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Fox and Friends: Marvel's new Captain America: Its a plot to target conservatives"

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pants

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So, are Fox and Friends admitting that they and conservatives are racists?

That's .. the first thing I thought. The comic book is portraying racists as the villain and they are like 'buh that's like us!'

I cannot comprehend.
 
I love the irony when the female host said to keep politics out of comic books immediately after her co-host talks about how Captain America punching Hitler was the best thing ever.
When you start identifying with comic book villains, it's time to pack it in.

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Walpurgis

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Wtf at the GoFundMe campaign. It has absolutely nothing to do with anything.
www.gofundme.com/hf6mdbw8
It's a guy shamelessly begging for money - no sob story, no cause, nothing. All he was written in there is "I hate cat videos". As if that's going to get him money from the internet.
That's .. the first thing I thought. The comic book is portraying racists as the villain and they are like 'buh that's like us!'

I cannot comprehend.

I think they know. It seems that they like the idea of racism but don't like the word.
 

Screaming Meat

Unconfirmed Member
I find this hilarious considering the history the US has with immigration. Y'know, like being founded on it. Maybe the conservatives are scared some of these immigrants will, I dunno, infect blankets with Small Pox or something.

Yeah, there's a story about how some nazi sympathizers threatened Jack Kirby, Joe Simon and the rest of the Captain America creative team because of it. Jim Simon, Joe Simon's son, said that they even had some police guarding their office.

I heard 'Fightin' Jack Kirby tossed them out of the building himself. What, you think just cos a guy draws comics he can't start some shit?
 

Ponn

Banned
I am still flabbergasted none of these people see the hypocrisy of decrying the Berlin wall during Reagan and cheering when it came down and now literally wanting to build a wall separating us from South America. You shouldnt be trying to point out how alike you are to comic book villains you should be trying to distance yourself from that distinction.
 

Adnor

Banned
I heard 'Fightin' Jack Kirby tossed them out of the building himself. What, you think just cos a guy draws comics he can't start some shit?

I thought that was against some mobsters that wanted to extort money out of them? Anyway Jack Kirby then went to fight against the nazis in WWII, so yes, he would kick some serious ass.
 

Monocle

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They had one, Nathan Edmondson's The Punisher.


Other great lines:

  • The cops mean well. But this is war. And someone else said the only crime in war is to lose.
  • A rehabilitated criminal is a criminal who got a trip to a motel with three free meals a day for his crime.
  • Some people think criminals just make mistakes. They don’t realize that these men have made a choice, over and over again. They’re not here to pay for their crimes. They’re here because they’re CRIMINALS.
  • The police do not protect. They do not prevent. They can’t be there before the gun is fired, they can only chase the thug who fired it. Only a FOOL puts his safety in someone else’s hands. Only a fool expects that the authorities can make him safe.
  • Rehabilitation. What a joke. They’re animals. They don’t deserve to be treated as people anymore.

It was like Blue Bloods the comic.
Unspeakably gross.
 

Toxi

Banned
Am I the only one who prefers when comics and scifi are more... subtle in their criticisms of society? I guess its been a long time since I read comics but those panels all looked really ridiculous, like Captain America is basically fighting Major Trump.
Didn't the first Captain America issue have him punching Hitler in the face on the cover?
 
The writing of these samples have the subtlety of a political cartoon in a small local newspaper, so it's bizarre that someone could look at that and feel targeted. I can understand liberals equating these guys with conservatism to make cheeky strawmen, but I don't know how to react to conservatives doing it themselves. They are so blatantly the comic book nazis and KKK, that I can't believe a conservative would see a reflection of conservatism in it. Good to know what we're dealing with, I guess.
 
I thought that was against some mobsters that wanted to extort money out of them? Anyway Jack Kirby then went to fight against the nazis in WWII, so yes, he would kick some serious ass.
I believe he won WW2 as well.
The Punisher is supposed to be satire that I don't think writers get most of the time. He's not supposed to be glorified.

Glorified, no, but I wouldn't ever call him "satire" either.
 

Ponn

Banned
The Punisher is supposed to be satire that I don't think writers get most of the time. He's not supposed to be glorified.

He is a gun-toting conservatives wet dream. Is it any surprise Marvel had him cut up and turned into a monster. Just pushing their agenda.
 

Screaming Meat

Unconfirmed Member
I thought that was against some mobsters that wanted to extort money out of them? Anyway Jack Kirby then went to fight against the nazis in WWII, so yes, he would kick some serious ass.

I've heard that one too.

Ne'er do wells : Don't mess with 'Fightin' Mad' Jack Kirby!
 
It's a shit situation, as everything seems to be second hand and innuendo, so the only thing to report on is people making claims but no one coming forward. AFAIK, it starts blowing up on social media every now and then and eventually settled down.
It might very well be a terrible wall of silence, but with the facts at hand, it's character assassination.
Mind you, if it's a genuine wall of silence, that would mean there's a huge problem at Marvel.

