through, then Rosberg also got hurt by double stacking briefly in the pits.

Did you not hear Toto? Hammy had brake issues too, it was so close to not having a Merc on the podium.

 

[yami4ct]

Haas should drop Guiterrez and put Rossi in that seat.

Gutierrez is there because of Haas relationship with Ferrari. He has to be. They aren't going to drop him without Ferrari giving them the go ahead.

 

[Staab]

Moreover, despite the fact that conditions today were tricky in the extreme, causing the race to be peppered by accidents on the treacherous wet-dry asphalt, both Fernando and Jenson showed their great expertise and experience, stroking their way to the finish over two flawless hours while all around them drivers of less sheer class were scraping their way along the Armco at almost every turn.

Goddamn Boullier PR, I swear :lol

 

[DrM]

Gutierrez is there because of Haas relationship with Ferrari. He has to be. They aren't going to drop him without Ferrari giving them the go ahead.

This is similar to Wehrlein in MRT. But he is also a reserve driver for Mercedes...

Goddamn Boullier PR, I swear :lol

He should write raunchy fantasy novellas.

 

[Mastah]

There is no "Manor and F1 career".
Look back as far as 2010 when it was still called Virgin racing. None of the drivers are still in F1 or made it past the backmarker teams.
The only exception would have been Bianchi, who got their only points in the team's history, and he's not with us anymore.

I had "few races in Manor as a springboard to Haas" on my mind

We're speculating on the IndyCar side that NAPA (biggest autoparts store in the US who sponsored him for this race) will probably step up and sponsor him full-time. The check for the Indy 500 win is 3 million+ usually.

I expect he'll stick around IndyCar until a Haas seat opens up or another seat opens where he can actually score points in F1.

Would be good either way, Chaves deserves his seat as much as Haryanto his in Manor.

 

[aspiegamer]

Haas should drop Guiterrez and put Rossi in that seat.

Ferrari might be semi-officially holding him there for now, but if he has a mediocre year they might give up on him after several seasons of not getting anywhere.

Manor just doesn't feel like it gets him anywhere, especially after instantly making a name for himself in Indy. As the only American driver with anything close to a reasonable shot at an F1 seat right now he'd be perfect for Haas. Haas is a businessman, too, and he has to know how much press and attention he'd get from having an American driver.

 

[yami4ct]

Ferrari might be semi-officially holding him there for now, but if he has a mediocre year they might give up on him after several seasons of not getting anywhere.

Manor just doesn't feel like it gets him anywhere, especially after instantly making a name for himself in Indy. As the only American driver with anything close to a reasonable shot at an F1 seat right now he'd be perfect for Haas. Haas is a businessman, too, and he has to know how much press and attention he'd get from having an American driver.

The only reason he should waste time at Manor is if he gets an agreement for a drive on a real team next year before hand and he uses it as practice time. Otherwise, he should probably stick to Indy until a real seat opens. He's shown his quality already. A Manor drive isn't going to convince anyone.

Manor will continue to be irrelevant unless someone like Mercedes starts treating them like a farm squad.

 

[Dutch Gronk]

They are bringing new parts to Canada, so they will probably go down the grid even more

It's just embarrassing.

 

[Zaru]

Manor will continue to be irrelevant unless someone like Mercedes starts treating them like a farm squad.

I thought that was kind of what is happening with their current year Merc engine and Wehrlein in there.

 

[yami4ct]

I thought that was kind of what is happening with their current year Merc engine and Wehrlein in there.

I thought so too, but it doesn't seem like they're getting the support they need to even be remotely competitive still. Maybe we're just seeing a transitional period.

A Ferrari-Haas super connected relationship is probably what they really need right now, but I'm not sure if Mercedes wants to share that much of their tech with a junior squad.

 

[xrnzaaas]

Finally watched the race.

