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Fox and Friends: Marvel's new Captain America: Its a plot to target conservatives"
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RoninChaos
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And did no one see the comment on Facebook about "Tranny Thor? Lol
So when are they going to lose their shit over the new Star Wars poster?
I'll try off the top of my head.
Obviously this movie is part of the liberal agenda to destroy America. Of course affirmative action has put a black man in charge of the force with his #blacklivesmatter propaganda, the Empire represents the rich, in which they and the Republican reds are signified as the darkside, the evil ones. Daisy's character is to signify Hillary, the liberals closest line of defense again the conservative empire, protecting the old, the furry, the colored from the tyrannical empire threatening to over rule their every move.
Err some other schizophrenic nonsense.
I'll try off the top of my head.
Obviously this movie is part of the liberal agenda to destroy America. Of course affirmative action has put a black man in charge of the force with his #blacklivesmatter propaganda, the Empire represents the rich, in which they and the Republican reds are signified as the darkside, the evil ones. Daisy's character is to signify Hillary, the liberals closest line of defense again the conservative empire, protecting the old, the furry, the colored from the tyrannical empire threatening to over rule their every move.
Err some other schizophrenic nonsense.
redmetal86
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If this is happening now, I wonder if people were losing their minds when Sentinel of Liberty was going on in 1999.
Chezzymann
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Well, yeah. No matter how obvious one side might be right to us, in my opinion its not a comic books place to pick sides on controversial political issues. And yeah, even though to most people here (including me) the pro immigration side is obviously right, its still controversial in that there's two very large groups that are very passionate in their stance.
What? Comicbook are not the government. People write what inspires them.
Chezzymann
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To me, this is the same as a TV cartoon getting into religious or political issues and taking sides. Yeah people write what inspires them, but taking sides in controversial issues isn't really appropriate to me for this. It's better suited for independent stuff like books or webcomics, or satire cartoons like family guy or sourh park. not big name franchises people of any political viewpoint like to enjoy like Captain America or Spongebob.
this pic doesn't show Bucky or Sam, but they haven't all been liberal. Guess which one developed some bad views
So people should be protected from debate?
Comics have a long tradition of tackling hard issues. Sometimes not that well, but more often then not very good.
Coriolanus
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Is the guy in the blue shirt named The Blue Collar, perchance?
Out of curiosity, what do you think was the point of the X-men? Besides having a bald guy creepin' on nubiles.
Out of curiosity, what do you think was the point of the X-men? Besides having a bald guy creepin' on nubiles.
Chezzymann
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What? That's not what I'm saying at all. Is not having political views expressed everywhere, even in writing on, say, your Starbucks coffee, being 'protected from debate'? I'm just saying there are some things where the debate shouldn't be had and people just want to kick back and enjoy something regardless of who they are and what their views might be.
this pic doesn't show Bucky or Sam, but they haven't all been liberal. Guess which one developed some bad views
So people should be protected from debate?
Comics have a long tradition of tackling hard issues. Sometimes not that well, but more often then not very good.
Welp. Forgot about nazi dude.
Time to read punisher civil war journal again. Which i think has a ver simular set up this current situation though i think its more drug cartels than immigration
This sort of thinking being embraced by Republicans is just a demonstration of how cognitive disonance is inherently intrinsic to the party - religious (Christian flavor) conservative (Republican flavor) is a remarkably huge contradiction. Their political views are diametrically opposed to the teaching of Jesus, and yet they simultaneously claim to hold views on both ends of the humanism spectrum.
If they at least demonstrated consistency they could be said to have conviction, but there are just so many contradictions inherent in the party platform's current manifestations.
teruterubozu
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We need Captain Fuck Yeah Murica.
What a crock of bullshit.
Who are you or these wastes of space to dictate what people can write about? There are few things that really tick me off, but being told me or other writers should cater to people with the IQ of room temperature is one of them. Stories that don't require thought or don't inspire some sort of inner conflict are worthless.
That is iron man
He is litterally american industry the character. Back in the day, because its toned now, all tony did was go "fuck yeah american tech" while beating up racial charactures.
Now he just beats up his friends whilst being a conservative asshole.
Mr. Poolman
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Hahahaha so they are identifying themselves with the Marvel KKK?
Good grief...
Good grief...
teruterubozu
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I was thinking more like Confederate flag, hood and bible. But then again I'm not a character designer.
this is a dumb thing and also it's pretty impossible to make anything that doesn't express any political idea on anything. You think a hoo rah all-american family action movie doesn't inherently have a set of ideas about democracy, forms of government and social organisation built into it?
Superhero Comic books have had a long tradition of tackling societal and political issues as well as other tough subjects.
Back all the way to the 1960s (and probably before) when the then comics code authority wouldnt let Marvel publish a Spider-man issue dealing with drug addiction. Stan Lee said damn them and published anyway.
Back all the way to the 1960s (and probably before) when the then comics code authority wouldnt let Marvel publish a Spider-man issue dealing with drug addiction. Stan Lee said damn them and published anyway.