See also http://www.theouthousers.com/index....ndson-the-new-writer-of-marvels-red-wolf.html which doesn't make too many assumptions about the guy's guilt. Again, the fact that I disagree with a lot with his politics, find his books distasteful and that allegations have been made doesn't mean he's guilty.

Just a bit. It oddly worked for the Punisher.
I really didn't like what I read as it lacked some kind of distance, but it's an interesting proof that there's no liberal editorial mandate at Marvel. I always assume that regardless of their marketing stunts, Marvel doesn't give a fuck about politics, it's just in the business of selling what successful writers make. It just so happens that a large number of these writers have liberal ideas, and it shows in their books.
 

Shaanyboi

Banned
The Punisher is supposed to be satire that I don't think writers get most of the time. He's not supposed to be glorified.

And yet he is consistently glorified by extremely conservative gun-owners, etc. The intent of the Punisher may be satirical, but that doesn't change that there are a shit ton of people who don't seem to be in on the joke.
 

Currygan

at last, for christ's sake
not the biggest Cap reader, but arent' they mega old? I remember a James Robinson story with Cap dispatching tons of them
 
I am still flabbergasted none of these people see the hypocrisy of decrying the Berlin wall during Reagan and cheering when it came down and now literally wanting to build a wall separating us from South America. You shouldnt be trying to point out how alike you are to comic book villains you should be trying to distance yourself from that distinction.

Hold on a second right there.

You're not seriously saying Mexico is now in South America, are you?

If you want to group everything south of the US border next time try "Latin America". That way you'd be geographically correct and not miss the South American border by 5,000 km.
 

jph139

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I'm sure that Nick Spencer is overjoyed that Fox News is trashing his comic. It's a stamp of approval, really.

As for the Edmondson Punisher - it's definitely great counterpoint to any sort of liberal agenda. My favorite part is when the cop with the skull ring "heroically" shoots two fleeing criminals in the back, kills them dead, and laments the injustice of being disciplined for it.

I do agree that it works for the character though. Edmondson does a great job articulating Frank's black-and-white vigilante outlook.
 

Slayven

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Didn't know people would be salty over it, makes the issue even better. Now they need to stop the Sam/Misty train and shit will be gold

Tired of outrage culture and seeing things that arent there, just look how the brought up Captain America's race like it was a big deal, I mean, what does race has to do with it? Bunch of race baiters I tell ya, this proffesional outrage people and their hugboxes are killing the spirit of that once great nation.

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Isn't Captain America one of the most progressive heroes out there?
It is slept on but he really issue, people can't get past the look to see how cool he is.
 
So, are Fox and Friends admitting that they and conservatives are racists?

I think it's more like when Fox brings on a jobless hippie using welfare checks to buy lobster and surfs all day and posits this one guy as the typical welfare recipient. They feel it's a misrepresentation. It's taking what they feel are valid political arguments used today - wanting a border fence, "protecting" jobs, keeping drugs and crime out - and hoists those views onto a murderous racist mob dressed like snakes.

The panels in the OP were really more overt than I was expecting so I'm not surprised they're making a fuss. This might actually lead to more sales lol.
 

Zelias

Banned
If your politics resemble those of a fictionalized version of the KKK, you should probably take a damn good look at what you believe in and start to reevaluate your values.
Indeed, though I'm not sure Fox News is given to introspection.
 
Can't wait until their review of the Ultimates "3 Negros, a lesbian Latina, an alien god, and their groupie saving the universe and the world on the regular"

Fox News Anchor: "Spoiler kids, white people save the world. That's just the way it's always been. And while we're on the subject why is there only one white hero in the line up? White people don't even have space in comics anymore due to the political correctness and pandering that's taking over this once great nation!"
 
He is a gun-toting conservatives wet dream. Is it any surprise Marvel had him cut up and turned into a monster. Just pushing their agenda.

Given that one of the most cherished runs of the character has him and his greatest only pal Nick Fury killing US generals for putting innocents at risk... no, not really.

Plus franken-castle was, like, the exact opposite. Which is kinda making me think that you wuz being sarcastic.
 

Slayven

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Given that one of the most cherished runs of the character has him and his greatest only pal Nick Fury killing US generals for putting innocents at risk... no, not really.

Plus franken-castle was, like, the exact opposite. Which is kinda making me think that you wuz being sarcastic.

Last time Punisher was good was the batshit cray cray Punisher IINNNNNN SPPPPACCCCEEEE thing.
 
So, if I'm understating this situation correctly, Fox News just defended and identified with Marvel's KKK? That's amazing.

Surprised they even went after this, it's inconsequential if a comic book has values which aren't yours.
 
It's always amazing to me to see bigots claiming people are discriminating against them. The same people responsible for persecution seem to be the loudest when yelling "Don't persecute me!"
 
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