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FRINGE Season 3 |OT| Inexplicably renewed for a 4th season!
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The Big Rig
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Another cool episode. The standalone episodes are really good this season. I really hope this show gets its due in ratings and critical praise. These self-referential plots give the fans something to enjoy, while a casual viewer can take in the novelty of these trippy concepts.
Given the ratings though, I'm not sure Fringe has casual viewers.
Given the ratings though, I'm not sure Fringe has casual viewers.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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Awesome episode... though why the hell does Olivia smile when she's giving bad news? So bizarre :lol
Head Peter amuses me. The ending was pretty awesome.
Head Peter amuses me. The ending was pretty awesome.
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
It's gas.NotTheGuyYouKill said:
Agreed, but like Bolivia might be wrestling with the ethics of her own mission, I think some of the people on the other side might question the morality of killing someone because they didn't work out as an experiment.big ander said:
Will every character be willing to follow Walternate down that path? Not saying they won't or that they're not angry about the state of their world, but I see the show setting up this eventual question. And also the idea that there's neither good nor bad, it's based on your perspective. The perspectives are so fluid that some of the allegiances are bound to fall this way as well. We'll see.
squicken said:
I genuinely don't think Anna Torv is a bad actress. She and the directors may have made a questionable character choice in making Olivia so deadpan (and part of it is the habit foreign actors have of thinking "American accent" = "devoid of cadence") but I think she does a very good job of a consistent characterisation and she's doing a brilliant job of playing Bolivia.
heliosRAzi
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Solo said:
To me, he kind of seemed worried that she might be remembering her true self.
PhoncipleBone
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ivysaur12 said:
I know the ratings are steady for Fox on a Thursday, but that is still bad. The question now is if they did move it somewhere else, has it already burned off the audience it had during the first season?
Fringe's ratings dropped right when Fox put it in that brutal time slot. The Fox execs, dumb as they may be, certainly know this. Ratings numbers don't exist in a vacuum.
That being said, obviously a dip is never good.
I wonder why Fringe doesn't have more viewers? Moving away from the MOTW format probably doesn't help... it makes the show pretty darn hard to pick up. I mean, let's be honest. If someone was tuning in last night for the first time, based on the World Series promos, they wouldn't have a fucking clue what was happening.
That being said, obviously a dip is never good.
I wonder why Fringe doesn't have more viewers? Moving away from the MOTW format probably doesn't help... it makes the show pretty darn hard to pick up. I mean, let's be honest. If someone was tuning in last night for the first time, based on the World Series promos, they wouldn't have a fucking clue what was happening.
Rafa=FedKilla
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Fox will keep this show alive on the basis of artistic integrity.
PhoncipleBone
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If you said this about some other network I would believe you. But this is Fox we are talking about. If that were the case we would still have Arrested Development and Lone Star.Rafa=FedKilla said:
I noticed that last night's ep on FOX HD had a "presented by DirecTV" logo beside it at the start, and it made me wonder - to keep the show alive, would FOX consider a Friday Night Lights kind of deal? Co-finance with DTV, let them run it first, then FOX airs it in the summer or whenever?
GDJustin said:
It's one thing to be doing a 2.2-2.4 in that timeslot, which is what Fringe was posting at the end of last year.
A 1.8 is unacceptable, and well below their scripted average.
The silver lining might be that the ratings might be bad because people didn't know it was back after the break. But serial shows usually take the worst falls with breaks like that. If it goes up to a 1.9 in the finals it won't be so bad, but a 1.8 really isn't great.
Solo said:
The two shows to which that has happened - Friday Night Lights and Damages - both are award winning shows that are significantly cheaper to produce than Fringe. That is interesting though, and good to know.
EDIT: Here, let's put it this way.
Here are the numbers from the latest original numbers for Fox's non-animated shows:
Glee - 4.9
House - 3.6
Hell's Kitchen - 3.4
Bones - 2.5
Raising Hope - 2.5
Fringe - 1.8
Lie to me - 1.6
Running Wilde - 1.1
The Good Guys - 0.7
Average - 2.45
Scripted Average - 2.3
Scripted Hourlong Average - 2.5
Scripted Average w/o Glee - 2.3
Scripted Hourlong Average w/o Glee - 2.04
There's few ways to cut it that work in Fringe's favor at a 1.8.
