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[DJ Sl4m]

pro abortion, pro stem cell reasearch

too many religeous fanatics in this country to support these as a presidential candidate yet.

 

[nitewulf]

LOL, as if there's been any statewide IQ tests ever done in the history of this country, simply more pro-Kerry jibberish.

i dont think there is any need for statewide IQ tests to be done. they probably tested large average samples, which is possible.
and i'd think the information would be readily available on the net from a number of different sources.
still who knows, it may be valid or not.

 

[Fresh Prince]

They key really isn't the South.

If Kerry just could have eeked it out in either Florida or Ohio, he'd have won the election even without the popular vote. He basically fell about 150,000 votes short in Ohio.

States like Colorado and Arizona are not part of the "South" either. They could go democratic with the right candidate and a different set of circumstances.

I think people are going overboard. The country has a bit of a fractured psyche since 9/11 and I think many people thought the changing gears now would be a sign of weakness. If the country leans too far to the right though, I think there will be a backlash eventually.

So basically the 'Big 3' and the 'Middle 3'.
The thing is, isn't this what they tried this year- and failed. Shouldn't they try to re-invent themselves at the grass roots level ie. appealling to more moderate Republicans in these states rather than with adds?

 

[videogamer]

pro abortion, pro stem cell reasearch

too many religeous fanatics in this country to support these as a presidential candidate yet.

Clinton got elected with those positions. Gore got the popular vote and almost the electoral vote.

 

[DJ Sl4m]

We know this. You're prechin' to the choir.

That's fine, just making sure because it seems everytime (not you in particular, and usually meant as a slight) I read a thread here, someone with the eletist attitude says everyone who voted for Bush is simply stupid and voted for him for war reasons. (such as US being attacked if Kerry were voted in type nonsence)

 

[DJ Sl4m]

Clinton got elected with those positions. Gore got the popular vote and almost the electoral vote.

That's true, hehe oops, but Clinton was sooo damn likeable with his Macdonald eating ass, and jogging and just plain normal person behavior, I think America was really hoping to get a person more from the normal point of view than the average politician. Sorta wishfull thing I suppose

 

[MIMIC]

If only other countries/continents got to participate

 

[Catalyst]

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20041103/ap_on_el_st_lo/eln_gay_marriage_23

Elated by an 11-for-11 rejection of gay marriage in state elections, conservatives Wednesday urged Congress to follow suit by approving a federal constitutional amendment that would extend the prohibition nationwide.

The state victories "are a prelude to the real battle," said Matt Daniels, whose Alliance for Marriage has pushed for congressional action. "Ultimately, only our Federal Marriage Amendment will protect marriage."

Gay activists, though dejected by the overwhelming rebuff, vowed to keep fighting in the courts for marriage rights. Several lawsuits are pending, and more are planned.

Matt Foreman of the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force (news - web sites) described the election results as "a right hook to the chin ... but certainly not a knockout." Said Oregon activist Roey Thorpe, "On the road to equality and freedom there are always setbacks."

Oregon represented gay-rights groups' best hope for victory, but an amendment banning same-sex marriage prevailed there with 57 percent of the votes, leaving some activists in tears. Similar bans won by larger margins in Arkansas, Georgia, Kentucky, Michigan, Mississippi, Montana, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Ohio and Utah.

More than 20 million Americans voted on the measures, which triumphed overall by a 2-to-1 ratio. In the four Southern states, the amendments received at least three-quarters of the votes, including 86 percent in Mississippi; the closest outcome besides Oregon was in Michigan, where the ban got 59 percent.

Conservative leaders depicted the result as a nationwide repudiation of the November 2003 ruling by the high court in Massachusetts legalizing same-sex marriage there. No other state has followed suit.

"Christians here and around the nation consider this a great victory for the institution of marriage," said Rod Parsley, pastor of World Harvest Church in Columbus, Ohio. "We had to stand up and say 'Enough is enough.'"

Robert Knight of the conservative Culture and Family Institute said the results should motivate Congress to reconsider a federal constitutional amendment banning gay marriage — a measure which earlier this year failed to get the needed two-thirds support in the House and Senate because of strong Democratic opposition.

"Historically, amendments to the constitution only happen after consensus is reached — they don't get passed when conflict is raging," Knight said. "But now we're moving quickly toward consensus. A lot of Democrats may have a change of heart."

