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[GrizzleBoy]

Stewards are calculating the EXACT dimensions and volume capacity of their pockets, so as to not look suspicious when walking out of the FIA offices with trousers stuffed with cash.

No wonder its taking so long.

 

[Graphics Horse]

I'm assuming that Sky Italia report should be interpreted as 'no penalty yet' then..

Would be happy to see these rules sorted out. The banning of pit board messages is ducking Daffy.

 

[spuckthew]

Thank you. It will be the third race I ever watch, this sport is starting to grow on me even thou I don't fully understand a lot of the rules and details.

It's ok, no-one does.

 

[nature boy]

http://www.skysports.com/f1/grandprix/great-britain/live-blog

Uh the downshift comment was to avoid the problem. There's no performance gain in skipping 7th gear.


Fuck it, I'm tired of rationalizing F1 rules.

Did the teams have any say in these rules?

 

[Zaru]

The precedent nature of this ruling probably doesn't make it an easy one

 

[frontieruk]

Uh the downshift comment was to avoid the problem. There's no performance gain in skipping 7th gear.


Fuck it, I'm tired of rationalizing F1 rules.

Did the teams have any say in these rules?

But it's driving coaching, which is against the rules, if the pit wall hadn't responded they'd be fine, but in their haste to get Rosberg running to keep ahead of Ves they made a mistake and coached him by confirming he had to skip the gear. Shitty I know.

 

[CrayToes]

It's an awful rule but it does seem like Mercedes broke it.

 

[Juicy Bob]

I mean, isn't the fact that we're having a complex discussion about the merits of what an engineer may or may not have said and analysing the use of specific language and the implied intent and that this discussion will decide whether or not a driver keeps a podium position in a grand prix not strike anyone else as being completely, utter ridiculous?

 

[nature boy]

But it's driving coaching, which is against the rules, if the pit wall hadn't responded they'd be fine, but in their haste to get Rosberg running to keep ahead of Ves they made a mistake and coached him by confirming he had to skip the gear. Shitty I know.

I don't see how it's coaching if the intent is to do something abnormal that a) avoids a car failure and b) reduces performance.

Guess it depends on what they consider "coaching".

But it's shitty for all the other teams who had similar situations.

They're taking their time to figure out how this set a precedent, but if they're taking this long clearly it's not as clear cut.

I mean, isn't the fact that we're having a complex discussion about the merits of what an engineer may or may not have said and analysing the use of specific language and the implied intent and that this discussion will decide whether or not a driver keeps a podium position in a grand prix not strike anyone else as being completely, utter ridiculous?

Yes but F1 has become the WWE of motorsports.

 

[nature boy]

Edit: DP.

 

[frontieruk]

I mean, isn't the fact that we're having a complex discussion about the merits of what an engineer may or may not have said and analysing the use of specific language and the implied intent and that this discussion will decide whether or not a driver keeps a podium position in a grand prix not strike anyone else as being completely, utter ridiculous?

Slightly but it's clear cut, the stewards know it and are aware of the stink that arise if they don't punish it

Radio message one:
Rosberg: "Gearbox problem, gearbox problem."

Engineer: "Chassis default, zero one."

All the above is fine they are saving the engine and had been agreed with race control

Radio message two:
Engineer:: "Avoid seventh gear, Nico, avoid seventh gear."

Rosberg: "What does that mean? I need to shift through it?"

Engineer: "Affirm, you need to shift through it. Affirm, you just need to shift through it."

That's advice on how to drive the car, which under current rules isn't allowed, the intent of the rule was to allow driver skill determine how well they did. What happened was advice how to avoid the issue was provided, when previously drivers have had real issues such as brakes not able to be advised on. It's a mess by some shitty rules but if telling your driver to miss a gear to keep going at a good pace isn't coaching and gaining an advantage over the driver having to work it out himself I don't know what is.

 

[John_B]

When a driver went into a wall because a room full of engineers was not allowed to tell him there was a probability that his brakes would fail was the point everyone should have given a damn.

I hope for a DSQ so that the FIA can be torn apart by negative reactions.

 

[Cyborgmatt]

Rosberg gets 10-second penalty - drops to third

 

[Massa]

Shame they couldn't rule on this before the podium, oh well.

 

[GrizzleBoy]

TEN SEC PENALTY

18:19
BREAKING: Nico Rosberg handed a 10-second time penalty at the #BritishGP

The German driver drops to third after the penalty.

From Sky

 

[nature boy]

Guess Sky was wrong.

Need to read the stewards' rationale for this.

 

[massivekettle]

Wow. 10 seconds is nothing. Sets a terrible precedent. I see this getting abused from now on.

 

[Tempy]

That messes up my predictions :/ I had the top 3 correct.

 

[justjohn]

So Hamilton is just one point behind him. Fantastic.😎

 

[nature boy]

 

[frontieruk]

Wow. 10 seconds is nothing.

