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[Escape Goat]

Didn't X-Files do great on Fridays?

Fringe at least isn't a POS like Dollhouse, so if it keeps the same viewership, hopefully it will at least maintaint better ratings then that.

X-Files originally started on Fridays and took off. Fridays are usually where shows go to die.

 

[Rafa=FedKilla]

The Pretender did good on Fridays too.

 

[Zoe]

I'm... gonna try to pretend the previous page didn't happen.



At least now that it's on Fridays my bf and I can watch it together again

 

[gdt]

Aww fuck. FUCK FUCK FUCK. Terrible news to come home to.

If somehow someway Fringe makes it to next season (which would probably be it's last), the budget will get absolutely murdered .

Wrap it up (B!) Fringe writers!

 

[water_wendi]

This episode was a nod to an infamous X-Files villain from "Squeeze" and "Tooms". They both stole organs/vitality from others to keep themselves youthful and the names are pretty similar (Tooms and Toomee). They also have similar MO's, although obviously the Fringe guy can't squeeze into the same tight spots Tooms can.

Going to disagree with this. Not much alike imo. Eugene Tooms was a mutant that hibernated after eating the livers of his victims. This is about a religious leader who uses youth to convince an old man into harvesting pineal glands from children so the minister can perform "miracles."

 

[Escape Goat]

I kind of thought Toomee was a nod to X-Files. Maybe just a coincidence.

 

[oatmeal]

Just saw the news on AICN...


...


Fuck.

 

[Escape Goat]

Fringe got a 1.9 in ratings last week too.

 

[Solideliquid]

Interesting thought I've been having about this show. It always seems that the technology on "the other side" is always more advanced. Is it possible the discrepancy in technology is due in part to the fact that Walter was in a psych hospital for the majority of Peter's life?

 

[oatmeal]

Interesting thought I've been having about this show. It always seems that the technology on "the other side" is always more advanced. Is it possible the discrepancy in technology is due in part to the fact that Walter was in a psych hospital for the majority of Peter's life?

I would say so...

 

[Jerk]

Interesting thought I've been having about this show. It always seems that the technology on "the other side" is always more advanced. Is it possible the discrepancy in technology is due in part to the fact that Walter was in a psych hospital for the majority of Peter's life?

Not only did the other side have their Walter, they also had our bell.

 

[water_wendi]

Interesting thought I've been having about this show. It always seems that the technology on "the other side" is always more advanced. Is it possible the discrepancy in technology is due in part to the fact that Walter was in a psych hospital for the majority of Peter's life?

i think a big part of it was that on our side William Bell ran Massive Dynamic and kept these kinds of technologies mostly private. In the alternate universe, Walternate joined the government and now the feds have that tech (i think there was reference to Fringe Division having much higher tech by the regular police either this episode or the one a couple weeks ago. Cant remember exact quote).

 

[PhoncipleBone]

Interesting thought I've been having about this show. It always seems that the technology on "the other side" is always more advanced. Is it possible the discrepancy in technology is due in part to the fact that Walter was in a psych hospital for the majority of Peter's life?

They were already way ahead of us before that. Remember Walter built a cell phone on our side in the early 80s (and I mean RAZR style phone) by observing the other side. They were always ahead of us. Walternate just helped keep them ahead.

 

[GDJustin]

Honestly, on the bright side, Fringe is pretty likely to get a 4th season in that time slot (lower expectations), and it seems like the show runners need about that much time to tell the story they're trying to tell.

Obviously I would NEVER advocate or be a fan of canceling a show I love but... four seasons is a pretty good run. Lost had 6, X-Files had about 6 good ones, etc.

I guess I'm just already moving into the acceptance phase of the grieving process :lol Still peeved that Fringe didn't turn into the television phenomenon it was poised to become in season 1, though.

 

[Escape Goat]

Don't worry. We still got V.

 

[Cipherr]

Don't worry. We still got V.

