GAF: Pick my next RPG

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I've got a giftcard, and I want at least part of the purchase to be a video game. Thanks to my adventure gaming roots with Sierra, I always try to keep at least one game going on each system that focuses on story. And since I recently beat FFX (hey, I didn't say it had to be a GREAT story), I'm going to need something to take its place. Of course, gameplay is an issue. If just getting into the game's very mechanics are a chore, I tend to forget about it, let it collect dust, and hope I don't have to acknowledge that I own it, lest I feel guilty about throwing $50 down the drain. I'm lookin' at you, REmake.

I've narrowed it down to a few finalists:

Shadow Hearts & Shadow Hearts: Covenant:
It's been a quirk of mine ever since I kicked off the Space Quest series with the third damned game: If I buy a game that's a sequel, I have this ridiculous need to play the previous installments first. Obviously this never applied to anthologies, like Phantasmagoria or, more recently, Final Fantasy. But here it does. I like that the reviews seem to indicate that it doesn't get too bogged down in gameplay nuances, (e.g., the sphere grid in FFX, spending more time modifying weapons than using them). I listed it first because it doesn't have what appears to be any of the usual JRPG staples running amok in the narrative, also because it starts with "Sha," and I'm a freakin' stickler for alphabetical order.

Shin Megami Tensei: Nocturne:
I saw this come up in the Nichies thread a few times, so that piqued my interest. I seem to have an affinity towards games that don't really cut it in the mainstream. I swear by the likes of Katamari, Rez, Outrun 2, and Ico. Further research revealed an RPG that used good, old-fashioned Hellspawn for its monsters, and as long as Todd McFarlane isn't involved, I'm down for that shit. But I also treat this with a bit of caution, because the last time I ventured into what I thought was novel ground for an RPG, I wound up with Xenogears. To this day I can't fathom how anyone plays something that seems to throw more text at players than every Zork game combined.

Star Ocean: 'Till The End of Time:
More Square Enix. With S/E, you kind of know what you're getting into, and I have to respect that. I know it got kind of a mixed reaction from the GAF RPG squad, but it's an RPG that (kind of) takes place in space, and I think that's pretty nifty. It's also real-time combat, which addresses the singular issue I've always had with most RPGs. Kind of like the "How come every alien Kirk bumps into speaks English," conundrum, I was never entirely clear on how enemies so vicious, so hell-bent on destroying you and your party, so intent on doing No Matter What to get you out of the way, will simply wait their turn while you take ten minutes to decide which level of fire attack to use.

Xenosaga:
Just kidding.


Nine hours later...

And the winner is:
Marisa Tom---wait, wrong envelope.

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(See post on page 2 for further details, comments, useless optimism.)
 
The OP is on my ignore list, so I have no idea what was said, but nevertheless I suggest Beyond the Beyond.
 
Hmm, that's quite a predicament you've got yourself into there... I have yet to play Nocturne (though there's a gift sitting under the tree with my name on it shaped like a DVD case, and next to it something that looks the size of a DoubleJump strategy guide, and it's been no secret around the house that I want this game, hmmm...) but I really loved both SO3 and SH:C, this whole year was awesome for RPGs in America (but next year will be killer). Between SO3 and SH:C, they're both awesome games, SO3's battle system isn't as fun as the first 2, and there's some hair-pulling fights, SH:C is much easier. SO3 has more secret dungeons and optional stuff than SH:C, but SH:C is very long as well. SO3 kills SH:C in the graphics and music department, but SH:C has a more original story and more unique characters than SO3, and SH:C is a hilarious game. SMT:N sounds like the game to get if you're a fan of those really oldskool, level up like mad, recruit monsters to join you Pokemon type stuff.
 
I'm playing Shadow Hearts as we speak, and I'm enjoying it. The voice acting is really god awful,
I'm off to London for a spot of tea!
the interface just feels wonky, and the music really varies in quality. There's no character customization at all, and battles are always a pain in the ass cause it seems I always need one more ability that another character has, but party swapping is either impossible or a pain. (Although FFX and SMT really spoiled me on that one.)
I'm already 24 hours into SH, and I have no idea how far I am
just got Halley
, but I'm definitely going to the sequel next.

Kiriku said:
What about Dragon Quarter!?

I'm a Capcom whore, but fuck DQ. Fuck it up its stupid ass.
 
Get SMT3. It has the most interesting, least tedious, most engagingly challenging gameplay out of the bunch, and it has the most originality and best style to boot. Don't worry about drowning in text - the game likes to give you the story in small bites, and just how much of the story you sit through is mostly up to you. I recommend sitting through what there is, though, because it's intriguing. It's a beast of a game that will last you a while, while never feeling boring or drawn out.

SH:C is kinda tedious (the encounter rate is low, but the battles become repetitive fairly quickly) and mostly uninspired (with some downright painful voice work), though the graphics and locations are polished. To its credit, the script seems well-translated, and each character has his or her own unique attacks and unique ways of powering them up, which I enjoyed. I haven't played SO3, so I can't speak for it personally, but I've heard enough bad things from friends to want to warn you away.
 
