MIMIC said:What if all those provisional/absentee ballots tip the scale toward Kerry, then he can, classically, hold up the "Bush Win's Re-Election" papers.
There's always hope.
xsarien said:If you look at the rundown of where all of the provisional ballots are from, only a small chunk of them are from "blue" counties in Ohio.
The Akron Beacon JournalThe bulk of the provisional ballots were cast in urban counties that favored Kerry: 24,788 in Cuyahoga County, 14,446 in Franklin, 9,227 in Montgomery, 6,719 in Lucas, 5,932 in Summit County, and 6,653 in Stark. But another 14,386 were cast in traditionally Republican Hamilton County.
KingV said:No, you're not. Are the creationists lying? They obviously believe despite evidence to the contrary, and the evidence was not 100% clear cut at the time, moreso in hindsight. Bush clearly thought he had more evidence, or better information from some other Non UN source. Clearly, many Bush detractors like to paint it as clear cut, and something the world as a whole has known from day one, but I remember October 2002, and that's not what the main argument was. Most people were arguing that Iraq had very few WMD, or hadn't produced more in years, so what htey had left had probably spoiled, or even if they did have them it didn't constitute a threat, then there were some people that said he had completely disarmed. IT was definitely not completely clear that Iraq was WMD free. It's just convenient to think of it that way now if you dislike Bush, because it paints him in a worse light.
MIMIC said:
KingV said:Lie implies that he deliberately misled people, i.e. fabricated evidence, made up things. I don't believe that is true, nor is there evidence of some vast right wing conspiracy that did this.
Pachinko said:being hated by every single country on earth when you travel.
Pachinko said:
This basically sums up my thoughts on the election right here. I mean seriously America WHAT THE FUCK ? Why would you re-elect the worst president your countries had since Nixen over an intellegint guy that might have fixed your busted ass economy. Seriously, since Bush has been in power the canadian dollar 'rose'(technically your dollar dropped) from 67 to 83 cents. I and many other people could go on and on but WHY ? Oh well enjoy 4 more years of miserable economy, non existant foreign policy, an idiot that looks like a monkey has your leader and finally being hated by every single country on earth when you travel.
Do The Mario said:Same with the Australian dollar
Before Bush
1 Australian dollar = 49 US cents
Now
1 Australian dollar = 74 US cents and climbing big time!
Thank you president bush for increasing the strength of foreign currencies against youre own, who said bush didnt have a strong foreign policy?
Hammy said:IIRC, they did this so that our exports would be cheaper. Going abroad for tourism would cost more so more people are staying within the country.
Fresh Prince said:Wait eggplant got a name change to Hammy.
Can I change my name to Licorice Sticks?
Thanks Mods
Anyway a high aussie dollar isn't always benefical we can't really import more than we export otherwise inflation goes up.
siamesedreamer said:
You people need to wake up and realize that this is exactly why y'all lost this election. It is the condescending, elitest, "I know what's right for you" crowd that has taken your party way to the left and hasn't listened to anybody in the last four years. Y'all have gotten your asses handed to you in two straight elections. It hasn't even been close. In 24 years y'all have gone to having 20 out of 26 senators from the south to having 4 out of the 26 senators in the south. There is a reason why that has happened.
This was the far left's last chance at any kind of a power grab and it failed. It failed miserably. GET OVER IT. PEOPLE DON'T WANT THAT KIND OF AMERICA. Y'all need to smell the coffee and realize that being the party of Nancy Pelosi doesn't play on Main Street. It is right now y'all have to make the decision to move away from Hillary and Kerry and embrace the likes of Evan Byah of Indiana and Harold Ford of Tennessee. It is people like them that should be the future of the Democratic Party. Trying to hold on to the progressive coast idealogy and elitism will only lead to further disaster.
2006 is only 14 months away. How will y'all find yourselves? Its put up or shut up time.
Hammy said:uh it's British.
It can't be helped. I mean, I just read your post and thought throughout: "Wow, this guy is pretty stupid and ignorant." Then I thought how perfect it would be if I told you this.siamesedreamer said:You people need to wake up and realize that this is exactly why y'all lost this election. It is the condescending, elitest, "I know what's right for you" crowd that has taken your party way to the left and hasn't listened to anybody in the last four years. Y'all have gotten your asses handed to you in two straight elections. It hasn't even been close. In 24 years y'all have gone to having 20 out of 26 senators from the south to having 4 out of the 26 senators in the south. There is a reason why that has happened.
