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GAF Post-Election Country Jamboree Bitchfest Catch-All Thread O' Doom

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MIMIC

Banned
What if all those provisional/absentee ballots tip the scale toward Kerry, then he can, classically, hold up the "Bush Win's Re-Election" papers.

There's always hope. :p
 

xsarien

daedsiluap
MIMIC said:
What if all those provisional/absentee ballots tip the scale toward Kerry, then he can, classically, hold up the "Bush Win's Re-Election" papers.

There's always hope. :p

There are enough provisional ballots to cover the spread, by just about 20,000 votes. Statistically, there's no way in hell that they'd all be for Kerry. If you look at the rundown of where all of the provisional ballots are from, only a small chunk of them are from "blue" counties in Ohio.

It's done, the best you can hope for is enough Democratic stonewalling of obvious hardline, right-wing agendas until 2006 when - hopefully - people will come to their senses.
 

MIMIC

Banned
xsarien said:
If you look at the rundown of where all of the provisional ballots are from, only a small chunk of them are from "blue" counties in Ohio.

Actually, quite to the contrary:

The bulk of the provisional ballots were cast in urban counties that favored Kerry: 24,788 in Cuyahoga County, 14,446 in Franklin, 9,227 in Montgomery, 6,719 in Lucas, 5,932 in Summit County, and 6,653 in Stark. But another 14,386 were cast in traditionally Republican Hamilton County.
The Akron Beacon Journal
 

3phemeral

Member
KingV said:
No, you're not. Are the creationists lying? They obviously believe despite evidence to the contrary, and the evidence was not 100% clear cut at the time, moreso in hindsight. Bush clearly thought he had more evidence, or better information from some other Non UN source. Clearly, many Bush detractors like to paint it as clear cut, and something the world as a whole has known from day one, but I remember October 2002, and that's not what the main argument was. Most people were arguing that Iraq had very few WMD, or hadn't produced more in years, so what htey had left had probably spoiled, or even if they did have them it didn't constitute a threat, then there were some people that said he had completely disarmed. IT was definitely not completely clear that Iraq was WMD free. It's just convenient to think of it that way now if you dislike Bush, because it paints him in a worse light.

There's a difference between ignoring evidence supporting relatively unproven theory that possibly negates your belief in an equally unproven theoretical understanding of how you view your natural/supernatural world, and one that goes relentlously against the initial facts that's based off of tangible, quantifiable evidence. The Big Bang, regardless of how logical it can seem to be, still remains largely theoretical. Creationism is just the same, even if it lacks scientific evidence to support its conclusion. Neither side can prove definitvely either case because the lack of applicable tools to verify either claim. Iraq is different.

Hans Blix reported there were no WMD in Iraq. There was no connection to Al Qaeda -- and correct me if I'm wrong, but there was even documentation proving this to be the case yet, somehow still used as support to show a correlation between the two. There has been no connection between Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein.

Even if the new evidence wasn't completely undendiable, there's a reason why it's called "new evidence", it shows that with *more* research, perhaps previous claims went unchecked and more consideration should be taken because of it. In either case, how is [Case 1] stronger than [Case 2] if BOTH instances lack a clear motivation for action? We were in Afghanistan, where we should have remained yet, what happened to that?

Seems that with all these new articles verifying Hans Blix's stance on WMD possession in Iraq, other reports placing Iraq as a non-particpant in 9/11, and Saddam's non-relation to Osama, seems like Bush should have paid more attention to the new evidence.

I clearly remember the Bush Administration making no qualms about knowing with absolute certainty that Iraq had WMDs.

He lied.
 

xsarien

daedsiluap
MIMIC said:
Actually, quite to the contrary:


The Akron Beacon Journal

I don't have a subscription, but I'll bet nuts to bolts that they don't list the entire state rundown of the provisional ballot entries. There are close to 150,000 of them, and the big Kerry counties dont' make up a significant portion of that number.
 

xexex

Banned
the bitch is coming

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Mumbles

Member
KingV said:
Lie implies that he deliberately misled people, i.e. fabricated evidence, made up things. I don't believe that is true, nor is there evidence of some vast right wing conspiracy that did this.

