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[nitewulf]

i just hope we dont have a drain of intellectuals. that could be the worst thing to happen to this country.

 

[ErasureAcer]

In case you missed it, the Senate now has 55 seats...they picked up 4 seats this past go around. They'll pick up another 4-5 in 2 years. I know Dayton(Dem), here in Minnesota, will be taken out. This wackos have gained control. I'm not a doomsayer...it's just the truth. Just you wait til Bush's appointments to the Supreme Court...this country is dead for the next 40 years with no balance in Congress to offset this mad man. Get ready for Jeb in 2008 folks. This is BFEE all the way and they'll win because they have "morals".

 

[duderon]

I honestly hope most of America feels the direct consequences of Bush being re-elected. Most act like it is a non-chalant thing that doesn't have any effect on their life...

They couldn't be more wrong.

 

[Doth Togo]

Here. I'll say it so this thread will die.

JOHN TITOR.

:lol

 

[Escape Goat]

hmm, thats not exactly what I meant. I meant to say that running away or refusing to advocate change isn't going to help.

 

[w0o]

Get your abortions while you still can!

 

[Doc Holliday]

So are we using mechs now to fight wars?

 

[mrmyth]

nitewulf, I've been meaning to ask, how the fuck did you get that tag?



And people quit trying to leave the country. We need your votes here.

 

[videogamer]

Makes me wonder how many of the people that voted against gay marriage would be for gays in the military.

weeeee my way out of the draft!

 

[Grizzlyjin]

So being in school wouldn't help for long. I'll just wear a BRIGHT pink shirt during the first day of basic training. Don't ask, don't tell...but they'll get the message.

 

[Outdoor Miner]

wtf

 

[mrmyth]

thread combination is a helluva drug.

 

[nitewulf]

nitewulf, I've been meaning to ask, how the fuck did you get that tag?



And people quit trying to leave the country. We need your votes here.

ah, i dont know if you remember the really hot korean girl from world cup 2002 match sidelines. so i posted some of her pictures in a recent thread, and someone, i think it was sporsk, mentioned that there was a rumour that she might be a man. and i replied with, "...", the rest is history.

 

[Spike Spiegel]

Like those threads made any sense before they were combined, anyway.

 

[Mermandala]

I'm convinced that Oprah would be resilient to smear. She has trunks of cash for the long haul. If Ventura can be gov O can be prez. It's a Sci-Fi scenario, Yes -- but -- No more than Arnold. Start writing now and asking her to kindly change America for the better.

 

[RiZ III]

All hail the Chimp Emperor!!

 

[AeroGod]

I'm convinced that Oprah would be resilient to smear. She has trunks of cash for the long haul. If Ventura can be gov O can be prez. It's a Sci-Fi scenario, Yes -- but -- No more than Arnold. Start writing now and asking her to kindly change America for the better.

Free cars for all Americans = instant win

 

[Fresh Prince]

Can some Non-Alarmist Liberals give me a clue on whether the draft is really going to happen. It seems to me the only way the draft is only going to happen is if Bush and Co start trying to go after the other members of the Axis of Evil. From what I know (and 'experts' have lead me to believe) it seems that Bush is caught up in Iraq for atleast the next 3 years.

 

[mrmyth]

ah, i dont know if you remember the really hot korean girl from world cup 2002 match sidelines. so i posted some of her pictures in a recent thread, and someone, i think it was sporsk, mentioned that there was a rumour that she might be a man. and i replied with, "...", the rest is history.

I remember it now. You need to have her.....er, him.....ah whateverthefuckitis as your avatar to at least argue your case. Every time I see you post I wonder who the hell is being talked about that someone would make that statement.

 

[mrmyth]

Can some Non-Alarmist Liberals give me a clue on whether the draft is really going to happen. It seems to me the only way the draft is only going to happen is if Bush and Co start trying to go after the other members of the Axis of Evil. From what I know (and 'experts' have lead me to believe) it seems that Bush is caught up in Iraq for atleast the next 3 years.

caught up in Iraq for next 3 years + going after Axis of Evil = draft, logically. There just isn't enough manpower otherwise for a ground war then policing/occupation of other countries while maintaining Iraq.

 

[Phoenix]

Can some Non-Alarmist Liberals give me a clue on whether the draft is really going to happen. It seems to me the only way the draft is only going to happen is if Bush and Co start trying to go after the other members of the Axis of Evil. From what I know (and 'experts' have lead me to believe) it seems that Bush is caught up in Iraq for atleast the next 3 years.