This was the far left's last chance at any kind of a power grab and it failed. It failed miserably. GET OVER IT. PEOPLE DON'T WANT THAT KIND OF AMERICA. Y'all need to smell the coffee and realize that being the party of Nancy Pelosi doesn't play on Main Street. It is right now y'all have to make the decision to move away from Hillary and Kerry and embrace the likes of Evan Byah of Indiana and Harold Ford of Tennessee. It is people like them that should be the future of the Democratic Party. Trying to hold on to the progressive coast idealogy and elitism will only lead to further disaster.
2006 is only 14 months away. How will y'all find yourselves? Its put up or shut up time.
:lol"For those of you would like to have gay sex or visit a library, you may want to know that this is your last night to do so."
:lol :lol"For me, I'll be killing two birds in one stone."
Damn what do those foreigners know, why they lost the war to us.Hammy said:uh it's British.
I find it bizarre that Americans think a 1-2% margin is "having your ass handed to you." You people clearly have a crazy notion of majorities.
Considering where "main street" is, I don't think I would want to be there.
It can't be helped. I mean, I just read your post and thought throughout: "Wow, this guy is pretty stupid and ignorant."
siamesedreamer said:I clearly understand that its British. But, the condescending line at the bottom is the pervasive attitude of the left at the moment.
Considering that not even Clinton got a majoirty vote, it is a clear victory. Besides, I was refering to the ass handing done in the congressional elections - you know, where policy is actually given the go ahead.
+4 in the Senate
+3 in the house
=
ass handing
That's your choice. You're clearly in the minority.
Remember Clinton had to deal with more powerful third party candidates. Thus, vote percentages were split amongst more people. Margin of difference is a better indicater of relative strengths between two leaders.siamesedreamer said:Considering that not even Clinton got a majoirty vote, it is a clear victory. Besides, I was refering to the ass handing done in the congressional elections - you know, where policy is actually given the go ahead.
+4 in the Senate
+3 in the house
=
ass handing
That's your choice. You're clearly in the minority.
And that is why y'all will continue to lose.
This election outcome should have been implausible, if not impossible. With a litany of complaints bad economy, bad deficit, bad foreign war, bad gas prices amplified by a national media that discarded any pretense of neutrality, a national opposition party should have won this election.
But the Democratic Party is no longer a national party. As difficult as the challenges are both real and fabricated Democrats offered no solution that was either believable or acceptable to vast regions of America.
Democratic Party policies haven't sold in large sections of America in decades, and the only success of Democrats in presidential elections for 40 years was when they pitched themselves as pro-growth, low-tax, strong-defense, fiscally responsible, values-oriented candidates.
Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton hummed the tune but never really sang the song, and that's why Democrat prospects have gone south in the South. In 1980, the South had 20 Democrats and just six Republicans in the Senate. As recently as 1994, the Senate had 17 Democrats and nine Republicans from the South.
A decade later, the number had reversed to 17 Republicans and nine Democrats. With this election, it is 22 Republicans and just four Democrats from the South.
When will national Democrats sober up and admit that that dog won't hunt? Secular socialism, heavy taxes, big spending, weak defense, limitless lawsuits and heavy regulation that pack of beagles hasn't caught a rabbit in the South or Midwest in years.
Pachinko said:Why would you re-elect the worst president your countries had since Nixen over an intellegint guy that might have fixed your busted ass economy.
DJ_Tet said:I'd love to know why Nixon is such a bad guy. I'm sick of people shitting on his legacy. He was the most popular President re-elected in history. He was about to get impeached when he stepped down. Do you know why? Watergate is not an acceptible answer. He was busted for covering up some cheating in an election that was one of the biggest landslides in history. Why did he do it? That's the eternal question. Make no mistake about it though, he was a very well-liked president. Is trying to cover-up for a worker worse than lying to the country? Apparently. History currently views Clinton much higher than Nixon, but I think that gap will close with time. Nixon lied for a friend, Clinton lied, took the nation through an impeachment etc etc.
RiZ III said:
hmmmm
AeroGod said:Your right, but dont equate it to slavery because that unfairly spins it to look evil when its not. Its a rural/city thing. Rural people are for Bush and the bigger cities voted kerry. If you look at states kerry won or came close to winning, like ohio and pennsylvania and others, the big city counties were blue and the rural counties were Bush red. Why do Rural people favor bush? I dont know, maybe because they can relate to him and IMO rural areas are more strongly religious. Thats how it is.
When you show a slavery map its unfair, it has nothing to do with slavery. Bush doesnt support slavery. The reason is the states that support slavery during the civil war had lots of farm land and rural areas, at thats where slaves were used the most.
Sure the rednecks voted Bush. Because those people can relate to him and put more trust in him then a big rich city guy like kerry, also the religion thing.
Dont bring shit like slavery into it. Bush doesnt support slavery. Your bringing dumb shit up just to be a smart ass dick.