I thought that was cancelled?


Anyway fantastic holy shit episode there. The ending was WOW.

 

[Escape Goat]

I thought that was cancelled?


Anyway fantastic holy shit episode there. The ending was WOW.

Nope. Season 2 starts in Jan.

 

[OneEightZero]

Grr.

I shouldn't be surprised that FOX is going to death knell such a fantastic show. *fist shake*

 

[ivysaur12]

Fridays are Fringe's ONLY hope for survival.

Here's the silver lining: Fringe has an established fan base than isn't really lead-in dependent. Fox wants to strengthen their Friday nights. If it can average a 1.5 and trim its budget, it will look good for renewal.

Also, you can blame for for trying to kill the show, but the numbers weren't there for the past two seasons. I know the move to Thursdays hurt it, but even then, the show is down 17% this season. This is its best hope... sadly.

Don't worry. We still got V.

:lol

 

[Escape Goat]

Fridays are Fringe's ONLY hope for survival.

Here's the silver lining: Fringe has an established fan base than isn't really lead-in dependent. Fox wants to strengthen their Friday nights. If it can average a 1.5 and trim its budget, it will look good for renewal.

Also, you can blame for for trying to kill the show, but the numbers weren't there for the past two seasons. I know the move to Thursdays hurt it, but even then, the show is down 17% this season. This is its best hope... sadly.




:lol

V is good. Have you even watched it?

 

[ivysaur12]

V is good. Have you even watched it?

All episodes. I thought it was ok at first, and then it descended into mediocrity very quickly.

 

[CajoleJuice]

V is good. Have you even watched it?

I watched the first episode. That was enough.

 

[Escape Goat]

I watched the first episode. That was enough.

So one episode and you pass judgement on the series? Mmkay.

 

[OneEightZero]

Interesting thought I've been having about this show. It always seems that the technology on "the other side" is always more advanced. Is it possible the discrepancy in technology is due in part to the fact that Walter was in a psych hospital for the majority of Peter's life?

I thought it was pretty funny in the last episode that Olivia needed a pager along with her 'ear ring'. ^_^

 

[heliosRAzi]

I couldn't get into V. After LOST, I am really done with serialized TV. FRINGE is different somehow. At first, it started off with something small like ZFT and then grew and grew layer by layer until it became this. I actually like it better now that they are speeding through their mythology instead of dragging it out. To be honest, I feel that with these serialized shows, they should keep them to three to four seasons long and wrap everything up nice and neat

 

[CajoleJuice]

So one episode and you pass judgement on the series? Mmkay.

Yep. Maybe if it had people whose opinion I cared about telling me it was good a year later I would have continued. But the consensus seemed to be that it sucked. Oh well, not surprised.

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

Fringe? Fridays? FUCK!

 

[OneEightZero]

A nice trip down cancelled sci-fi, Friday death slot memory lane:

The Adventures of Brisco County Jr. (1993)
MANTIS (1994)
Strange Luck (1995)
VR.5 (1995)
Sliders (1996)
Millennium (1996)
The Visitor (1997)
Harsh Realm (1999)
Brimstone (1999)
Freakylinks (2000)
Dark Angel (2000)
The Lone Gunmen (2001)
John Doe (2003)
Firefly (2003)
Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles (2009)
Dollhouse (2010)
Fringe (2011)*
Terra Nova (2012)*

*tenative

 

[Ashhong]

Sounds like Smallville to me. Though if Fringe gets hit with as huge of a budget cut as Smallville, we are all screwed.

 

[big ander]

I don't watch Smallville; what happened when the budget was cut for it?

 

[Ashhong]

Terrible, terrible things. Location shooting was pretty much gone forever. They reused the same 2-3 sets for 100000 locations. CG quality became laughably bad. Smallville used to be the leader in CG tech when it started..now it's gotta be the worst.