Activists on both sides say the state amendments approved Tuesday — and similar measures adopted previously in six other states — guard against state court rulings like the one in Massachusetts. However, the newly approved bans could be overturned by a U.S. Supreme Court (news - web sites) decision that cited the federal Constitution, which is why conservatives want an anti-gay amendment passed by Congress.

Lawsuits seeking marriage rights or challenging bans on same-sex marriage have been filed in Oregon, Nebraska, Washington, California, New York and New Jersey. Georgia's newly approved ban will be challenged soon by lawyers contending that the measure's ballot summary did not convey its potentially sweeping impact on same-sex couples.

Lambda Legal, which is involved in many of the lawsuits, urged gay couples to turn to the courts only if there was a reasonable chance of victory.

"We'll discourage additional litigation if it runs a serious risk of resulting in a loss that could set us back many years," Lambda Legal attorney David Buckel said in a strategy memo.

While the amendments in Mississippi, Montana and Oregon deal only with marriage, the measures in the other eight states also ban civil unions.

According to the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force, there are roughly 2 million people in those states who live in households headed by same-sex couples and could be harmed by the amendments — including state university employees whose domestic partnership benefits could be in jeopardy in Michigan, Ohio and Utah.

Despite losing the marriage votes, gay-rights groups found a few heartening election results.

In Massachusetts, despite conservative efforts to unseat them, all incumbent legislators who supported equal treatment for same-sex couples won re-election. In Cincinnati, the nation's only city with a ban on laws supporting gay rights, voters repealed that 1993 measure.

Idaho and North Carolina voters elected their first openly gay legislators, and an openly gay Hispanic woman, Lupe Valdez, was elected county sheriff in Dallas.

All I have to say is "hell yeah."

 

[Goreomedy]

Woo!

Go Bigotry!

 

[Outdoor Miner]

It begins.

 

[videogamer]

catalyst is a good example of why these measures pass

 

[Pimpwerx]

Well, your ass is safe now. Thank you gay marriage ban. You know what this means, right? More casual gay sex. Yeah, I bet that was the plan all along. :lol PEACE.

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20041103/ap_on_el_st_lo/eln_gay_marriage_23

All I have to say is "hell yeah."

Phew! Thank deity you narrowly escaped having to marry gay!

 

[duderon]

"Hell yeah" deny those gays rights, and while you're at it how about single women too!!!

 

[tt_deeb]

Just heard this on the news too...wow.

 

[ErasureAcer]

seriosuly, do any of you know the options to leaving this country? Are there any that can happen immediately?

 

[Catalyst]

You liberals need to quit your fucking retarded whining. Boofuckinghoo, cry me a fucking river.

 

[fennec fox]

seriosuly, do any of you know the options to leaving this country? Are there any that can happen immediately?

You make Kerry cry

Oh, and you're also a shithead

 

[Catalyst]

If only other countries/continents got to participate

"Secular" never had so much meaning!

 

[Fresh Prince]

seriosuly, do any of you know the options to leaving this country? Are there any that can happen immediately?

Dude, lead the good fight against the Republicans in 2008.

 

[Phoenix]

seriosuly, do any of you know the options to leaving this country? Are there any that can happen immediately?

You can take a Greyhound to Mexico and just not come back. And actually do it! Show your political will by actually leaving the country and blog us from Mexico and show us how fucked up we are here in states.

 

[maharg]

If only other countries/continents got to participate

Mike said he doesn't think Alberta would vote Bush but I, as an Albertan, am not so sure. I've heard a lot of support for Bush put in terms of Kerry being protectionist. With the whole Mad Cow thing, the threat of someone even LESS likely to open the borders to Alberta beef, not to mention the possibility of timber and oil tarrifs, Albertans may feel Bush is the better candidate for Canada.

I think that's a load of shit, personally, but whatever.

 

[videogamer]

seriosuly, do any of you know the options to leaving this country? Are there any that can happen immediately?

On one hand, I want to leave soon and tell you guys: "It's your problem now". But then I would just be a fair weather friend. Let stick it out for maybe 12 more years. The infrastructure is still being built. Air America just came up and grassroots like Moveon.org and ACT only came into prominance recently.