*sigh*AeroGod said:Your right, but dont equate it to slavery because that unfairly spins it to look evil when its not. Its a rural/city thing. Rural people are for Bush and the bigger cities voted kerry. If you look at states kerry won or came close to winning, like ohio and pennsylvania and others, the big city counties were blue and the rural counties were Bush red. Why do Rural people favor bush? I dont know, maybe because they can relate to him and IMO rural areas are more strongly religious. Thats how it is.
When you show a slavery map its unfair, it has nothing to do with slavery. Bush doesnt support slavery. The reason is the states that support slavery during the civil war had lots of farm land and rural areas, at thats where slaves were used the most.
Sure the rednecks voted Bush. Because those people can relate to him and put more trust in him then a big rich city guy like kerry, also the religion thing.
Dont bring shit like slavery into it. Bush doesnt support slavery. Your bringing dumb shit up just to be a smart ass dick.
Chill the fuck out, for one thing.AeroGod said:Your right, but dont equate it to slavery because that unfairly spins it to look evil when its not. Its a rural/city thing. Rural people are for Bush and the bigger cities voted kerry. If you look at states kerry won or came close to winning, like ohio and pennsylvania and others, the big city counties were blue and the rural counties were Bush red. Why do Rural people favor bush? I dont know, maybe because they can relate to him and IMO rural areas are more strongly religious. Thats how it is.
When you show a slavery map its unfair, it has nothing to do with slavery. Bush doesnt support slavery. The reason is the states that support slavery during the civil war had lots of farm land and rural areas, at thats where slaves were used the most.
Sure the rednecks voted Bush. Because those people can relate to him and put more trust in him then a big rich city guy like kerry, also the religion thing.
Dont bring shit like slavery into it. Bush doesnt support slavery. Your bringing dumb shit up just to be a smart ass dick.
Hammy said:\ History has been too kind to Nixon and many other presidents.
maharg said:I find it bizarre that Americans think a 1-2% margin is "having your ass handed to you." You people clearly have a crazy notion of majorities.
Diablos said:Kerry's loss is bothering me more than I thought. I still can't believe its over.
BTW, that United States of Texas is actually pretty accurate :|
I'd rather have a bitch that knows what she's doing than a complete dumbass.xexex said:the bitch is coming
OMG :lol :lol :lolGhost said:
SO true.
DEMOCRATS buoyed by errant exit polls went out to celebrate on Election Night, but ended up drowning their sorrows at somber gatherings, dumbstruck that John Kerry had lost to George W. Bush.
The bash Harvey Weinstein and Georgette Mosbacher threw at The Palm on West 50th Street was supposed to be bipartisan. But since Republicans are as scarce in Manhattan as snail darters, Georgette and her GOP friends were heavily outnumbered by Harvey and his Democratic devotees.
As midnight approached and Ohio was declared a red state, the mood turned funereal. Tina Brown made for the exit with her husband, Sir Harry Evans, saying, "I have to go home and put an ice bag on my head."
Also looking grim were Bianca Jagger, who is described these days as a "human rights activist," voter registration driver Russell Simmons, and Lally Weymouth, whose family controls the Washington Post.
As Barbara Walters, Howard Stringer, Gigi Stone, Teddy Forstmann, Leonard and Alison Stern, and Hearst chairman/CEO Walter Ganzi watched the TV monitors, Manhattan DA Robert Morgenthau worked the crowd with his wife, Lucinda Franks, showing that he's still got what it takes at 85 to fend off a challenge from Leslie Crocker Snyder.
The biggest smile in the house was on the face of Giuseppe Cipriani. The restaurateur was with Yvonne Scio, the gorgeous Italian actress who was once engaged to Rocco DiSpirito. Cipriani laughed, "She used to go out with a cook."
George Soros, the hedge fund billionaire who spent at least $27 million trying to defeat Bush, threw a party in his Upper East Side apartment where Lauren Hutton, Denise Rich, Barry Diller and Diane von Furstenberg devoured lamb chops as Kerry crashed and burned. But Soros maintained a stiff upper lip. "He's proud of what he's done," said one guest.
Things were livelier at the Park Avenue maisonette of Bill and Pat Buckley. Republicans Henry and Nancy Kissinger, Oscar and Annette de la Renta and Drue Heinz watched the votes come in.
In L.A., the place to be was David Geffen's mansion, where Nicole Kidman, Tom Hanks, Ellen DeGeneres, Will Ferrell, Steve Martin and Warren Beatty and Annette Bening came to party, and ended up consoling each other. Sources said Geffen had laid up cases and cases of vintage champagne, and not one bottle was uncorked.