 

[big ander]

Terrible, terrible things. Location shooting was pretty much gone forever. They reused the same 2-3 sets for 100000 locations. CG quality became laughably bad. Smallville used to be the leader in CG tech when it started..now it's gotta be the worst.

Damn. Well, I would rather have that and one more season than have it end here. I don't think they can pull off a satisfying series finale this season, but one more would be the perfect number. Let's cross our fingers.

 

[TripOpt55]

Friday That kind of stinks. I hope we can get at least a fourth season and they can plan a proper ending and all of that. This is by far my favorite show right now.

 

[Ashhong]

Damn. Well, I would rather have that and one more season than have it end here. I don't think they can pull off a satisfying series finale this season, but one more would be the perfect number. Let's cross our fingers.

Oh, yea most definitely. The point of my post though was to point out how well Smallville has done on Fridays in the past few seasons. When the show sucked, ratings sucked. Since the increase in quality though, shock and awe, more people are tuning in. This final season is one of the best yet and is getting series high ratings I believe.

A small committed audience could definitely work for Fringe, much like Smallville and even Supernatural, which is also doing well for CW on Fridays I believe.

 

[DECK'ARD]

Yep. Maybe if it had people whose opinion I cared about telling me it was good a year later I would have continued. But the consensus seemed to be that it sucked. Oh well, not surprised.

V turned out ok in the end, first 4 episodes were a mess going way too fast but then it started pulling itself together and by the end it had got pretty good. Some very memorable moments,

Spoiler

"Break her legs!"

It's not in the same league as Fringe or the original mini-series, both storytelling-wise and some of the characters are a bit weak, but if you take it for what it is it's enjoyable. Much more enjoyable than say Caprica, which was so far up it's own arse it ended up being a complete mess. Anna especially makes for an excellent villain.

The actress who played Diana in the original is coming back, and the backstory with her and Anna sounds quite well done and should be good to watch. Also looks like it's getting a bit darker from the teaser:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OqasiTOnzw

 

[Solo]

So one episode and you pass judgement on the series? Mmkay.

I watched the whole season (glutton for punishment), and you fucking disgrace FRINGE by even mentioning something as terribly written, acted and produced as V in the same sentence.

 

[Solo]

Also, you can blame for for trying to kill the show, but the numbers weren't there for the past two seasons. I know the move to Thursdays hurt it, but even then, the show is down 17% this season. This is its best hope... sadly.

Yeah, you are way off here. The move to Thursday didn't "hurt it", but rather KILLED IT. S1 aired on Tuesdays, and averaged 10 million viewers weekly (don;t ave any demo numbers, sorry). There was literally NO reason for FOX to move it from Tuesdays - it was the centrepiece of that evening's programming. Instead they non-sensically moved it to the worst timeslot on TV, where they promptly lost almost half the audience in S2. The numbers this year are just the continued downswing from that fucking awful move pre-S2.

This show would still be one of FOX's top performers had those fucking morons not touched it.

 

[quaere]

Every character in V is even more shallow and one dimensional than pre split universes Olivia. Quite an accomplishment.

 

[ivysaur12]

Yeah, you are way off here. The move to Thursday didn't "hurt it", but rather KILLED IT. S1 aired on Tuesdays, and averaged 10 million viewers weekly (don;t ave any demo numbers, sorry). There was literally NO reason for FOX to move it from Tuesdays - it was the centrepiece of that evening's programming. Instead they non-sensically moved it to the worst timeslot on TV, where they promptly lost almost half the audience in S2. The numbers this year are just the continued downswing from that fucking awful move pre-S2.

This show would still be one of FOX's top performers had those fucking morons not touched it.

They moved it there because they wanted to bolster their Thursdays, and thought a Bones/Fringe pairing would work. And it did - their Thursday were up last year by a lot. Unfortunately, Fringe has even started to drop the viewers it did have from the Thursday schedule. Instead of averaging around a 2.2-2.3, it's average a 1.9. That's not good.