No vast right wing conspiracy is required. Hell, even in the third debate, Bush was claiming that his Iraq war kept Saddam from giving WMDs to the terrorists, mere minutes after acknowledging that Saddam had no WMD. Calling him a liar is giving him the benefit of the doubt.
 

Suranga3

Member
It seems that the religious right is just way too strong in the States now, your country defiantly moved even more to the right after 9/11. I honestly cannot see a democratic president of the United States for a VERY long time, if ever again.
 

Pachinko

Member
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This basically sums up my thoughts on the election right here. I mean seriously America WHAT THE FUCK ? Why would you re-elect the worst president your countries had since Nixen over an intellegint guy that might have fixed your busted ass economy. Seriously, since Bush has been in power the canadian dollar 'rose'(technically your dollar dropped) from 67 to 83 cents. I and many other people could go on and on but WHY ? Oh well enjoy 4 more years of miserable economy, non existant foreign policy, an idiot that looks like a monkey has your leader and finally being hated by every single country on earth when you travel. :D
 

Do The Mario

Unconfirmed Member
Pachinko said:
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This basically sums up my thoughts on the election right here. I mean seriously America WHAT THE FUCK ? Why would you re-elect the worst president your countries had since Nixen over an intellegint guy that might have fixed your busted ass economy. Seriously, since Bush has been in power the canadian dollar 'rose'(technically your dollar dropped) from 67 to 83 cents. I and many other people could go on and on but WHY ? Oh well enjoy 4 more years of miserable economy, non existant foreign policy, an idiot that looks like a monkey has your leader and finally being hated by every single country on earth when you travel. :D

Same with the Australian dollar

Before Bush

1 Australian dollar = 49 US cents

Now

1 Australian dollar = 74 US cents and climbing big time!


Thank you president bush for increasing the strength of foreign currencies against you’re own, who said bush didn’t have a strong foreign policy?
 
Do The Mario said:
Same with the Australian dollar

Before Bush

1 Australian dollar = 49 US cents

Now

1 Australian dollar = 74 US cents and climbing big time!


Thank you president bush for increasing the strength of foreign currencies against you’re own, who said bush didn’t have a strong foreign policy?

IIRC, they did this so that our exports would be cheaper. Going abroad for tourism would cost more so more people are staying within the country.
 
Hammy said:
IIRC, they did this so that our exports would be cheaper. Going abroad for tourism would cost more so more people are staying within the country.

Wait eggplant got a name change to Hammy.
Can I change my name to Licorice Sticks?

Thanks Mods :D

Anyway a high aussie dollar isn't always benefical we can't really import more than we export otherwise inflation goes up.
 

Do The Mario

Unconfirmed Member
Fresh Prince said:
Wait eggplant got a name change to Hammy.
Can I change my name to Licorice Sticks?

Thanks Mods :D

Anyway a high aussie dollar isn't always benefical we can't really import more than we export otherwise inflation goes up.

True it’s bad for our mineral and agricultural industries
 
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You people need to wake up and realize that this is exactly why y'all lost this election. It is the condescending, elitest, "I know what's right for you" crowd that has taken your party way to the left and hasn't listened to anybody in the last four years. Y'all have gotten your asses handed to you in two straight elections. It hasn't even been close. In 24 years y'all have gone to having 20 out of 26 senators from the south to having 4 out of the 26 senators in the south. There is a reason why that has happened.

This was the far left's last chance at any kind of a power grab and it failed. It failed miserably. GET OVER IT. PEOPLE DON'T WANT THAT KIND OF AMERICA. Y'all need to smell the coffee and realize that being the party of Nancy Pelosi doesn't play on Main Street. It is right now y'all have to make the decision to move away from Hillary and Kerry and embrace the likes of Evan Byah of Indiana and Harold Ford of Tennessee. It is people like them that should be the future of the Democratic Party. Trying to hold on to the progressive coast idealogy and elitism will only lead to further disaster.

2006 is only 14 months away. How will y'all find yourselves? Its put up or shut up time.
 
siamesedreamer said:
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You people need to wake up and realize that this is exactly why y'all lost this election. It is the condescending, elitest, "I know what's right for you" crowd that has taken your party way to the left and hasn't listened to anybody in the last four years. Y'all have gotten your asses handed to you in two straight elections. It hasn't even been close. In 24 years y'all have gone to having 20 out of 26 senators from the south to having 4 out of the 26 senators in the south. There is a reason why that has happened.

uh it's British.