Logistically the military will very likely spend Bush's term locked up in Iraq. There isn't any real reason to assume that a draft is coming only a whole lot of speculation on a fairly baseless premise of going to war in Iran. If we do go to warn in Iran or NK or anywhere else, we sure as hell aren't going to do it with a draftee army.

 

[ErasureAcer]

http://www.angelfire.com/mo/zdawg/2006/senate.html

2006 Senate races.

Possible Open Seats
in order of likelihood
Diane Feinstein California
Ted Kennedy Massachusetts
Robert Byrd West Virginia
Herbert Kohl Wisconsin
Jeff Bingaman New Mexico

Cruisin' for a Bruisin'
in order of vulnerability
Mark Dayton Minnesota
Bill Nelson Florida
Debbie Stabenow Michigan
Hillary Clinton New York
Jim Jeffords * Vermont

Somewhat Vulnerable
in no particular order
Ben Nelson Nebraska
Maria Cantwell Washington
Jon Corzine New Jersey
Kent Conrad North Dakota
Paul Sarbanes Maryland


Safe & Sound
by upset potential
Joe Lieberman Connecticut
Tom Carper Delaware
Daniel Akaka Hawaii

Possible Open Seats
in order of likelihood
Bill Frist Tennessee
Richard Lugar Indiana
Trent Lott Mississippi
Orrin Hatch Utah
Kay Bailey Hutchison Texas

Likely Republican
in order of vulnerability
Mike DeWine Ohio
George Allen Virginia
Olympia Snowe Maine

Lean Republican
in order of vulnerability
Jim Talent Missouri
Rick Santorum Santorum
Conrad Burns Montana
Lincoln Chafee Rhode Island


Safe & Sound
I mean it
Jon Kyl Arizona
John Ensign Nevada
Craig Thomas Wyoming

Dayton, Nelson and Nelson are surely DEAD. +3 republicans. 58 Republican Senators!!! Wait, Chafee is up too...he hates Bush. We may get him to flip now or at least go Indy. Still 57 Republican senators in 2006.

 

[ErasureAcer]

Can some Non-Alarmist Liberals give me a clue on whether the draft is really going to happen. It seems to me the only way the draft is only going to happen is if Bush and Co start trying to go after the other members of the Axis of Evil. From what I know (and 'experts' have lead me to believe) it seems that Bush is caught up in Iraq for atleast the next 3 years.

I am an alarmist liberal but I'll tell you anyways. NK has 4-8 nukes already. Are we going to sit by and let that turn into 40-80? Well maybe under Bush...you never know. He'll fight them though in the end. He has nothing to lose because he has morals and his daughters won't be out there.

 

[Doc Holliday]

The only thing we can hope for now is that a split happens within the republican party. Im sure there a lot of republicans who arent happy with the state of the country.

 

[Ned Flanders]

Logistically the military will very likely spend Bush's term locked up in Iraq. There isn't any real reason to assume that a draft is coming only a whole lot of speculation on a fairly baseless premise of going to war in Iran. If we do go to warn in Iran or NK or anywhere else, we sure as hell aren't going to do it with a draftee army.

Baseless premise? You mean like the baseless premise we used to go to war in Iraq? And if we go to war with NK or Iran, we're gonna use the all-volunteer army thats already spread thin in Iraq? How do you see that as manageable without a draft? I'm not a fear-monger, but if you would have told me after 9-11 that we'd be suddenly going into Iraq to 'disarm' them without a threat, I'd have called you crazy. But with Bush in office I for four more years I can no longer say anything with certainty.

And no I'm not a liberal.

 

[Incognito]

Something needs to be done re: Rick Santorum. That guy is batshit.

 

[FortNinety]

Sorry if this has been posted already, but here's further proof that Americans are idiots.

 

[mrmyth]

The only thing we can hope for now is that a split happens within the republican party. Im sure there a lot of republicans who arent happy with the state of the country.

The split is coming. Alan Keyes has already threatened to stay in Illinois to purge the moderates from the party. I think the neocons will win the name Republican, but the true Republicans will leave the named party to start their own. I hope its the other way around though.

 

[ErasureAcer]

What the Democrats need to do is to run Kucinich in 2008. He is more moral than Bush ever is or will be. The guy is well read always bringing up scripture or some saying something from some author/political figure. He might be able to get new voters to the polls with all his ideas. If we're going to win/lose...we might as be winning or losing believing in strong convictions. Kerry, while a step up from Gore, was too middle of the road.