If it means anything, I read Walternate's reaction just as "she failed this time, but we'll keep trying." I don't think he's suspicious yet.
Sneak peek for 6955kHz:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBcWK4MhWQo
Sneak peek for 6955kHz:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBcWK4MhWQo
NotTheGuyYouKill
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big ander said:
Agreed. She already went over the first time, by that fact alone, there's no way in hell he'd dispose of her.
Great episode - they seem to have found the right balance between one-off/storyline, and I love that as much epic sci-fi eventry there is, a lot of is coming back to the characters' relationships.
Seriously, what IS the deal with this season? After a year and a half of trying to figure things out, it has really been pitch-perfect.
Did they change writing staffs or what?
Seriously, what IS the deal with this season? After a year and a half of trying to figure things out, it has really been pitch-perfect.
Did they change writing staffs or what?
big ander said:Season 2 also found a great balance. The show's been on a role for a long time now, and I'm enjoying it.
The first half of season 2 was pretty uneven, I think - it didn't really get good until the second half when they did the 1985 episode and started on what turned into season 3.
I don't buy a lot of TV on Blu-Ray, but I'm thinking Fringe could be headed for my shelf soon.
Yeah that's what I was meaning by it found a great balance; the season didn't start perfect. Then it hit its stride and hasn't slowed down.Ravidrath said:
I don't have the season 2 set, but I'll likely get it one day. The season 1 set is spectacular. BD looks beautiful, tons of special features.
If she's unwilling or "unable" to make the jump as an agent under his control, then her value drops considerably, whether he knows that she can do it or not. Even if he forces her over there, it won't matter if she won't enact his plans.NotTheGuyYouKill said:
Anyway, for story purposes I know it's impossible for her to die, but the intention might be there.
You might be right. But remember, they've noticed the cortexiphan in her brain. They know something more significant happened in that tank. It'll be a cause for investigation.big ander said:
(love this show!)
Let me in said:
Anyone else think it's strange that she has a physical presence on the other side, but apparently never actually leaves it? She was there for a while the second time.
Also, I suspect they won't be able to tame her, but they'll extract and replicate Cortexiphan (or some horrible variant of it) before she leaves.
...Didn't Bell originally bring Cortexiphan over from the other side, though? I was expecting them to know what it was when they detected it.
Right, but they don't know what the intention of the Cortexiphan was. All they knew was that something about Olivia made her able to travel between universes, and now they've determined it's some drug in the brain. They think she's plateaued and assumed Bolivia's personality, so they have no reason to suspect her of anything.Let me in said:
(I love this show too
)I was thinking about her trip too. Maybe she does it so fast that barely any time passes over there while she's here for a minute? Or maybe it's a sort of in-between state; ie she's not all the way back here.Ravidrath said:
And Bell and Walter made Cortexiphan on our side.
ThLunarian
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I don't understand how she was forced back to Earth 2. She's a native to Earth 1, and she traveled there basically with her own abilities... so why wouldn't she be able to keep herself there?
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Well... It doesn't really have either going for it.squicken said:
Keyser Soze
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ThLunarian said:
I guess it will be explained as a limited form of travel, like an Astral Projection or something more sci-fish.
Here's the way I see it:ThLunarian said:
In all cases when possible, the dual universes try to restore balance Whereas people like Peter has no means of returning to Over There after being brought Here, Olivia can be transported. So, it took a ton of energy to force the Cortexikids to Over There. When Bolivia went back instead of her, she restored balance. So when Olivia tries to go back now, she doesn't have the energy to resist the pull of the universes to tend towards equilibrium. She's going to need a more powerful mode of getting herself over there and staying.
Whoa Astral has a whole phenomenon named after her?? Walter would be proudKeyser Soze said:
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