If the religious right maintain their grip on power, they can simply export it to other countries. It's not hard to see how American Evangelicals/Mormans have affected the politics in other nations.

Fresh Prince: Yeah, we will fight the good fight again in 2008. Come join us.. I've met an Australian while canvassing.

 

[Mooreberg]

seriosuly, do any of you know the options to leaving this country? Are there any that can happen immediately?

SERIOUSLY?????

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

11 out of 11! Bigotry wins!

I'm sick.

 

[aoi tsuki]

i'd just like to add

http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0409/conaway.php (which is a good, relevant read given the last few posts).

As far as living abroad, the only country i've seriously thought about is Canada. You can visit the immigration page at http://canadainternational.gc.ca/GTC/Immigrating_to_Canada-en.htm. There's also a test to see if you qualify as a skilled worker (http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/skilled/assess/index.html). Just keep in mind that it could take over a year before you can actually immigrate (assuming you pass), and i think three years before you can become a full Canadian citizen.

 

[Alcibiades]

Clinton got elected with those positions. Gore got the popular vote and almost the electoral vote.

Clinton and Gore were also religous Presidents, and I'm sure Clinton supported school prayer...

Kerry is the last major candidate since Bush's father that I can remember that wasn't religous (or at least, not publicly and on the fly, I don't mean prepared statements)...

I think Joe Lieberman would have had a better shot with some of "moral" America, even if he supported abortion rights and civil unions...

 

[Spike Spiegel]

Tasteless because its true?

If this happened in another country you would be calling those people idiots.

Tasteless because it's an obvious and pathetic attempt by a smarting Democrat to justify his candidate's defeat by claiming the opposing side is intellectually inferior. Kerry himself has called for unity and a "mending of fences" between parties (as he must), yet the hostile and elitist attitudes being displayed by some very sore losers only serve to generate more animosity and deepen the divide separating Republican from Democrat. And the same applies to sore winners too, to be honest.

And it's idiotic because drawing a crude correlation between "average IQ per state" and "Kerry or Bush state," without giving any consideration to any number of potentially important variables, is fairly ignornat in itself. This is just baseless propaganda crafted by someone desperately wanting to feel better about himself.

Look, the #1 state on that list (Connecticut) only broke 44/54 in favor of Kerry... who's to say that 44% for Bush doesn't constitute the majority of Connecticut's more educated citizens? What if the 40% of Mississippi citizens that voted for Kerry are the ones dragging that state's average IQ scores down?

 

[videogamer]

Clinton and Gore were also religous Presidents, and I'm sure Clinton supported school prayer...

Kerry is the last major candidate since Bush's father that I can remember that wasn't religous (or at least, not publicly and on the fly, I don't mean prepared statements)...

I think Joe Lieberman would have had a better shot with some of "moral" America, even if he supported abortion rights and civil unions...

What do mean by religous President? Kerry was publicly religous. You probably didn't catch that.

 

[RiZ III]

 

[quin]

honestly though, why would being religious make a person fit to be president? Catholic priests molest little boys, where are their morals?

 

[nitewulf]

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20041103/ap_on_el_st_lo/eln_gay_marriage_23

All I have to say is "hell yeah."

why?

 

[maharg]

Alas, please make a correction for Alberta

Really though, I'd be ok with this. Seems like things would be a lot smoother if it happened heh.

 

[Mason]

http://www.johntitor.com/JohnsWar.htm

 

[Doc Holliday]

SPike,

No matter how loud we democrats kick and scream now could compare to the wrath of the republicans if kerry had won last night. Shit, clinton won by larger margins and you guys impeached his ass....because of a BJ. Sure now its the time to mend fences, why didnt they kiss and make up while billy was in charge?

 

[ErasureAcer]

Let stick it out for maybe 12 more years.

I'll be almost 35 then? My life will be on its way down. I'm not going to wait 12 years for change. I've waited 4 years already. I think that it would suck leaving family and friends behind but what else do I have? Nothing. This country gives me nothing. No money to obtain a college degree, no equal rights to family members, no healthcare, no clean air/water, no jobs to choose from(tomorrow is my last day at work...I'm being laid off), nothing!

All the while I help prop this country up by paying taxes. The strings need to be cut and this country needs to fall. This country needs to fall.