Am I having a false dejavu moment or did Raikkonen make a similar noob mistake in the past? Anyway he didn't top what the Sauber guys did. There's pretty much nothing positive to be said about that team right now... shitty drivers, shitty car, shitty financial situation. :/

[*]I didn't like Bieber getting special access right by the podium post-race - it irked me, he had no right being there for the champagne spraying.

I was actually relieved that he wasn't the one interviewing the drivers. That would've been truly awful.

 

[DD]

I fail to see what Nasr did wrong.

 

[yami4ct]

I fail to see what Nasr did wrong.

IIRC, he was going a bit slow for Ericsson, but that Ericsson was the one being the real dummy.

 

[xrnzaaas]

I fail to see what Nasr did wrong.

Refused to listen to team orders and switch places.

 

[DD]

IIRC, he was going a bit slow for Ericsson, but that Ericsson was the one being the real dummy.

I don't know what reason Sauber had for ordering a change of positions. They were 15th and 16th, ffs! According to Nasr, he was suffering with cold tires due to a fresher set and blue flags (the track was still moist), but was getting on the pace. He was close to the cars in front already. Ericsson took full responsability for the crash, and got a three place penalty for the next race. It seems that he was frustrated because Nasr refused to give him his position, but acording to Nasr, Ericsson did the same thing for two times last year. So... ¯\_(&#12484_/¯

 

[NHale]

I don't know what reason Sauber had for ordering a change of positions. They were 15th and 16th, ffs! According to Nasr, he was suffering with cold tires due to a fresher set and blue flags (the track was still moist), but was getting on the pace. He was close to the cars in front already. Ericsson took full responsability for the crash, and got a three place penalty for the next race. It seems that he was frustrated because Nasr refused to give him his position, but acording to Nasr, Ericsson did the same thing for two times last year. So... ¯\_(&#12484_/¯

When your boss gives you a direct order (no matter how stupid it is), what do you do?

 

[Aiii]

When your boss gives you a direct order (no matter how stupid it is), what do you do?

Ignore it. Get him to admit the order was wrong to give in the first place. Create a conflict within your team along with your equally ambitious teammate, force a promotion, win the first race in your new team and then crash out of nearly every session in the subsequent race?

 

[DD]

When your boss gives you a direct order (no matter how stupid it is), what do you do?

First I think about the context.

 

[Hasney]

When your boss gives you a direct order (no matter how stupid it is), what do you do?

I question orders all the time. No point blindly doing something you don't agree with.

Ignore it. Get him to admit the order was wrong to give in the first place. Create a conflict within your team along with your equally ambitious teammate, force a promotion, win the first race in your new team and then crash out of nearly every session in the subsequent race?

Now that's just gold.

 

[JadedWriter]

I'm rewatching this race and why are people saying Hamilton didn't deserve this? I get it Hamilton raced his ass hard, but you know what Danny Ricky was still able to hound his ass for the rest of the race. Those two duked it out for like 80% of the race, this was one of the better Monaco races for quite some time. Whomever won this one deserved it. Not to mention Hamilton made the ballsiest batshit insane strategy work.

 

[Fox Mulder]

So it's a good race to watch? I got spoiled and then got bummed for Ricky and another merc win.

Will still watch if it's worth it though.

 

[JadedWriter]

So it's a good race to watch? I got spoiled and then got bummed for Ricky and another merc win.

Will still watch if it's worth it though.

I enjoyed it. The top 5 outside of Ricciardo getting fucked deserved their positions.

 

[spuckthew]

So it's a good race to watch? I got spoiled and then got bummed for Ricky and another merc win.

Will still watch if it's worth it though.

By Monaco standards it was an excellent race. It is Monaco, though, so not a great deal of overtaking occurred, but it had plenty of drama and was fairly tense. Ham and Ric battled closely, within 2 seconds (often less) for most of the race and both deserved the win as much as the other.

 

[hamchan]

Of course Hamilton deserved the win. He was the one in the best position to take advantage of Red Bull's mess up.