This was the far left's last chance at any kind of a power grab and it failed. It failed miserably. GET OVER IT. PEOPLE DON'T WANT THAT KIND OF AMERICA. Y'all need to smell the coffee and realize that being the party of Nancy Pelosi doesn't play on Main Street. It is right now y'all have to make the decision to move away from Hillary and Kerry and embrace the likes of Evan Byah of Indiana and Harold Ford of Tennessee. It is people like them that should be the future of the Democratic Party. Trying to hold on to the progressive coast idealogy and elitism will only lead to further disaster.

2006 is only 14 months away. How will y'all find yourselves? Its put up or shut up time.

What do you mean by elitist? It's the conservatives who think their way of life and religion is superior. Don't act like the Republicans are free of guilt.

Look at what happened in 2002. Look at how being subservient to Republicans worked against the party.

Considering where "main street" is, I don't think I would want to be there. This country doesn't want me.
 

maharg

idspispopd
I find it bizarre that Americans think a 1-2% margin is "having your ass handed to you." You people clearly have a crazy notion of majorities.
 

Socreges

Banned
siamesedreamer said:
You people need to wake up and realize that this is exactly why y'all lost this election. It is the condescending, elitest, "I know what's right for you" crowd that has taken your party way to the left and hasn't listened to anybody in the last four years. Y'all have gotten your asses handed to you in two straight elections. It hasn't even been close. In 24 years y'all have gone to having 20 out of 26 senators from the south to having 4 out of the 26 senators in the south. There is a reason why that has happened.

This was the far left's last chance at any kind of a power grab and it failed. It failed miserably. GET OVER IT. PEOPLE DON'T WANT THAT KIND OF AMERICA. Y'all need to smell the coffee and realize that being the party of Nancy Pelosi doesn't play on Main Street. It is right now y'all have to make the decision to move away from Hillary and Kerry and embrace the likes of Evan Byah of Indiana and Harold Ford of Tennessee. It is people like them that should be the future of the Democratic Party. Trying to hold on to the progressive coast idealogy and elitism will only lead to further disaster.

2006 is only 14 months away. How will y'all find yourselves? Its put up or shut up time.
It can't be helped. I mean, I just read your post and thought throughout: "Wow, this guy is pretty stupid and ignorant." Then I thought how perfect it would be if I told you this.


Anyway, Ed Helms (TDS):

"For those of you would like to have gay sex or visit a library, you may want to know that this is your last night to do so."
:lol

"For me, I'll be killing two birds in one stone."
:lol :lol

Ahhh, if we gain nothing else from this election, it is the constant material that The Daily Show will have. Seriously, a Kerry-presidency would probably mean a completely different show.
 
I clearly understand that its British. But, the condescending line at the bottom is the pervasive attitude of the left at the moment.

I find it bizarre that Americans think a 1-2% margin is "having your ass handed to you." You people clearly have a crazy notion of majorities.

Considering that not even Clinton got a majoirty vote, it is a clear victory. Besides, I was refering to the ass handing done in the congressional elections - you know, where policy is actually given the go ahead.

+4 in the Senate
+3 in the house

=

ass handing

Considering where "main street" is, I don't think I would want to be there.

That's your choice. You're clearly in the minority.

It can't be helped. I mean, I just read your post and thought throughout: "Wow, this guy is pretty stupid and ignorant."

And that is why y'all will continue to lose.
 
siamesedreamer said:
I clearly understand that its British. But, the condescending line at the bottom is the pervasive attitude of the left at the moment.



Considering that not even Clinton got a majoirty vote, it is a clear victory. Besides, I was refering to the ass handing done in the congressional elections - you know, where policy is actually given the go ahead.

+4 in the Senate
+3 in the house

=

ass handing



That's your choice. You're clearly in the minority.

Sadly siamesedreamer may be right. It's clear the 'elitists', general democrats and swing voters were too small to outweigh the religious 'common' masses.
Face it Bush won convincingly- if the Democrats have the attitude of *just* winning this state or that state, seems like we'll be going down the same road again.
 
siamesedreamer said:
Considering that not even Clinton got a majoirty vote, it is a clear victory. Besides, I was refering to the ass handing done in the congressional elections - you know, where policy is actually given the go ahead.

