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Forza Motorsport 6 |OT| Forza turns 10

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TylerDurden4321

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SkinnerSw33t said:
The Muscle series in North America that I'm aware of (like CAM-T) don't have that many restrictions outside of wheelbase, weight (~3,000 lbs), door/seat count and being officially street legal.

There are no restrictions on brakes, suspension, engine and so forth.

I kind of like this because it really gets at the spirit of Muscle rather than restricting the builds to the characteristics/limitations of American family cars in the late 60, early 70s.
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I don't understand this at all. Is it just for the looks that we race american muscle cars then?
The Coronet Super Bee that I just made has ZERO engine upgrades except for the flywheel, all other PI-points went into stuff to make it feel and handle less like a muscle car, the result was that I was 6 seconds faster than SoundScream's Mustang time from a few hours ago.

Edit: A weight restriction of (~3,000 lbs) would be a start at least.
 
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CrudeDiatribe

Member
zorbsie said:
Funny thing, I was thinking the same thing when I was making the list. What does everyone think?
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SkinnerSw33t said:
I know Crude will agree with us at least because I heard him making this same point to p3tran.
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No Corvettes, they should go with sports cars of the era. They also weren't racing in the TransAm series AFAIK.

TylerDurden4321 said:
Sorry to sound like an asshole, but if you give me a classic american muscle car, I'll just pick the one with the most sopisticated suspension, make it silly low and hard, put on ultra low profile tyres and high camber, modern front spoiler and rear wing, lowest weight possible and only engine upgrades that make the thing rev faster, because that's what makes it competetive on tracks[...]
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Yeah, that's the point. Let's make real racing cars of these things and have a roaring V8 race in the spirit of Trans-Am.

I would add the following restrictions:
- Naturally aspirated V8s only.
- Roll cage
- slicks

TylerDurden4321 said:
That way we'd at least all drive cars that actually feel and handle like american muscle cars.
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At B600? That sounds terrible. My agitating for B600 "muscle cars" since FM3 was for roaring but manageable race cars, not super powerful shitty road cars.

TylerDurden4321 said:
I don't understand this at all. Is it just for the looks that we race american muscle cars then?
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They look and sound (and maybe feel) like Trans Am cars.
 
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TylerDurden4321

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CrudeDiatribe said:
They look and sound (and maybe feel) like Trans Am cars.
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If you upgrade the suspension in forza, the kind of suspension stays the same. Trans Am cars have double wishbone suspension, which is as sophisticated as it gets... our cars would still have leaf springs, just unrealistic hard and short ones. Also... why not just allow modern muscle cars as well then? Why not allow any car with a V8? What makes a classic muscle car a classic muscle car?
 
SkinnerSw33t

SkinnerSw33t

Member
I would say muscle car is defined as a 2-door, 4+ seat family car with a big ass engine.

The family car is really the defining aspect, and that type of family car that was prevalent in North America (and not Europe) in the 50s, 60s and 70s doesn't exist anymore because of rising fuel costs, safety considerations and so on.
 
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TylerDurden4321

Member
Just because I don't really know shit about Trans Am cars, I looked it up to be safe and... they still have a non-independent suspension for the rear axle and double-wishbone only in the front.
Maybe a non-independent suspension on the rear dead axle that cambers on asymetrical bumps and small/big block engine would be trademarks of "classic muscle car". The body form to some degree too, though I wouldn't know how to describe it.

At B-Class I still wouldn't upgrade the engine to be more competetive... not really roaring at that point. At A-class and minimum weight of 1500kg that would be different.
 
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zorbsie

Member
I just wanted to drive around in some old ass cars that go fast. I feel like I've opened a can of worms. Maybe we should all just look up what the top 10 leaderboard cars are for B class and race those instead.
 
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CrudeDiatribe

Member
They're plenty loud if you do race weight reduction.

I know perfectly well that everyone ought to make the same upgrades to get a competitive car. This last series saw a field of different cars with vastly different capabilities but at the same PI; I know there is a huge range of driving talent, and that the usual three will be able to drive my car faster than I can-- but having everyone in basically the same car will hopefully keep the field closer together (baring the usual shenanigans).
 