 

[Ark]

Semi-related:
We're 6 races in and they still haven't had a proper race against each other. I do consider Lewis faster but this lack of fair, direct confrontation between the two is starting to get on my nerves as a F1 fan. Luckily the races have otherwise been mostly exciting so far.

If Rosberg could ever hold a candle to Hamilton, we'd have already seen that in the previous two seasons.

 

[gutterboy44]

Watched the replay again. I just don't see how Hamilton straight lining the chicane wasnt gaining an advantage. That is a position change all day everyday, especially at Monaco. The gods and stewards were on the blessed ones side today. I think at any other track they would have had Hamilton yield the spot but they knew that would likely mean the stewards chose the winner. So I guess I respect that aspect. Like in big football matches where refs keep their cards in their pockets for way longer to avoid being the deciding factor jn the match. Just happy to have a good race more than aanything, cause Monaco can be a real snoozer sometimes. Def have to give props to Hamilton for the wet tire strat . I was really hoping he was going to be first to grab dries. Also, lol Kimi and Max. I love Kimi but he is a waste of a Ferrari seat at this point.

 

[JadedWriter]

Watched the replay again. I just don't see how Hamilton straight lining the chicane wasnt gaining an advantage. That is a position change all day everyday, especially at Monaco. The gods and stewards were on the blessed ones side today. I think at any other track they would have had Hamilton yield the spot but they knew that would likely mean the stewards chose the winner. So I guess I respect that aspect. Like in big football matches where refs keep their cards in their pockets for way longer to avoid being the deciding factor jn the match. Just happy to have a good race more than aanything, cause Monaco can be a real snoozer sometimes. Def have to give props to Hamilton for the wet tire strat . I was really hoping he was going to be first to grab dries. Also, lol Kimi and Max. I love Kimi but he is a waste of a Ferrari seat at this point.

Probably cause he didn't full throttle right through it. If you want a proper straight lining through a chicane and gaining an advantage then go back to Canada 2014 with Rosberg. I think he gained like .8 doing that.

 

[Igo]

Watched the replay again. I just don't see how Hamilton straight lining the chicane wasnt gaining an advantage. That is a position change all day everyday, especially at Monaco. The gods and stewards were on the blessed ones side today. I think at any other track they would have had Hamilton yield the spot but they knew that would likely mean the stewards chose the winner. So I guess I respect that aspect. Like in big football matches where refs keep their cards in their pockets for way longer to avoid being the deciding factor jn the match. Just happy to have a good race more than aanything, cause Monaco can be a real snoozer sometimes. Def have to give props to Hamilton for the wet tire strat . I was really hoping he was going to be first to grab dries. Also, lol Kimi and Max. I love Kimi but he is a waste of a Ferrari seat at this point.

Because he lost all his momentum rejoining the track. I'm 100% positive without checking that his sector time for that lap that it's slower than both the preceding and following laps. Unless you think that Lewis going too deep and getting his braking wrong prevented a Ricciardo overtake? That can happen but wasn't the case here.

 

[dubc35]

Congrats to Rossi!! I consider myself a fan of McLaren and want them to do well but I was hoping for Alonso to retire in last years USGP so RSI would be in the points. The 100th Indy 500 win will easily top that!

 

[DrM]

I thought so too, but it doesn't seem like they're getting the support they need to even be remotely competitive still. Maybe we're just seeing a transitional period.

A Ferrari-Haas super connected relationship is probably what they really need right now, but I'm not sure if Mercedes wants to share that much of their tech with a junior squad.

That Ferrari-Haas windtunnel exploit closed that possibility. And I think that they do not have such close connection anymore with both teams failing to get a new stuff working on their cars.

As for Manor, we will see what will they do in the future.They are the smallest team of all. AFAIK the only help they have from Mercedes is in the form of engine and they can use windtunnel and second simulator at Brackley - this does not mean a lot if you do not have a good band of engineers behind... And another problem - Mercedes secured Wehrlein as simulator driver, so he is literally doing two jobs.

