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nature boy
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Literally no one seems to know what the radio ban punishments are.
Mercs just said fuck it and tested it.
Merc wants to be ahead in every way.
djplaeskool
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LudicrousSpeed
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NBCSN sometimes runs a replay of the race later on in the day. For example, NBCSN has a replay of this race starting in 2 and a half hours.
Only in F1 could there be rules with no set consequences
I assume you have a TV package with NBC Sports Network if you're watching F1. In that case, NBSN re-airs the race later in the day and it will be available through their site and app for VOD for about a week or so after. I'm not sure exactly when the expiration is.
In this sport people don't know the rules, claim they didn't know, or know them and try to circumvent them as best as possible (aka cheating within the rules)
THE:MILKMAN
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Even the rules are a prototype.
You seem to be banging on this point but do you have any actual proof he was a leave voter or are you just trying to a ham-fisted association for the crowd?
Radio rules
They could have a reasonable argument under number 4. Although then telling him to skip past 7th gear and confirming that message is probably outside that criteria.
djplaeskool
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Sounds like they might try to claim statement types 2 or 4
Thank you. It will be the third race I ever watch, this sport is starting to grow on me even thou I don't fully understand a lot of the rules and details.
#2 too
GrizzleBoy
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Toto kind of sounding both defiant and defeated at the same time on sky regarding driver coaching investigation.
That would only cover 'Nico you have a gearbox failure', not the instructions to clear and drive past it, it's going to be a slap on the wrist for Merc and a 'clarification' of rules and penalties.
I understand #2 to mean they can tell the driver there's something wrong with car but not how to fix it. See Perez' brake issues last race.
#4 is about sensors, actuators and controllers, not sure if that applies to the gearbox issue today.
LudicrousSpeed
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If you notice, #4 includes that whatever they're doing cannot improve the performance of the car, which it quite clearly seemed to do.
If the stewards decided that telling Perez "your brakes are going" is a violation of the radio ban, I don't see any way what Mercedes has done isn't also a violation. The question then is how severe the penalty is.
If the stewards decided that telling Perez "your brakes are going" is a violation of the radio ban, I don't see any way what Mercedes has done isn't also a violation. The question then is how severe the penalty is.
GrizzleBoy
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YEP!
Nico will get 1.338s added to his time for sure!!!
Vestappen finished 1.339s behind Nico.
Can almost guarantee a 1.1s penalty.
Damn.
wait, doesn't it say it can not improve the car compared to prior to the failure?
That's how I read it.
olore
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Yes, he took the checkered flag more or less because of the radio messages. As far as I can tell from my sofa here in Scandinavia mind... But still. Rosberg said there was a good risk of him stopping on the track unless he was informed of the issue with his gearbox. There is a problem right there
He's apparently leagues better than the kid who just beat him fair and square for 2 races in a row... lol
Must have been sea water on track today, getting quite salty up in here.
Peter Ian Staker
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... and supposedly they are about to make them more harsh.
Classic FIA logic:
Is the rule stupid? --> Do it.
People are pissed at your stupid rule? --> Don't give a shit and double down.
Always been like that since the mid-80s.
To be fair, the driver coaching from 2 seasons prior was even worse.
PdotMichael
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How did it hurt the racing?
Went looking for an upvote button for this!
Time penalties can be 5, 10, 20 or 30 seconds.
Exactly.
If they can't tell Perez "Go easy on the brakes or you might have a potentially life threatening crash" then they sure as fuck can't tell Nico "Reset your gearbox and avoid 7th gear so you don't lose much time".
This should be a slam dunk penalty.
Exactly.
If they can't tell Perez "Go easy on the brakes or you might have a potentially life threatening crash" then they sure as fuck can't tell Nico "Reset your gearbox and avoid 7th gear so you don't lose much time".
This should be a slam dunk penalty.
ZanzibarBreeze
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I never had problems with the "coaching" aspect of the radio calls from a few years back. You can't really coach a driver through wheel-to-wheel racing and it was much more interesting hearing a constant stream of radio banter on the broadcast. But it's all about finding a balance between the two extremes I suppose.
They could have replaced the drivers for AI and you wouldn't have noticed it. Of course I am exaggerating, but driver thinking on how to cope with certain issues or how to attack/defend was almost non-existant.
nature boy
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Can't believe there were no penalties for all the unsafe releases after the safety car.
GrizzleBoy
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"Use diff setting 1, brake bias two clicks forward into turn 1" is faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar too much coaching, Ridiculous even.
I do miss the radio calls though.
And this isn't NASCAR. Modern F1 cars are some of the most complex machines in racing.
It's unreasonable to expect the drivers to know what the right settings to have for the differential, slip, brake balance, fuel map, ERS recovery, SOC and whatever all the way through a 90 minute race.
Were any actually unsafe? Can't recall anyone having to swerve or hit the brakes, didn't hear any grumbles on the team radios about it. They may have been very close but that doesn't imply unsafe.
He's fine. He's been getting fourth all season and he's continuing to do so.
If you mean worried that he'll be Webbered in future seasons because that's what cutthroat Red Bull like to do, then yeah, that's a worry.
This I find it very difficult to see how they could penalise anyone in the future for radio messages if their isn't some kind of penalty for this, especially when
teams have been told no to sending messages in past races.
However this rule is total nonsense and needs to be rid of.
PdotMichael
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Yes, you are exaggerating.
Wanna maybe try again with stuff based on what happened the past years for real?
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