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Frozen Synapse |OT| The Thinking Man's Shooter

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Moobabe

Member
It might be slightly premature - but I think Cramen is through. I have one shotgun guy left - who refuses to shoot, surrounded by his men - with no cover :(.

Fake edit - it wasn't premature. He's dead.... Well played good sir and I can only hope you win this competition so I can tell people I fell to the winner.
 
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Toma

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Since the first round is now over for everyone, here is the tourney table so far:

Tournament tables

Code: 
[I]InfectedZero[/I]
[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oA5qYJXwDrg"]  Match 1 - InfectedZero
  Match 2 - Sectus
  Match 3 - Draw
  Match 4 - Infected Zero[/URL]     [I]InfectedZero[/I]
[I]Sectus[/I]                          Match 1 - ???
                                Match 2 - ???
[I]Drkirby[/I]                         Match 3 - ???
  [URL="http://youtu.be/RWchh7WMnxs"]Match 1 - Drkirby[/URL]           [I]Drkirby[/I]
  [URL="http://youtu.be/N7BM-Uh4wo4"]Match 2 - Hasmedaoa[/URL]
  [URL="http://youtu.be/TA1qkxFMqAE"]Match 3 - Drkirby[/URL]
[I]Hasmedaoa[/I]

[I]Yagya[/I]
  [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1SwBJFii3Q"]Match 1 - Yagya[/URL]
  Match 2 - n0b
  Match 3 - n0b               [I]n0b[/I]
[I]n0b[/I]                             Match 1 - ???
                                Match 2 - ???
[I]KZaph[/I]                           Match 3 - ???
  [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10O6vaTAYVQ"]Match 1 - KZaph[/URL]             [I]Kzaph[/I]
  [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbAz87u0aZs"]Match 2 - KZaph[/URL]
  Match 3 - ---
[I]NIN90[/I]

[I]Nabs[/I]
  [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGiIuN9D4nY&hd=1"]Match 1 - Nabs[/URL]
  [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUIKAyeIwRM&hd=1"]Match 2 - Nabs[/URL]
  Match 3 - ---               [I]Nabs[/I]
[I]Aon[/I]                             Match 1 - ???
                                Match 2 - ???
[I]Toma[/I]                            Match 3 - ???
  [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Du0-pp4gfs8"]Match 1 - OldGamer[/URL]          [I]OldGamer[/I]
  [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNzXE_seylo"]Match 2 - Draw[/URL]
  [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKkpFkWb7hI&"]Match 3 - OldGamer[/URL]         
[I]OldGamer[/I]                   
                               
[I]archnemesis[/I]                  
  [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yx-820OmQBs"]Match 1 - archnemesis[/URL]          
  [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuRcntZDIC8"]Match 2 - archnemesis[/URL]
  Match 3 - ---               [I]archnemesis[/I]
[I]snoopeasystreet[/I]                 Match 1 - ???
                                Match 2 - ???
[I]cramen[/I]                          Match 3 - ??? 
  [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7rRDHPPucU"]Match 1 - cramen[/URL]            [I]cramen[/I]
  [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyPwAixHK6U"]Match 2 - Moobs[/URL]
  [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSHJuAPo8Ps"]Match 3 - cramen[/URL]
[I]Moobs[/I]

Congrats to all who made it into the next round!

Btw, you could also start to think about whether there are some rules we might want to change for the next tourney, if you got some ideas.
 
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Toma

Let me show you through these halls, my friend, where treasures of indie gaming await...
Nah, many people do. Thats why we collect all the tournament matches ;)

And if you are interested: The most recent game I had with NIN90, (right after we discovered that we speak the same mother language, so dont need to talk in english)
 
M

Munin

Member
I actually find it really hard to follow replays because everything happens too quickly. But I have no idea what a better solution might be.

Anyhow, lost all my games today. Feels bad to take three times as much time as my opponents to plan out my turns and still lose :(
 
T

Toma

Let me show you through these halls, my friend, where treasures of indie gaming await...
Munin said:
I actually find it really hard to follow replays because everything happens too quickly. But I have no idea what a better solution might be.

Anyhow, lost all my games today. Feels bad to take three times as much time as my opponents to plan out my turns and still lose :(
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I always watch such a video completely and then again focussing on 2 or 3 main points within the fight. Where people were aiming their grenades and rockets first, then where they stationed their MG's and last but not least which way they took for their shotgunners.

I would love to have an option to toggle whether I have the fog of war in replay or not. It would be easier to see why people did what they did if you are able to see what they saw.
 
M

Mimir

Member
Munin said:
I actually find it really hard to follow replays because everything happens too quickly. But I have no idea what a better solution might be.
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I've been playing around with YouTube annotations for my videos after seeing someone else on the Mode7 forums doing it.