 

[Razgreez]

Because he lost all his momentum rejoining the track. I'm 100% positive without checking that his sector time for that lap that it's slower than both the preceding and following laps. Unless you think that Lewis going too deep and getting his braking wrong prevented a Ricciardo overtake? That can happen but wasn't the case here.

It's also the precedent that the leading driver has never been forced to give away their position after having cut a chicane at which they may have lost said position. The benefit of the doubt has always gone against the chaser. We've seen this happen at so many races by now that it should be common knowledge and not seen as 'some sort of conspiracy'.

And like you stated the lap time is ultimately almost always slower so the stewards can't enforce a penalty based on any certifiable advantage.

 

[Moozo]

Watched the replay again. I just don't see how Hamilton straight lining the chicane wasnt gaining an advantage. That is a position change all day everyday, especially at Monaco. The gods and stewards were on the blessed ones side today. I think at any other track they would have had Hamilton yield the spot but they knew that would likely mean the stewards chose the winner.

This literally never happens in F1 at the moment.

 

[spuckthew]

I never remember any instance of a driver in front having to yield if no overtake actually occurred. I guess one could argue that Hamilton failed to be overtaken (maybe), but Ricciardo wasn't in overtaking position before the chicane anyway...it was only when Hamilton slowed done momentarily that Ricciardo started to pounce. Hamilton knew he got out of shape, slowed down a little, then shut the door as Ricciardo crept up.

In contrast, a driver who completes an overtake by cutting a corner will most definitely have to give back the place. In yesterday's scenario, there was no place to give back.

 

[Zaru]

In contrast, a driver who completes an overtake by cutting a corner will most definitely have to give back the place. In yesterday's scenario, there was no place to give back.

There was indeed no reason to give the place back since it wasn't Riccy's place yet.

The thing is, he pulled the same thing as Rosberg did last race - make a mistake, slow down, shut the gap towards the driver coming past you from behind. Not something I'd give any real penalty for (they didn't do it last race and they didn't do it this race)
But... considering how that ended for Lewis and the other car in Spain, it'd be hard to call this less than dangerously selfish at best. Which is obviously what you need to win sometimes, but it won't make me look at Lewis in a better light. (And I was rooting for him to put up a good fight after all that bad luck so far)

 

[PdotMichael]

I wish instead of doing the silly "did he gain an adventage" thing I wish every cuting a chicane ends in somekind of speed limit for a handful seconds on the next straight line.

 

[brotkasten]

I wish instead of doing the silly "did he gain an adventage" thing I wish every cuting a chicane ends in somekind of speed limit for a handful seconds on the next straight line.

That sounds like an auto-penalty from a video game. It would also penalize drivers who avoid an accident by cutting a chicane.

 

[Aiii]

That sounds like an auto-penalty from a video game. It would also penalize drivers who avoid an accident by cutting a chicane.

And it would cause a guy like Ricciardo to just drive straight into a suddenly slowing car.

 

[PdotMichael]

That sounds like an auto-penalty from a video game. It would also penalize drivers who avoid an accident by cutting a chicane.

When was the last time that happened to avoid a crash and not that something miscalculated something badly?

 

[Lach]

When was the last time that happened to avoid a crash and not that something miscalculated something badly?

Happens all the time (e.g. start @ monza)

 

[Aiii]

When was the last time that happened to avoid a crash and not that something miscalculated something badly?

Go watch Palmer's crash from yesterday.

 

[Business]

When was the last time that happened to avoid a crash and not that something miscalculated something badly?

Last I remember the start of the Russian GP after Kvyat hit Vettel.

I do think Hamilton gained an unfair advantage there though. He went long because of his defensive line on the braking zone, jumped the chicane and mantained his position, I don't care if he lost time because so did Ricciardo, the advantage is not time, it's position.