Just for one thread... I'm going to be that guy. The guy that mentions games beyond what the OP wants. The guy that always chimes in with games fron another console. The guy that just pisses the OP off.

What you need to get is... KotOR and KotOR II.
 
I didn't read your post so I'm just going to suggest Knights of the Old Republic (1 or 2).

EDIT: Beaten by a minute.
 
jedimike said:
What you need to get is... KotOR and KotOR II.

Or just take off the training wheels and get Baldur's Gate I and II.
 
jedimike said:
Just for one thread... I'm going to be that guy. The guy that mentions games beyond what the OP wants. The guy that always chimes in with games fron another console. The guy that just pisses the OP off.

What you need to get is... KotOR and KotOR II.

I don't do Star Wars beyond the movies, sorry. :P
 
If you only own a PS2, then get Dark Cloud 2. It is a very underrated game. There is atleast 70 hours of gameplay, and that can go over 120 hours with all the mini games and other stuff. However, you either hate this game or you hate it. The dungeons get very repetetive. They are basically mazes that are randomly generated and you have to find a key to get to the next floor, but there are many enemies that you have to kill. The gameplay is very similar to Zelda although you get to choose one of two characters You're given a long range and short range weapons and a slew of items to use. the story is alright, not as good as FFX but its still entertaining.

If you own a GC, get Tales of Symphonia. This game has the best battle system out of any RPG, you dont ever get bored of it. I found the story very entertaining, definately one of the best stroies in any RPGs. The music is very good too. Graphics are nice also.
 
No KotOR2? FOOL! It's better than those listed! :p

That said, the choice out of those listed is obvious: Shin Megami Tensei: Nocturne.

SO3 is an awful chore.

SH: C wasn't bad and the combat engine is pretty good, but in the hours I played it, the story just didn't grab me, and that's just key for me when playing RPGs.

Nocturne is awesome, both storywise and gameplay wise.
 
Baten Kaitos. I am not kidding. The game has one of the best soundtracks released this generation if you like epic music.
 
I just read that you said you want to play a game with a story. Metal Gear Solid 3 has a better stroy than any RPG this generation. I suggest you buy it and help improve sales>:(
 
psycho_snake said:
If you only own a PS2, then get Dark Cloud 2. It is a very underrated game. There is atleast 70 hours of gameplay, and that can go over 120 hours with all the mini games and other stuff. However, you either hate this game or you hate it. The dungeons get very repetetive. They are basically mazes that are randomly generated and you have to find a key to get to the next floor, but there are many enemies that you have to kill. The gameplay is very similar to Zelda although you get to choose one of two characters You're given a long range and short range weapons and a slew of items to use. the story is alright, not as good as FFX but its still entertaining.

If you own a GC, get Tales of Symphonia. This game has the best battle system out of any RPG, you dont ever get bored of it. I found the story very entertaining, definately one of the best stroies in any RPGs. The music is very good too. Graphics are nice also.

I gave Dark Cloud/DC2 some thought, but decided to pass. As much as the whole combine/build thing goes intrigues me, I also know that it will inevitably annoy the holy hell out of me. I do have a GameCube, but I also have enough big, epic games on it that I have yet to complete that I just don't want to add to the pile. Tales isn't going unnoticed, though. Maybe after I finish MP2 and Eternal Darkness.
 
I've heard wonderful things about SMT3, but haven't played it. Shadow Hearts 2 is pretty good, though not BEST RPG EVAH material. The first five hours of Star Ocean 3 didn't impress me, so I ebayed it and will give it another shot when it's $20.

Shadow Hearts 2 actually ties into Shadow Hearts more than most RPG sequels, so if you go this route it's worth picking up for more than completest reasons. A lot of people didn't like the first game, and it does have some flaws, but personally I enjoyed it.

Also, get Growlanser Generations. :P
 
jedimike said:
Just for one thread... I'm going to be that guy. The guy that mentions games beyond what the OP wants. The guy that always chimes in with games fron another console. The guy that just pisses the OP off.

Sorry, friend, I beat you at being "that guy" in this thread by a wide margin.

Let the shuddering maw of anger fall upon me instead.
 
Baron said:
Sorry, friend, I beat you at being "that guy" in this thread by a wide margin.

Let the shuddering maw of anger fall upon me instead.

Sorry, you don't qualify. How could you know if you were that guy if you can't even read what he wrote? You're just a pretender.
 
I just started SMT: Nocturne and I'm loving it so far. I haven't played an RPG in a while as I have lost interest in the genre (or am just too lazy), but playing this has revitalized my interest. I just love having deep religious themes in my RPG's.

PS: Keep in mind that I loved Xenogears (my favourite RPG I think) too. :P
 
Out of the three listed there, it's quite simple. Get Shin Megami Tensei III: Nocturne. However, if you don't have Dragon Quarter, get that. It's what? 20$ now?