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TylerDurden4321

Member
zorbsie said:
I just wanted to drive around in some old ass cars that go fast. I feel like I've opened a can of worms.
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A can of delicious gummi worms!

No, what Crude said, to try and make these into Trans Am race cars with roaring V8s sounds super fun, I'm all for that. Maybe B-Class is a little low for that. We could also do PI limits between classes if A-class is too high?

How about PI of 670 and weight no lower than 2800lbs... ?
 
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Devildoll

Member
frontieruk said:
Crude, jello and myself into the corkscrew
Just shared it, look for me or search lagunagaf
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Man, that mazda sure looks sexy

zorbsie said:
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GAF League Series 2: Historic American Muscle

Series 1 is over. Say good bye to C class. For the next 4 race series we will be picking historic American muscle cars and bumping them up to max B class (600PI). Devildoll, I expect to see something with at least 800hp from you. Here is a list of the cars you can pick from:
1971 AMC Javelin AMX
1970 AMC Rebel "The Machine"
1970 Buick GSX
1970 Chevrolet Corvette ZR-1
1970 Chevrolet Camaro Z28
1970 Chevrolet El Camino Super Sport 454
1970 Chevrolet Chevelle Super Sport 454
1969 Chevrolet Nova Super Sport 396
1969 Chevrolet Camaro Super Sport Coupe
1967 Chevrolet Corvette Stingray 427
1967 Chevrolet Chevelle Super Sport 396
1966 Chevrolet Nova Super Sport
1964 Chevrolet Impala Super Sport 409
1960 Chevrolet Corvette
1970 Dodge Coronet Super Bee
1970 Dodge Challenger R/T
1969 Dodge Charger Daytona HEMI
1969 Dodge Charger R/T
1968 Dodge Dart HEMI Super Stock
1973 Ford XB Falcon GT
1971 Ford Mustang Mach 1
1969 Ford Mustang Boss 302
1965 Ford Mustang GT Coupe
1970 Mercury Cougar Eliminator
1968 Oldsmobile Hurst/Olds 442
1971 Plymouth Cuda 426 HEMI
1971 Plymouth GTX 426 HEMI
1973 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am SD-455
1969 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am
1969 Pontiac GTO Judge
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Count me in
HNNNNNNNNNG

CrudeDiatribe said:
At B600? That sounds terrible. My agitating for B600 "muscle cars" since FM3 was for roaring but manageable race cars, not super powerful shitty road cars.
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I really miss the A class 69 charger i had in FM3, i could murder S class cars with that master piece, I think it might be my favorite car I've built..
 
GHG

GHG

Gold Member
TylerDurden4321 said:
Sorry to sound like an asshole, but if you give me a classic american muscle car, I'll just pick the one with the most sopisticated suspension, make it silly low and hard, put on ultra low profile tyres and high camber, modern front spoiler and rear wing, lowest weight possible and only engine upgrades that make the thing rev faster, because that's what makes it competetive on tracks that aren't ovals more or less or have mile-long drag strips as straights. At that point my car wouldn't have much in common with an american muscle car.

My suggestion is to have a very high "minimum power" requirement or don't allow upgrades to suspension, roll cage, weight, anti-roll bars, maybe even forbid higher diameter rims. That way we'd at least all drive cars that actually feel and handle like american muscle cars.
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I agree with all of this.

No point in taking iconic cars and changing everything that made them iconic in the 1st place.

I hate the PI system in this game, it's not balanced at all so I think we need to make the restrictions for these races non-PI related.
 
frontieruk

frontieruk

Member
jello44 said:
How about we do something silly like race RX-5s ? lol

E-class cars on the Nurburgring!
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Not silly enough we need noob tuned Gurkha's

Also in this thread people take shit too seriously. It's supposed to be fun, the cars are going to be higher PI than stock, the list of cars provided and just looking at the last series everyone found something they either liked the look of or were comfortable to drive not just taking the best, which is what will happen this time.
 
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soundscream

Member
frontieruk said:
Not silly enough we need noob tuned Gurkha's

Also in this thread people take shit too seriously. It's supposed to be fun, the cars are going to be higher PI than stock, the list of cars provided and just looking at the last series everyone found something they either liked the look of or were comfortable to drive not just taking the best, which is what will happen this time.
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Seriously!

Customization is one of the best things about Forza. Why the fuck would you want to not utilize it?