 

[etiolate]

Yeah, if there was going to be civil car, it would be from Kerry winning. Bush supporters would have put up a fight, Kerry supporters are just saying they are going to leave.

PS: SELL YOUR PS2s ITS ALL OVER

 

[videogamer]

I'll be almost 35 then? My life will be on its way down. I'm not going to wait 12 years for change. I've waited 4 years already. I think that it would suck leaving family and friends behind but what else do I have? Nothing. This country gives me nothing. No money to obtain a college degree, no equal rights to family members, no healthcare, no clean air/water, no jobs to choose from(tomorrow is my last day at work...I'm being laid off), nothing!

All the while I help prop this country up by paying taxes. The strings need to be cut and this country needs to fall. This country needs to fall.

Well, you can drive down every 4 years to help volunteer.

 

[maharg]

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20041103/ap_on_el_st_lo/eln_gay_marriage_23

All I have to say is "hell yeah."

That was a hell yeah to all the gay people elected to office right?

Oh and I love how a lot of these measures are fucking over STRAIGHT people too. That's always how it happens when you deny people rights. It's almost impossible to properly limit them only to the people you don't like.

 

[Deleted member 1235]

From the outside looking in, it's bizarree to see how Americas population handles it's affairs.

Sucks to be gay I guess.....

Move to New Zealand! We have a revolving door policy on immigration, Prostitutions legal and our MPS smoke weed! Take that conservative america.

 

[videogamer]

From the outside looking in, it's bizarree to see how Americas population handles it's affairs.

Sucks to be gay I guess.....

Move to New Zealand! We have a revolving door policy on immigration, Prostitutions legal and our MPS smoke weed! Take that conservative america.

:jaw drops:

so, how do you guys compare yourselves to Australia and Canada?

 

[maharg]

:jaw drops:

so, how do you guys compare yourselves to Australia and Canada?

They also... *ahem* like sheep.

 

[Baconäger]

I am glad Bush won.

 

[Deleted member 1235]

They also... *ahem* like sheep.

Psh, you only have to do it once when you turn 16.

*farm dance*

so, how do you guys compare yourselves to Australia and Canada?

Lifestyle wise, Aussie seems like a big New Zealand with better weather, similar cost money value (ours runs about 90 cents to their dollar at the mo I think). Don't know jack about canada.

 

[videogamer]

They also... *ahem* like sheep.

My dad lived for 6 years in Australia. Maybe I can use that somehow. But then again Labor isn't doing well in that country.

 

[ErasureAcer]

http://www.johntitor.com/JohnsWar.htm

Means so much more now that Bush has won.

my prediction: North Korea nukes California. People are upset that Bush is a weak leader and let NK have nukes...he does not give up power. Civil war ensues.

 

[RiZ III]

Can we all just agree that John Titor is the biggest troll on the internet and quit bringing his crap up?

 

[fennec fox]

Means so much more now that Bush has won.

This only confirms for me my suspicion that you are a shithead.

Look, no matter where you go, only one person is the ultimate decision maker in your life. And that's you. Until you come to terms with that, you'll be a shithead no matter which country you flee to.

 

[Spike Spiegel]

SPike,

No matter how loud we democrats kick and scream now could compare to the wrath of the republicans if kerry had won last night. Shit, clinton won by larger margins and you guys impeached his ass....because of a BJ. Sure now its the time to mend fences, why didnt they kiss and make up while billy was in charge?

Clinton was impeached because he lied under a sworn oath before God and country. He looked the American people right in the eye (via videotape), and told a bold-faced lie before a jury of his peers after having sworn an oath to uphold and tell the truth. You may not see that as a big deal, but when the President of the United States is willing to put his entire presidency and legacy at jeopardy, to lie about something as small and inconsequential as having sexual relations with an intern... what else is he willing to lie about?

Now, that said, the whole thing reeked of partisanship and hypocrisy. Not the Republican leadership's finest hour.

 

[AeroGod]

Means so much more now that Bush has won.

my prediction: North Korea nukes California. People are upset that Bush is a weak leader and let NK have nukes...he does not give up power. Civil war ensues.

Pfft, you aint no Titor dawg. Russia nukes Jacksonville everyone knows that and civil war ensues because the Cubs win the world series next year