 

[Baron Aloha]

Arnold and Hillary in 2008.

taking all bets right here.

From the other thread:

Neither one of them would win the primaries IMO.

Arnold won't win because he doesn't go along with the evangelical christians (a large portion of the republican base). Many of his stances on issues are liberal. He's also supposedly a womanizer....and we all remember how republicans felt about Clinton. Choosing Arnold would weaken republicans on the morality issue.

Hilary won't win because the dems are smart enough (I hope) to realize that the republicans would demonize her to no end and that she would only energize the republicans. They (republicans) will do anything to prevent another Clinton from entering the White House.

My hunch for the '08 matchup:

Jeb Bush for president and either John McCain or Rudy G for vice president.

VS.

Barack Obama or Howard Dean for president and either Barack Obama or an unknown for vice president.

Barack Obama = the future of the democratic party IMO.

 

[Vgamer]

The only thing we can hope for now is that a split happens within the republican party. Im sure there a lot of republicans who arent happy with the state of the country.

hmm based on the record voter turnout for Bush I dont see that happening any time soon.

 

[Phoenix]

Baseless premise? You mean like the baseless premise we used to go to war in Iraq? And if we go to war with NK or Iran, we're gonna use the all-volunteer army thats already spread thin in Iraq? How do you see that as manageable without a draft? I'm not a fear-monger, but if you would have told me after 9-11 that we'd be suddenly going into Iraq to 'disarm' them without a threat, I'd have called you crazy. But with Bush in office I for four more years I can no longer say anything with certainty.

And no I'm not a liberal.

In other words - no we aren't going to war with NK or Iran. We don't have the capability to do so without backfilling in both Iraq and Afghanistan. Then we'd have to police either NK or Iran at the same time as Iraq and Afghanistan. Sorry, that makes 0% sense. Not even bush is that stupid.

They'd have to actually do something aggressive and force our hand (like firing missing into South Korea or Israel).

 

[Spike Spiegel]

Sorry if this has been posted already, but here's further proof that Americans are idiots.

Something like it has been posted before the election, in another thread, and it was just as tasteless and idiotic then as it is now.


An IQ score of 90-110 denotes normal or average intelligence, btw.

 

[Doc Holliday]

Tasteless because its true?

If this happened in another country you would be calling those people idiots.

 

[MIMIC]

 

[Zaptruder]

Sorry if this has been posted already, but here's further proof that Americans are idiots.

I'd love to pimp that link, but how can I ascertain the veracity of it?

 

[Pimpwerx]

Nader in 2008. Actually, I'd vote Obama or Billary, but I'm not even looking that far down the road. And in 2006, the Reps will probably just steal more seats. If the country was willing to give them more seats in Congress and a second presidential term, why the hell will any of that change in 2006? I don't see it. People won't suddenly come to their senses in a couple years. Maybe two humbling losses in a row will light a fire under the Dem party, but I'm not holding my breath. They kinda shot themselves in the foot this year too with the abbreviated primary schedule, the real reason John Kerry ended up being the nominee. The Republican-lite Party is going nowhere, fast. Until they steal back Congress, it doesn't even matter. I give them 4 years before they even have a fighting chance again. Just enjoy the fact that Clinton did well enough in his stay that people will still remember that in 4 years, especially if the economy stays on skid row. But then, that might only be enough to name an airport and a fucking mountain after Dubya. Ugh, bitterness comes in bunches. :lol PEACE.

 

[Fresh Prince]

So basically the draft is scare mongering?
Not that I trust North Korea or Iran but they surely wouldn't try anything..hopefully just rhetoric just spills out from all sides.

 

[nitewulf]

Sorry if this has been posted already, but here's further proof that Americans are idiots.

holy sh*t...

 

[Matt]

Wow, look what happened to my thread. I wondered why I couldn’t find it...
Anyway, all of you people hoping for Dean are nuts IMO. That guy is completely unelectable on a national scale. Obama would be a good VP, and I still contend that if Edwards had been the ticket headliner, the results would be very different right now, but by 2008, he will be old news. WTF hasn’t anyone brought up Richardson, or at least some other candidate outside of Hillary??

 

[Zaptruder]

Something like it has been posted before the election, in another thread, and it was just as tasteless and idiotic then as it is now.