+4 in the Senate
+3 in the house

=

ass handing
Remember Clinton had to deal with more powerful third party candidates. Thus, vote percentages were split amongst more people. Margin of difference is a better indicater of relative strengths between two leaders.


That's your choice. You're clearly in the minority.

Uh, it's pretty obvious who won the election. But that doesn't mean that I'm going to lose my values to win. BTW. you edited out the part about how my country doesn't want me. So many believe that I should be discriminated against. The quote is pretty much out of context without it.


And that is why y'all will continue to lose.

He's Canadian. And look at who's in charge in Canada. Not the Conservatives. In fact, left leaning parties way outnumber the Conservatives there.
 

Ripclawe

Banned
Zell Miller rubs it in as he heads off for retirement.


http://www.ajc.com/news/content/opinion/1104/04edmiller.html?UrAuth=aN`NUOcNXUbTTUWUXUUUZT[U^UWUbU]UZUcU[UcTYWVVZV

This election outcome should have been implausible, if not impossible. With a litany of complaints — bad economy, bad deficit, bad foreign war, bad gas prices — amplified by a national media that discarded any pretense of neutrality, a national opposition party should have won this election.

But the Democratic Party is no longer a national party. As difficult as the challenges are — both real and fabricated — Democrats offered no solution that was either believable or acceptable to vast regions of America.

Democratic Party policies haven't sold in large sections of America in decades, and the only success of Democrats in presidential elections for 40 years was when they pitched themselves as pro-growth, low-tax, strong-defense, fiscally responsible, values-oriented candidates.

Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton hummed the tune but never really sang the song, and that's why Democrat prospects have gone south in the South. In 1980, the South had 20 Democrats and just six Republicans in the Senate. As recently as 1994, the Senate had 17 Democrats and nine Republicans from the South.

A decade later, the number had reversed to 17 Republicans and nine Democrats. With this election, it is 22 Republicans and just four Democrats from the South.

When will national Democrats sober up and admit that that dog won't hunt? Secular socialism, heavy taxes, big spending, weak defense, limitless lawsuits and heavy regulation — that pack of beagles hasn't caught a rabbit in the South or Midwest in years.
 

DJ_Tet

Banned
Pachinko said:
Why would you re-elect the worst president your countries had since Nixen over an intellegint guy that might have fixed your busted ass economy.



I'd love to know why Nixon is such a bad guy. I'm sick of people shitting on his legacy. He was the most popular President re-elected in history. He was about to get impeached when he stepped down. Do you know why? Watergate is not an acceptible answer. He was busted for covering up some cheating in an election that was one of the biggest landslides in history. Why did he do it? That's the eternal question. Make no mistake about it though, he was a very well-liked president. Is trying to cover-up for a worker worse than lying to the country? Apparently. History currently views Clinton much higher than Nixon, but I think that gap will close with time. Nixon lied for a friend, Clinton lied, took the nation through an impeachment etc etc.
 
DJ_Tet said:
I'd love to know why Nixon is such a bad guy. I'm sick of people shitting on his legacy. He was the most popular President re-elected in history. He was about to get impeached when he stepped down. Do you know why? Watergate is not an acceptible answer. He was busted for covering up some cheating in an election that was one of the biggest landslides in history. Why did he do it? That's the eternal question. Make no mistake about it though, he was a very well-liked president. Is trying to cover-up for a worker worse than lying to the country? Apparently. History currently views Clinton much higher than Nixon, but I think that gap will close with time. Nixon lied for a friend, Clinton lied, took the nation through an impeachment etc etc.

You might want to listen to some of the Nixon tapes and hear what he says in them. Pay attention to the negative comments about Jews, gays, Mexicans, blacks and other groups. IIRC, he wouldn't swear on the Bible for his inaugeration, but he still swore anyways in his office. History has been too kind to Nixon and many other presidents.

And I'm glad Clinton stood up to the impeachment.
 