Because if we want to get real, how bout we start penalizing people who don't practice good driver etiquette.
 
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zorbsie

Member
Took out the corvettes from the list. I still think keeping a max PI is the way to go. There will be no way to enforce restrictions in time trials. We can set restrictions for the actual race, but I see problems cropping up. Someone has the right weight but no the right power. They have to quit the race redo their setup and come back. Meanwhile we're all twiddling our thumbs. And if someone screws up their setup do we just say "too bad" and race without them? That's not why I wanted to do these races. What I wanted was a fun weekly race where we can get together and race while talking some shit. There are plenty of leagues that take races WAY more serious, but I don't want that. It scares off the folks that just want to drive cars with others.
 
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soundscream

Member
zorbsie said:
Took out the corvettes from the list. I still think keeping a max PI is the way to go. There will be no way to enforce restrictions in time trials. We can set restrictions for the actual race, but I see problems cropping up. Someone has the right weight but no the right power. They have to quit the race redo their setup and come back. Meanwhile we're all twiddling our thumbs. And if someone screws up their setup do we just say "too bad" and race without them? That's not why I wanted to do these races. What I wanted was a fun weekly race where we can get together and race while talking some shit. There are plenty of leagues that take races WAY more serious, but I don't want that. It scares off the folks that just want to drive cars with others.
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Shortt Sirket

Shortt Sirket

Member
I am a fan of the idea of requiring

* Race Weight Reduction
* Race Tires
* Roll Cage
* Forza Aero
* No Engine/Drivetrain swaps
* Race Exhaust

On all the cars. Those would be things the real TRANS AM racers of the time would have and would keep it feeling at least somewhat authentic. I like it when some people go for all power, while some focus on suspension or whatever. Keeps it interesting.
 
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TylerDurden4321

Member
zorbsie said:
Laid it on too thick, eh?
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No, you're the one who organizes everything and has the experience, you should have the last word.


Shortt Sirket said:
I am a fan of the idea of requiring

* Race Weight Reduction
* Race Tires
* Roll Cage
* Forza Aero
* No Engine/Drivetrain swaps
* Race Exhaust

On all the cars. Those would be things the real TRANS AM racers of the time would have and would keep it feeling at least somewhat authentic. I like it when some people go for all power, while some focus on suspension or whatever. Keeps it interesting.
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Maybe we can just agree on a word of honor basis, that we will go for Trans Am feeling in our tunes and not just for competitiveness. I still think B-class is too low for race tyres and weight reduction, but I'll race any car you guys want for the ForzaGAF league.
 
Shortt Sirket

Shortt Sirket

Member
New Car Pack info is out:

Forza Motorsport 6 eBay Motors Car Pack

Car List:

• 1988 McLaren #12 Honda McLaren MP4/4
• 1980 Lancia #31 Lancia Corse Beta Montecarlo Turbo
• 2014 Maserati #35 M.Calamia Swiss Team MC Trofeo
• 1977 Holden Torana A9X
• 1969 Datsun 2000 Roadster
• 2014 Mazda #70 SpeedSource Lola B12/80
• 2000 Plymouth Prowler

Ugh, fuckin Prowler..

But GODDAM on that classic Holden and Senna's F1 car!
 
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danowat

Banned
Shortt Sirket said:
New Car Pack info is out:

Forza Motorsport 6 eBay Motors Car Pack

Car List:

• 1988 McLaren #12 Honda McLaren MP4/4
• 1980 Lancia #31 Lancia Corse Beta Montecarlo Turbo
• 2014 Maserati #35 M.Calamia Swiss Team MC Trofeo
• 1977 Holden Torana A9X
• 1969 Datsun 2000 Roadster
• 2014 Mazda #70 SpeedSource Lola B12/80
• 2000 Plymouth Prowler

Ugh, fuckin Prowler..

But GODDAM on that classic Holden and Senna's F1 car!
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I called it on the Torana.

danowat said:
Clue 4 is Aussie, Holden Torana?
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Decent pack that, nice to see the Datsun 2000, first time it's been in a racing game?
 
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JackAubrey

Member
Hopefully painters will give us a whole set of cars from that F1 season using Senna/Prost's car.

And Turn 10 gives us a way of using them in a single race.
 