An IQ score of 90-110 denotes normal or average intelligence, btw.

On an individual scale, those differences aren't too bad. But on a population scale, there's a marked difference between two large samples of people with a 20 point (great than 1 S.D) difference. Such a difference can be termed a 'safe generalization'.

 

[MIMIC]

Anyway, all of you people hoping for Dean are nuts IMO. That guy is completely unelectable on a national scale.

Please elaborate.

 

[Fresh Prince]

Isn't the key to winning the next election in the South and Mid-West?
Although Edwards is from Carolina he seemes to have little impact there.

 

[DJ Sl4m]

holy sh*t...

LOL, as if there's been any statewide IQ tests ever done in the history of this country, simply more pro-Kerry jibberish.

 

[Matt]

Please elaborate.

He’s too left-wing, too independent, and too, well, liberal. I like those things about him, but he is not middle-of-the-road, and no candidate can win by appealing only to the more extreme parts of the electorate. Same goes for conservatives, if Bush had actually managed to outlaw (or put new, strong federal laws impeding) abortion, there is no way he would have won the election.

 

[soundwave05]

They key really isn't the South.

If Kerry just could have eeked it out in either Florida or Ohio, he'd have won the election even without the popular vote. He basically fell about 150,000 votes short in Ohio.

States like Colorado and Arizona are not part of the "South" either. They could go democratic with the right candidate and a different set of circumstances.

I think people are going overboard. The country has a bit of a fractured psyche since 9/11 and I think many people thought the changing gears now would be a sign of weakness. If the country leans too far to the right though, I think there will be a backlash eventually.

 

[Pimpwerx]

Something like it has been posted before the election, in another thread, and it was just as tasteless and idiotic then as it is now.


An IQ score of 90-110 denotes normal or average intelligence, btw.

The IQ range is actually fairly average as you pointed out. But it's not suprising at all that the states with the best education voted for Kerry. In general, the NE has better education, and the South doesn't. That's been known for years. But more than that, I'd just think that the hippy liberals generally associated with the Democratic party are better read and better informed than your average Bush fan who's probably from rural America. I mean, wouldn't that be the same group of people who thought Iraq was involved in 9/11? I'd wager than your average Greenie is well above both major parties, and probably the same for Libertarians. The people who'd go through the effort of reading up on these parties and affiliating themselves with them, will probably have a greater wealth of knowledge in general. It's not like Joe Sixpack is gonna vote Green, or know a damn thing about the party platform. I don't think it's tasteless or idiotic, but probably just being realistic.

I don't think it necessarily means that smart people vote Dem or are liberal, but that poorly-educated and ill-informed hicks are probably more likely to buy into sound bites and slogans of the Republican party than someone who might...I don't know...read a book or watch the news on ocassion....and know what the fuck's going on in the world. :lol Sorry, I couldn't help myself. Election day was just yesterday. :lol Bitterness....subsiding. Sanity....returning.....slowly. Bah, why sugarcoat it? Morons vote Republican, desperate pseudo-intellectuals vote Democrat, and pimps vote for third parties. Guess what group I fall into. 8) Yeah, pimpin' pimpin'. I really need to avoid these threads for a few days. PEACE.

 

[DJ Sl4m]

Kerry NEVER had a chance in the south, why ? He's pro abortion, pro stem cell reasearch, (which most southern people *conservatives*still feel embreos are living babies), his bad idea to use our resources up now instead of waiting untill worldwide oil resources are low.

Not one person today that I know of who voted for Kerry said anything about the war, it's his views on other matters that killed his chances.

Oh yea, before I gorget to post this:

 

[videogamer]

He’s too left-wing, too independent, and too, well, liberal. I like those things about him, but he is not middle-of-the-road, and no candidate can win by appealing only to the more extreme parts of the electorate. Same goes for conservatives, if Bush had actually managed to outlaw (or put new, strong federal laws impeding) abortion, there is no way he would have won the election.

What about him was too liberal? Please elaborate.

 

[duderon]

Kerry NEVER had a chance in the south, why ? He's pro abortion, pro stem cell reasearch, (which most southern people *conservatives*still feel embreos are living babies), his bad idea to use our resources up now instead of waiting untill worldwide oil resources are low.

Not one person today that I know of who voted for Kerry said anything about the war, it's his views on other matters that killed his chances.

Oh yea, before I gorget to post this:

We know this. You're prechin' to the choir.