Gipsy Danger
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I want to hire Slayven so that everytime I think of anything I can ask, has this been in a comic and then read it.
Funny thing, they were asked by a federal agency to publish this comics to make Kids afraid of drugs.
This comic has a team of southern superheroes that don't take kindly to black dude being the most powerful being on earth in the 60s
I wish someone would, I amaze myself sometimes. But yeah comics never been afraid to do shit for better or worse
Alcotholic
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Where exactly did they get the idea that the serpent leader was about illegal immigration from that quote?
To some degree they're right though. Im assuming all racists are conservative. But not all conservatives are racist.
To some degree they're right though. Im assuming all racists are conservative. But not all conservatives are racist.
nailbombxx
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Of course they would get pissed at the new Captain America character for stopping a KKK caricature from murdering innocents.
CrunchyFrog
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it would certainly appear so, lol
Damn SJW PC Liberals are always so sensitive.
Chezzymann
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I think I realized what the difference between you and me is, while im firmly against the conservative viewpoint on immigration, i dont think the opposite side consists of people with the iq of room temperature or is factually wrong. There is no 'correct' answer on these issues to me, just different viewpoints. The difference between you and me is that no matter how much i disagree with someone i recognize the opposite viewpoint and respect it and realize that franchises which are not built for being political platforms shouldnt be. Stories can still have thought and conflict without addressing the hottest current political topics. Hell stories about those topics are perfectly fine and I actually advocate them since they help start debates and further discussion which is healthy for society, I was never arguing they weren't. I was just saying for certain things they aren't appropriate. You wouldn't be having Aang in Avatar the Last Airbender saying that abortion is right and essentially people who don't agree are the villain. Honestly I did't realize Captain America had a long time history of being politicized so I'm wrong here. But I still believe there are certain times and places where polticial or religious views aren't appropriate. Since youre kind of being a jerk here and treating my viewpoint like shit taking to me like this im just going to leave since there's no sense arguing anymore. Of course considering your viewpoint you'd probably want me to though.
Yeah, I realized that. Whoops.
And they have a whole channel devoted to their nonsense
What I find ironic about this whole thing is that the entire premise of the first issue is Sam dealing with the backlash of taking a political stance.
The comic itself criticizes Sam for going in this direction. Misty Knight questions his approach:
"You've already got half the country calling you a traitor - you sure sticking your nose into the immigration debate's a smart move right now?"
And though he is trying to do the right thing, the thing everyone is focused on is the politics of it. He kind of shoots himself in the foot because the country already knows what he believes. And those beliefs paint all his actions.
If the situation was in reverse, he'd get backlash for being a sellout. It makes for a really interesting read cuz Sam decided to make it political and now he has to deal with the consequences. Saving people is not black and white.
It's the messy Serpents... not Hydra.
The comic itself criticizes Sam for going in this direction. Misty Knight questions his approach:
"You've already got half the country calling you a traitor - you sure sticking your nose into the immigration debate's a smart move right now?"
And though he is trying to do the right thing, the thing everyone is focused on is the politics of it. He kind of shoots himself in the foot because the country already knows what he believes. And those beliefs paint all his actions.
If the situation was in reverse, he'd get backlash for being a sellout. It makes for a really interesting read cuz Sam decided to make it political and now he has to deal with the consequences. Saving people is not black and white.
It's the messy Serpents... not Hydra.
Veritigo_X
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Conservatives having an "are we the baddies?" moment. It happens...
FunkyMunkey
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there are actually wrong opinions that can exist on topics including immigration, because those opinions are not based on facts and data.
"well it's just my/his/her/their opinion" is a poisonous fallback when discussing most issues
Schweinehund
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lol @ "heading over to dc comics"
I'm pretty sure Superman has been battling (mind controlled) police officers lately.
Not my cup of tea but this hardly the first time comics have dealt with modern day issues.
I'm pretty sure Superman has been battling (mind controlled) police officers lately.
Not my cup of tea but this hardly the first time comics have dealt with modern day issues.
And Batman dealt with a police officer murdering a black kid in the street
DC clearly has a war against cops
anotherVegan
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So the Sons of the Serpent are all conservatives?
The notion that somehow every possible opinion or viewpoint demands respect simply by being one makes no sense to me.
Nevermind that you chose the worst possible thread to make that point, given Cap's and comics' history in general, what is the inherent value of the ignorance, racism and victim complex the FB posts are displaying? And why should their feelings matter more than artisitc intent and the legion of editors at Marvel?
Dont forget Supes have his citinzenship back
Vicetrailia
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Please modernize conservatives.
Aang makes a shittonne of a political points too anyway, though they're not so transparently attached to ideas of, say, American democracy. But you'll find Airbender has a lot to say about, for instance, the powers of the secret police, or the futility of averting one's eyes from warfare.
This incarnation is, that is the problem with evil organizations, they tend to splinter off and every branch does their own thing.
Surprise they didn't use the Secret Empire, they want to take America back to founding father days.
It's like he's going out of his way to pick the worst possible examples.
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