AeroGod

Member
RiZ III said:

Your right, but dont equate it to slavery because that unfairly spins it to look evil when its not. Its a rural/city thing. Rural people are for Bush and the bigger cities voted kerry. If you look at states kerry won or came close to winning, like ohio and pennsylvania and others, the big city counties were blue and the rural counties were Bush red. Why do Rural people favor bush? I dont know, maybe because they can relate to him and IMO rural areas are more strongly religious. Thats how it is.

When you show a slavery map its unfair, it has nothing to do with slavery. Bush doesnt support slavery. The reason is the states that support slavery during the civil war had lots of farm land and rural areas, at thats where slaves were used the most.

Sure the rednecks voted Bush. Because those people can relate to him and put more trust in him then a big rich city guy like kerry, also the religion thing.

Dont bring shit like slavery into it. Bush doesnt support slavery. Your bringing dumb shit up just to be a smart ass dick.
 

duderon

rollin' in the gutter
AeroGod said:
Your right, but dont equate it to slavery because that unfairly spins it to look evil when its not. Its a rural/city thing. Rural people are for Bush and the bigger cities voted kerry. If you look at states kerry won or came close to winning, like ohio and pennsylvania and others, the big city counties were blue and the rural counties were Bush red. Why do Rural people favor bush? I dont know, maybe because they can relate to him and IMO rural areas are more strongly religious. Thats how it is.

When you show a slavery map its unfair, it has nothing to do with slavery. Bush doesnt support slavery. The reason is the states that support slavery during the civil war had lots of farm land and rural areas, at thats where slaves were used the most.

Sure the rednecks voted Bush. Because those people can relate to him and put more trust in him then a big rich city guy like kerry, also the religion thing.

Dont bring shit like slavery into it. Bush doesnt support slavery. Your bringing dumb shit up just to be a smart ass dick.

He didn't say anything about slavery, calm down. This election was very backwards, though, pretty much the exact same states going to the same party.
 

Socreges

Banned
AeroGod said:
Your right, but dont equate it to slavery because that unfairly spins it to look evil when its not. Its a rural/city thing. Rural people are for Bush and the bigger cities voted kerry. If you look at states kerry won or came close to winning, like ohio and pennsylvania and others, the big city counties were blue and the rural counties were Bush red. Why do Rural people favor bush? I dont know, maybe because they can relate to him and IMO rural areas are more strongly religious. Thats how it is.

When you show a slavery map its unfair, it has nothing to do with slavery. Bush doesnt support slavery. The reason is the states that support slavery during the civil war had lots of farm land and rural areas, at thats where slaves were used the most.

Sure the rednecks voted Bush. Because those people can relate to him and put more trust in him then a big rich city guy like kerry, also the religion thing.

Dont bring shit like slavery into it. Bush doesnt support slavery. Your bringing dumb shit up just to be a smart ass dick.
*sigh*
 

Dilbert

Member
AeroGod said:
Your right, but dont equate it to slavery because that unfairly spins it to look evil when its not. Its a rural/city thing. Rural people are for Bush and the bigger cities voted kerry. If you look at states kerry won or came close to winning, like ohio and pennsylvania and others, the big city counties were blue and the rural counties were Bush red. Why do Rural people favor bush? I dont know, maybe because they can relate to him and IMO rural areas are more strongly religious. Thats how it is.

When you show a slavery map its unfair, it has nothing to do with slavery. Bush doesnt support slavery. The reason is the states that support slavery during the civil war had lots of farm land and rural areas, at thats where slaves were used the most.

Sure the rednecks voted Bush. Because those people can relate to him and put more trust in him then a big rich city guy like kerry, also the religion thing.

Dont bring shit like slavery into it. Bush doesnt support slavery. Your bringing dumb shit up just to be a smart ass dick.
Chill the fuck out, for one thing.

The point of posting the two graphics is to show that there are demographic trends that have been around for well over a century that this country has yet to deal with.
 

KingV

Member
maharg said:
I find it bizarre that Americans think a 1-2% margin is "having your ass handed to you." You people clearly have a crazy notion of majorities.

Losing the Presidency, and having the opposing party win a majority in the House and Senate, and having your whip lose his seat, that's getting your ass handed to you.
 

Kiriku

SWEDISH PERFECTION
I don't understand why people mention Arnold for 2008. I thought he couldn't become the president, since he wasn't born in the US? Did that change recently?