It's not perfect, but I think it helps explain why I do certain things: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ap-Wtu2IHLw
 
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Toma

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Des0lar said:
Woooo, my second victory overall and even against the second best of today!
Dark Mode, so fog of war was enabled.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7-jXMcfuhk&feature=channel_video_title

Yay me! Great game!

Also my FS ID is des0lar as well. Playing on UK1.
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Just in case you werent aware: most of us joined UK2 to play on.

And: I just saw that there is an achievement for beating Bin in a mp match. I NEVER have enough luck to meet people for these kind of achievement.
 
chixdiggit

chixdiggit

Member
Decided to play some multiplayer and I'm 2-0! So glad i even tried it. I was expecting to have timed turns (I can't stand that in a game like this). So glad they made it the way they did.

Is there a time limit on when you have to do your next turn?
 
M

Mimir

Member
chixdiggit said:
Decided to play some multiplayer and I'm 2-0! So glad i even tried it. I was expecting to have timed turns (I can't stand that in a game like this). So glad they made it the way they did.

Is there a time limit on when you have to do your next turn?
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No. I've got a game where my opponent hasn't taken his turn in about 3 months. Thankfully, it's his first turn, so it's not like I've invested much in the match.
 
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Toma

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Mimir said:
No. I've got a game where my opponent hasn't taken his turn in about 3 months. Thankfully, it's his first turn, so it's not like I've invested much in the match.
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Maybe there is a difference with games that exist since the alpha/beta stages of the game, but in their forums its stated somewhere that games will be deleted after 2 weeks. If both players already made a turn, the player which had its turn at the moment of the end of the 2 weeks period, loses. If no one made a turn, or only one, its getting deleted.
 
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Mimir

Member
Toma said:
Maybe there is a difference with games that exist since the alpha/beta stages of the game, but in their forums its stated somewhere that games will be deleted after 2 weeks. If both players already made a turn, the player which had its turn at the moment of the end of the 2 weeks period, loses. If no one made a turn, or only one, its getting deleted.
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That's good to know. And it would make sense for that to only apply to new matches. Two weeks seems like a reasonable amount of time.
 
chixdiggit

chixdiggit

Member
Toma said:
Maybe there is a difference with games that exist since the alpha/beta stages of the game, but in their forums its stated somewhere that games will be deleted after 2 weeks. If both players already made a turn, the player which had its turn at the moment of the end of the 2 weeks period, loses. If no one made a turn, or only one, its getting deleted.
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Thanks for the info. How many matches can we have at a time?
 
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Toma

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chixdiggit said:
Thanks for the info. How many matches can we have at a time?
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No limit as far as I know.
 
V

Versipellis

Member
I lost my first match against nabs. I need to regain focus, 'cause it seems I can't do anything right. And against a very precise adversary, I don't have much hope in the state I am. :\
 
chixdiggit

chixdiggit

Member
Looks like I need to do some skirmish matches to learn the different modes. I have been playing every game like team death match but just lost one with guys still alive but have no idea how. Whoops.
 
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Toma

Let me show you through these halls, my friend, where treasures of indie gaming await...
chixdiggit said:
Looks like I need to do some skirmish matches to learn the different modes. I have been playing every game like team death match but just lost one with guys still alive but have no idea how. Whoops.
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Yeah.. well.. how to put it..

... You can't.

The other modes arent playable in skirmish matches so far. The only thing you actually can do is playing the campaign until you get a map that works like one of the other modes and train in that campaign level.
 
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rohlfinator

Member
Does this game normally handle AI server-side, even in the single-player campaign?

I got a message a while ago saying that AI had switched to 'local' and that turns might take longer. Now I just went to a new turn and it's perpetually stuck on the AI calculation, like it's timing out to the server or something.
 
S

Sectus

Member
rohlfinator said:
Does this game normally handle AI server-side, even in the single-player campaign?

I got a message a while ago saying that AI had switched to 'local' and that turns might take longer. Now I just went to a new turn and it's perpetually stuck on the AI calculation, like it's timing out to the server or something.
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By default, it's run through a separate process (basically identical to a normal Frozen Synapse process just without sound and graphics). Maybe it switched to the AI being run on the same process? I dunno why it'd suddenly change.
 
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Toma

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Sectus said:
By default, it's run through a separate process (basically identical to a normal Frozen Synapse process just without sound and graphics). Maybe it switched to the AI being run on the same process? I dunno why it'd suddenly change.
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Happened to me as well. Didnt notice any difference. And the server is down, they are upgrading the servers again.
 
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Toma

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Update:

Scores are now synced throughout servers. Now working on optimising each server, and the medium term plans for shards.
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Anyone know what he means by "shards"?
 