Agreed, if racing was tighter maybe but it's barely a slap on the wrist for Merc

 

[SilentRob]

Wow. 10 seconds is nothing.

The utter disconnect some seem to have with this sport and how certain things get punished never ceases to amaze me.

A 10 second penalty is one of the harshest penalties in the rule book. Do you actually think a DQ would be appropiate here, as some have already stated?

EDIT: Also, how is this "nothing"? I mean, what. He looses a position because of it, he loses three points in an incredibly tight fight for the championship. It hurts him a lot. Why would he be punished more harshly?

 

[Pryce]

lol vettel.

i hate life.

 

[Aiii]

Yay for VES, once again capitalizing on Merc fuck-ups.

Should have been 30 seconds, to make sure people wouldn't take the loss if their lead was significant enough

 

[olore]

Yeah, this really is a huge ´yes but no but maybe´. FIA really are Baku´d by they own actions. This is just something to show that they are doing... something

Lewis leads the championship now? Haven´t done the numbers

 

[Crashdown]

"Not 20 seconds? Guys?"

 

[Tempy]

Yeah, looks like it was the 2nd radio message that wasn't allowed.

 

[chadskin]

Good decision.

Yeah, this really is a huge ´yes but no but maybe´. FIA really are Baku´d by they own actions. This is just something to show that they are doing... something

Lewis leads the championship now? Haven´t done the numbers

Rosberg leads by one point now I believe.

 

[massivekettle]

Yeah, this really is a huge ´yes but no but maybe´. FIA really are Baku´d by they own actions. This is just something to show that they are doing... something

Lewis leads the championship now? Haven´t done the numbers

Trailing by 1, but he will have to take an engine penalty at Spa or Monza.

 

[massivekettle]

Yeah, looks like it was the 2nd radio message that wasn't allowed.

Which is even worse now. Everyone will claim the imminent failure defense, and provide coaching so as long as the benefit exceeds 10 seconds

 

[NewDust]

"Not 20 seconds? Guys?"

Damn, Ricciardo must be thrashing his hotel room right now.

 

[SilentRob]

Which is even worse now. Everyone will claim the imminent failure defense, and provide coaching so as long as the benefit exceeds 10 seconds

You can't "claim" something regarding technical problems in F1. There is data that will either prove you right or wrong when looked at by the Stewards.

 

[Dutch Gronk]

Trailing by 1, but he will have to take an engine penalty at Spa or Monza.

Like that really matters. Lewis will still most likely finish second or third at the worst. He got Nico in his pocket again.

 

[Zaru]

Yay for VES, once again capitalizing on Merc fuck-ups.

Third fucking time. How does he do it? It's not like he's always up there.

 

[Aiii]

Damn, Ricciardo must be thrashing his hotel room right now.

He's still passed German Jesus in the standings today, so his day want too bad I suppose.

 

[Tempy]

Taking the penalty is a good option if the alternative is a DNF, but I'd rather they get rid of the rule.

 

[Ryne]

I feel awful for Nico. Not his fault for the penalty.

 

[sems4arsenal]

Absolute joke of a rule, laughable state of a sport

 

[Dutch Gronk]

Are they forced to swap trophies now ?

 

[DieH@rd]

Bullshit.

 

[Massa]

Absolute joke of a rule, laughable state of a sport

I don't get this sentiment at all.

 

[Lach]

I think the rule as it is now is stupid, but I feel they clearly violated it.

Between Perez losing out on the last lap because of the rule and this penalty, the penalty is the better option.


Edit: while I think the rule as it is defined now is stupid, making it less strict will open it to missuse and I think the only option will be not to have any restrictions at all

 

[NewDust]

I don't like driver coaching, but I rather have more cars at the finish than less. So despite me not liking the rule, this seems like a fair penalty. 10 seconds is harsh, though some seem to disagree, but not as harsh for teams to leave out drivers in dangerous situations (Perez) or having to retire the car.

 

[Aiii]

Are they forced to swap trophies now ?

They will, yes.

 

[nature boy]

FIA has some explaining to do.

 

[DrM]

Oh and Williams failed to get a fastest pit stop award for the first time in this season. Mercedes was faster.

 

[sems4arsenal]

I don't get this sentiment at all.

So you're fine with drivers being penalized for Saving their gearbox?

 

[Chuck]

They should have given him two 10 second penalties! There were two infractions after all.

 

[nature boy]

Merc will appeal, according to Noble.

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/mercedes-lodges-appeals-over-rosberg-penalty-797656/

Or just buy time to make a decision

In effect the team has bought itself time to assess the situation, and it can now decide whether to proceed with the appeal or withdraw it.

 

[frontieruk]

FIA has some explaining to do.

Because you disagree with the decision that everyone here seems to think is right? Or because you don't think it's harsh enough?