SMT is probably one of the prettiest PS2 games released, though it has a bit of slowdown and framerate issues early on (it seems to clear up as the game progresses). While the battle system is on the simple side (ala Dragon Quest), it is quick, fun and always accessible. There's quite a bit of strategy involved as well.

For instance, depending on how many party members you have (four is the max) fighting, you get the same number of turns before the enemy does. If you attack the enemy with their weakness, you only lose half a turn, instead of the normal one turn per move. Consequently, if you attack with their strength you lose two turns.

The real fun with SMT III though is the Daemon fusing. There's so many combinations and ways to do it that if you like that sort of thing you'll spend hours on it alone. Combining skill sets to get the ultimate Daemon is great.

Also, the story isn't totally retarded. It doesn't make any sense until the end, (this is a tradition among anything SMT-related) but it's good. Or at least it isn't complete and utter shit like Xeno-anything.

The music is also awesome. I need to get the full soundtrack.
 
Not much to work with as they each have issues that make them average at best. Just go with one I guess that appeals to you most or wait for 05 gems that look alot better.
 
Jiji, there are greater sins in this thread besides referring to SMTIII as "average". Observe:

RevenantKioku said:
I'm a Capcom whore, but fuck DQ. Fuck it up its stupid ass.

He's lucky I'm not raring for a fight.
 
If you haven't played Skies of Arcadia yet, fuck all those other games. Get Skies. NOW. I don't care if it's for the GC, the DC, or a ROM. Just get it.
If you have played Skies, roll the dice between Tales of Symphonia, SMT, Paper Mario, and Baten Kaitos.
 
Nocturne maybe the strongest of 3 for sure but hard to recommend to folks given how brutal and cheap some of fights can be. Especially without knowing their tastes better. It sounded to me like this is one rpg he would play for half a year or something. Why I think early 05 ones would fit him better in traditional sense.
 
Yeah, fuck Star Wars, so cheese I'm surprised Ian Van Dahl isn't doing the soundtrack :P I'm also disappointed by the lack of SO3 love in this thread. Though it's definitely not as good as the second in terms of solid gameplay, it still kicks ass, better than most PS2 RPGs released up to that point.
 
Dragona Akehi said:
He's lucky I'm not raring for a fight.

Now, now. I'm positive we've done this dance before.
But its okay, we're each allowed to have a few games we love despite them being...well, yeah. :D
 
madara said:
given how brutal and cheap some of fights can be.
Cheap, no. Brutal, sure, if you don't prepare. No fight in the game is unfairly stacked - i.e., there's no required levelling or stupid attrition - but it WILL challenge you to learn the system and exploit it.
 
In Nocture I just can't get over
the main character being a demon and all that jazz associated with it. Hell, I don't even have to spoiler this really.
It just really takes something out of the game for me.
 
RevenantKioku said:
In Nocture I just can't get over
the main character being a demon and all that jazz associated with it. Hell, I don't even have to spoiler this really.
It just really takes something out of the game for me.

Considering that Angels (and other members of the Divine Clan) are also Daemons, I don't think it's such a big deal. More like "Supernatural Creatures", if you'd rather think of it that way. They aren't "Daemons" in the traditional Western sense of the word.

As for the DQ thing, I didn't bother commenting on it because we have had that "discussion" out before. No need to derail someone else's thread over it.
 
Dragona Akehi said:
Considering that Angels (and other members of the Divine Clan) are also Daemons, I don't think it's such a big deal. More like "Supernatural Creatures", if you'd rather think of it that way. They aren't "Daemons" in the traditional Western sense of the word.
Not my issue, really. What I mean is, the main character is essentially the same as his minions, just some minor tweaks. I much preferred the SMT1 + 2 way with the Protagonist and his companions being human.

Dragona Akehi said:
As for the DQ thing, I didn't bother commenting on it because we have had that "discussion" out before. No need to derail someone else's thread over it.

Of course not, and I respect that. :D
 
RevenantKioku said:
Not my issue, really. What I mean is, the main character is essentially the same as his minions, just some minor tweaks. I much preferred the SMT1 + 2 way with the Protagonist and his companions being human.

Well that's understandable then. From your post it could be construed that way, and I've heard/seen enough comments to that extent that I mistook yours. My apologies.

Some of the later Magatama make it abundantly clear that your character isn't the same as his Daemon companions.


Of course not, and I respect that. :D

I'm sure we can have fun later though. :P
 
Baten Kaitos: Eternal Wings and the Lost Ocean.

It's a brilliant game. Anyone who tells themselves otherwise is totally misguided.
 
ourumov said:
Is so good SMT 3 to the level of importing it ? I mean better than Xenosaga and Suikoden 3.

Shit man, don't insult Shin Megami Tensei like that. It's worth importing from the US, if you're from PAL land.
 
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