D

Drkirby

Corporate Apologist
Toma said:
Update:



Anyone know what he means by "shards"?
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I think in MMO terms, it refers to how each server is its own instance. Maybe they are working to have games accessible over multiple servers (Or at least tell you which server they are on)
 
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Toma

Let me show you through these halls, my friend, where treasures of indie gaming await...
Drkirby said:
I think in MMO terms, it refers to how each server is its own instance. Maybe they are working to have games accessible over multiple servers (Or at least tell you which server they are on)
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Ah okay. Makes sense, he was mentioning that before, but I never heard the term "shard" until now.
 
M

MrCompletely

Member
Edge compares it to a top-down Counterstrike. I kind of feel the same way in terms of the game being a new paradigm for turn based games in the way that CS was a paradigm shifter for multiplayer FPS games.
 
M

Mimir

Member
rohlfinator said:
Does this game normally handle AI server-side, even in the single-player campaign?

I got a message a while ago saying that AI had switched to 'local' and that turns might take longer. Now I just went to a new turn and it's perpetually stuck on the AI calculation, like it's timing out to the server or something.
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It happens when there's an AI crash. They were gathering crash reports from these during the beta. I'm not sure what it's actually doing behind the scenes, however.
 
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Toma

Let me show you through these halls, my friend, where treasures of indie gaming await...
MrCompletely said:
Edge compares it to a top-down Counterstrike. I kind of feel the same way in terms of the game being a new paradigm for turn based games in the way that CS was a paradigm shifter for multiplayer FPS games.
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I could totally see this game as one of the most played games on a LAN party with the addition of Coop team matches, so its not that far off.

God, I love this game and I still didnt play the other 4 modes...
 
I

InertiaXr

Member
Anybody have an extra copy available? I can pay with Paypal or gift you something else on Steam, your choice. Steam: InertiaXr
 
C

cr_blah_blah

Member
Could you add me to the combatants list?
cr_blah_blah is also my FS name.
I'm going to go through and add some people from it since I'm playing on UK2 server now also.

edit: possible silly question: Can you only add someone to your friends list if they've played on the same server? I've added everyone I could from the OP's list but some people it said it couldn't find.
 
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Toma

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n0b said:
I uploaded the remaining two videos of the match between Yagya and I. Sorry about the quality, apparently my netbook does not like rendering video. :U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fdfu1UDwK-E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkFKjicJupw
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Am I the only one who doesnt like the MG only matches?

cr_blah_blah said:
Could you add me to the combatants list?
cr_blah_blah is also my FS name.
I'm going to go through and add some people from it since I'm playing on UK2 server now also.

edit: possible silly question: Can you only add someone to your friends list if they've played on the same server? I've added everyone I could from the OP's list but some people it said it couldn't find.
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Yeah, only from the same server, if they never went to that server you cant add them. I added you already though :)

Mailman 007 said:
Name is Mailman007 on UK2 if anyone wants to play me!
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Added you as well :)

And I noticed something nice, even though minor. If you want to know how long the youtube upload takes press ' (or ^ on european keyboards) for the console. There you'll see the progress.
 
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Toma

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And I just found out that the MG dude cannot shoot across the whole level. You can see it by pressing "v" when selecting him. Go farther away, and as soon as the line changes, you hit the dead zone.

(I feel dumb for realizing this only now)
 
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Mailman 007

Neo Member
Toma said:
And I just found out that the MG dude cannot shoot across the whole level. You can see it by pressing "v" when selecting him. Go farther away, and as soon as the line changes, you hit the dead zone.

(I feel dumb for realizing this only now)
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I never knew this either.
Nice to know now !
 
chixdiggit

chixdiggit

Member
Pylon_Trooper said:
Guys, updating the OP with names and whatnot after work tonight. Great to see the GAF FS community kicking! Keep it up.
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Nice. Feel free to add my name to the list. Steam ID is same as my GAF name.
 
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cr_blah_blah

Member
Toma said:
And I just found out that the MG dude cannot shoot across the whole level. You can see it by pressing "v" when selecting him. Go farther away, and as soon as the line changes, you hit the dead zone.

(I feel dumb for realizing this only now)
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Also didn't know this. Good game. You had where my last MG was going pegged! I couldn't figure out if there was a way to message outside of a game to say GG.
 
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Toma

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cr_blah_blah said:
Also didn't know this. Good game. You had where my last MG was going pegged! I couldn't figure out if there was a way to message outside of a game to say GG.
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The chat function if someone isnt in the game, doesnt work properly. You can only chat when both are in the game, or over steam chat.

Any indeed a good match :) Very tactical, but interesting.
 
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