 

[close to the edge]

Oh come ON! I just got into the show a few weeks ago and now it might get cancelled? The fuck?

 

[Zoe]

Oh come ON! I just got into the show a few weeks ago and now it might get cancelled? The fuck?

They do have a full season 3 at least. I think we'll get at least one more.

 

[CajoleJuice]

They moved it there because they wanted to bolster their Thursdays, and thought a Bones/Fringe pairing would work. And it did - their Thursday were up last year by a lot. Unfortunately, Fringe has even started to drop the viewers it did have from the Thursday schedule. Instead of averaging around a 2.2-2.3, it's average a 1.9. That's not good.

It lost 1/3 of its audience by the third episode of S2.

 

[Solo]

Precisely. The show was dead the moment they moved it to Thursdays, we just didn't know it yet.

They do have a full season 3 at least. I think we'll get at least one more.

They did order the back nine? Thank christ for minor victories!

 

[Yaweee]

Precisely. The show was dead the moment they moved it to Thursdays, we just didn't know it yet.



They did order the back nine? Thank christ for minor victories!

They ordered a full season last Spring when it was pulling a 2.something. There was no "back nine" to order.

 

[Solo]

Works for me! Honestly, I think if we're given the option between:

a) S3 being the final season, and going out on an epic season-long run of greatness.
b) S4 being the final season, with drastic budget cuts, crappy timeslot, potential network re-tooling, etc.

I'd prefer scenario A. Very fews shows get to go out at their creative peak, but Fringe has that chance.

 

[OneEightZero]

Works for me! Honestly, I think if we're given the option between:

a) S3 being the final season, and going out on an epic season-long run of greatness.
b) S4 being the final season, with drastic budget cuts, crappy timeslot, potential network re-tooling, etc.

I'd prefer scenario A. Very fews shows get to go out at their creative peak, but Fringe has that chance.

End with S3, then green light a two hour finale that ties everything up?

 

[Brinbe]

What a fucking bummer =(

 

[CajoleJuice]

Works for me! Honestly, I think if we're given the option between:

a) S3 being the final season, and going out on an epic season-long run of greatness.
b) S4 being the final season, with drastic budget cuts, crappy timeslot, potential network re-tooling, etc.

I'd prefer scenario A. Very fews shows get to go out at their creative peak, but Fringe has that chance.

100% agreed

 

[Yaweee]

Works for me! Honestly, I think if we're given the option between:

a) S3 being the final season, and going out on an epic season-long run of greatness.
b) S4 being the final season, with drastic budget cuts, crappy timeslot, potential network re-tooling, etc.

I'd prefer scenario A. Very fews shows get to go out at their creative peak, but Fringe has that chance.

If it isn't going to get an S4, I just hope they know well ahead of time and can make a proper conclusion. Arrested Development wrapped things up with a great, intentional finale because they knew it was going to be the end. Doing the same with a sci-fi serial is about an order of magnitude harder, but I hope they can pull it off if that is what it comes to.

 

[big ander]

Works for me! Honestly, I think if we're given the option between:

a) S3 being the final season, and going out on an epic season-long run of greatness.
b) S4 being the final season, with drastic budget cuts, crappy timeslot, potential network re-tooling, etc.

I'd prefer scenario A. Very fews shows get to go out at their creative peak, but Fringe has that chance.

I don't know...I understand wanting to go out on a creative peak, but I feel like that could sacrifice having a satisfying story conclusion. If the showrunners could manage to convince fox not to interfere, I would rather have a fourth season if it meant we got a satisfying end.

If it isn't going to get an S4, I just hope they know well ahead of time and can make a proper conclusion. Arrested Development wrapped things up with a great, intentional finale because they knew it was going to be the end. Doing the same with a sci-fi serial is about an order of magnitude harder, but I hope they can pull it off if that is what it comes to.

This. Unintentional finales have worked for some shows (see Party Down and [somewhat] Journeyman) but I can't see it working for Fringe.