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jello44

Chie is the worst waifu
Nice pack.

I think this is the first time the Prowler has been in a Forza game, right?

I wonder what the free car is going to be. (if there will be one)
 
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CrudeDiatribe

Member
zorbsie said:
They have to quit the race redo their setup and come back. Meanwhile we're all twiddling our thumbs.
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How hard is it too just build a car to the specs ahead of time and then save that tune and load it at the race? Am I giving people too much credit again?

TylerDurden4321 said:
I still think B-class is too low for race tyres and weight reduction
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Give it a whirl. It was fun in the few test races we did in 3 & 4.
 
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gragy10

Member
Holy shit the MP4-4!!
& they've put the proper Euro No-Tobacco blocks on rather than leaving it blank!!
Pretty keen on 5 of those so can't complain
 
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jello44

Chie is the worst waifu
zorbsie said:
Another fantastic car pack. Man, not getting the car pass is really hurting right now.
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You can still get it, if you want. I grabbed it when the last pack hit and I've been surprised at the amount of great cars, especially since 5's was just a bunch of cars that should have been in the game at the start.
 
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willbsn13

Member
Man I'm loving the look of this pack, can't wait to drive that Torana!

Also weird how they announced it earlier than usual? Maybe they're getting this announcement out of the way for the "something special" coming tomorrow.
 
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danowat

Banned
willbsn13 said:
Man I'm loving the look of this pack, can't wait to drive that Torana!

Also weird how they announced it earlier than usual? Maybe they're getting this announcement out of the way for the "something special" coming tomorrow.
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I can't help but think the something special is going to be an anti-climax.....
 
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Spaceman Spiff

Member
I know it's hardly news at this point, but between some of the YouTube comments and the usual insufferable whining on FM.net, I remain utterly convinced that the average Forza player has shit taste in cars.

The MP4/4 and Group 5 Lancia objectively make this one of the greatest car packs to grace a Forza game; anyone who thinks otherwise should seriously reevaluate their priorities in life.
 
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terrible

Banned
Spaceman Spiff said:
I know it's hardly news at this point, but between some of the YouTube comments and the usual insufferable whining on FM.net, I remain utterly convinced that the average Forza player has shit taste in cars.

The MP4/4 and Group 5 Lancia objectively make this one of the greatest car packs to grace a Forza game; anyone who thinks otherwise should seriously reevaluate their priorities in life.
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Road cars are what most people want I assume. For me personally the Lancia is way more interesting though. The amount of proper racing cars we're seeing is staggering. It's pretty awesome.
 
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TylerDurden4321

Member
terrible said:
The amount of proper racing cars we're seeing is staggering. It's pretty awesome.
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In Forza 5 I sided with the fans of modern supercars, but with the new tyre model in FM6, race cars (mostly, some LMP cars are pretty terrible) are much easier to drive and probably more realistic in their handling than in 5, so I'm with you on that.
At the same time I wonder why Turn 10 doesn't throw their carporn enthusiasts (maybe even a majority of their customers) a bone and throw in a Koenigsegg or... this month a new Bond movie gets released, why not throw in an Aston Martin DB10. The car will be in Forza at some point anyway, why not now? Even if it's just to make the "too many race cars" camp shut up... It's almost like Turn 10 is picking a fight there. Hmm... but who knows, maybe it's the other way round, maybe the people who bought the season pass are tired of production cars and this way they satisfy that crowd; at the same time I doubt that non-car-pass owners will buy a lot of those less car-porn cars als single-car DLC.
 
Fox Mulder

Fox Mulder

Member
Shortt Sirket said:
New Car Pack info is out:

Forza Motorsport 6 eBay Motors Car Pack

Car List:

• 1988 McLaren #12 Honda McLaren MP4/4
• 1980 Lancia #31 Lancia Corse Beta Montecarlo Turbo
• 2014 Maserati #35 M.Calamia Swiss Team MC Trofeo
• 1977 Holden Torana A9X
• 1969 Datsun 2000 Roadster
• 2014 Mazda #70 SpeedSource Lola B12/80
• 2000 Plymouth Prowler

Ugh, fuckin Prowler..

But GODDAM on that classic Holden and Senna's F1 car!
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Bad ass car pack.
 
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