And still, seeing Arnold as president would be bizarre, almost like an insult to all the people who struggle all their life to become presidents. But it would also be sad since I doubt people choose Arnold because of his great political mind. Big smile, thumbs up, A-ha ha let's kick ass, terminate the bad guys! Arnold feels so fake, super-stale, like he's a robot who's gone through a PR training machiiiine. I mean, his staleness and accent is what makes him a funny and likeable guy, but still. It works in his movies, but in real-life the script is more complex, and there's no shooting with weapons an tings of dat neeture. ;)
 

Diablos

Member
Kerry's loss is bothering me more than I thought. I still can't believe its over.

BTW, that United States of Texas is actually pretty accurate :|
 

ge-man

Member
Diablos said:
Kerry's loss is bothering me more than I thought. I still can't believe its over.

BTW, that United States of Texas is actually pretty accurate :|

It's definately tough, though I'm more distressed by the fact that the war wasn't a primary issue and that the gay marriage ban past so effortlessly.

I'm disappointed, but I'm not at the point where I want to leave the country. If anything, I think I'm even more motivated now to give our government kick in the balls. At some point, we on the left or the center need to stop licking the wounds and start competing with the other party. We aren't going to save our rights without early and organized action from the top and all the way down to the grass roots level. We need to look forward and start preparing for a serious run in the next mid-term election.
 

Diablos

Member
That's what I mean. I guess people forgot about wars since their church told them to vote on the issues of gay marriage and abortion. Unbelievable. How can all these people be so stupid? Whatever happened to thinking for yourself?
 

Koshiro

Member
Ghost said:
OMG :lol :lol :lol

I'm tempted to make a trip to the news agents just to see that hahahahahaha.. couldn't have put it better myself... this paper is now my hero.
 

Ripclawe

Banned
http://www.nypost.com/gossip/pagesix_u.htm

DEMOCRATS buoyed by errant exit polls went out to celebrate on Election Night, but ended up drowning their sorrows at somber gatherings, dumbstruck that John Kerry had lost to George W. Bush.

The bash Harvey Weinstein and Georgette Mosbacher threw at The Palm on West 50th Street was supposed to be bipartisan. But since Republicans are as scarce in Manhattan as snail darters, Georgette and her GOP friends were heavily outnumbered by Harvey and his Democratic devotees.

As midnight approached and Ohio was declared a red state, the mood turned funereal. Tina Brown made for the exit with her husband, Sir Harry Evans, saying, "I have to go home and put an ice bag on my head."

Also looking grim were Bianca Jagger, who is described these days as a "human rights activist," voter registration driver Russell Simmons, and Lally Weymouth, whose family controls the Washington Post.

As Barbara Walters, Howard Stringer, Gigi Stone, Teddy Forstmann, Leonard and Alison Stern, and Hearst chairman/CEO Walter Ganzi watched the TV monitors, Manhattan DA Robert Morgenthau worked the crowd with his wife, Lucinda Franks, showing that he's still got what it takes at 85 to fend off a challenge from Leslie Crocker Snyder.

The biggest smile in the house was on the face of Giuseppe Cipriani. The restaurateur was with Yvonne Scio, the gorgeous Italian actress who was once engaged to Rocco DiSpirito. Cipriani laughed, "She used to go out with a cook."

George Soros, the hedge fund billionaire who spent at least $27 million trying to defeat Bush, threw a party in his Upper East Side apartment where Lauren Hutton, Denise Rich, Barry Diller and Diane von Furstenberg devoured lamb chops as Kerry crashed and burned. But Soros maintained a stiff upper lip. "He's proud of what he's done," said one guest.

Things were livelier at the Park Avenue maisonette of Bill and Pat Buckley. Republicans Henry and Nancy Kissinger, Oscar and Annette de la Renta and Drue Heinz watched the votes come in.

In L.A., the place to be was David Geffen's mansion, where Nicole Kidman, Tom Hanks, Ellen DeGeneres, Will Ferrell, Steve Martin and Warren Beatty and Annette Bening came to party, and ended up consoling each other. Sources said Geffen had laid up cases and cases of vintage champagne, and not one bottle was uncorked.
 
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