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GAF Post-Election Country Jamboree Bitchfest Catch-All Thread O' Doom
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So many of the Republicans here seem see this as a WIN/LOSS election. That the win is for pride and people are upset because they lost. No, people are upset because the next four years MAY be even worse.Celicar said:
This isn't bitterness. Bitterness suggests that the worst has past. In fact, maybe the fucking worst has yet to come.
I dunno. I think Bush has done a great job, and even if he only does half as many great things that he did in his first term, it'll still be a very successful second term.
My main concern was the economy, and Bush has fixed it. He has given us tax breaks and millions of jobs. I honestly don't care about the foreign policy, but he's done a fantastic job there too. He's the real deal.
My main concern was the economy, and Bush has fixed it. He has given us tax breaks and millions of jobs. I honestly don't care about the foreign policy, but he's done a fantastic job there too. He's the real deal.
Thanks, but I'm not a registered democrat and hardly liberal. I just voted for them this time because, hey, we either re-elect arguably the worst president in the past 30 years (which, apparently, we did, because the religious right is a group of fucking moronic sheep) or we can go for somebody who may not be a great president but would definitely be better.KingV said:
and Bush and his administration did lie. They claimed over and over again that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction - they didn't. They claimed Iraq had ties to al-qaeda - they didn't. When evidence flew in the face of these assertions, the administration stuck their fingers in their ears and shouted "na na na na, I can't hear you." Spin it all you want - blame bad intelligence (when the administration had months of UN inspections telling them that there was no evidence of weapons of mass destruction and went to war anyway) but the fact remains that the Bush administration ignored the truth of the situation to carry out their own agenda. Maybe if you're transferred to a unit where none of your vehicles have the proper armor to deal with explosives, you'll actually think about things beyond "well I hate michael moore so I'm voting against him."
videogamer
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Celicar said:
link?
Do The Mario
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Celicar said:
Have you posted anything constructive at all in any of the election threads??
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What? Says who? Are you the official authority on election mandate?
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=mandate
Dictionary.com does not seem to sway either way as to what constitutes a mandate. I'd like to see your authoritative sources on what is or what is not a mandate by the public. I think if over 50% of registered voters prefers your policies to all other available choices, that is much more of a mandate than 49% of voters preferring you to all other available choices.
In all honesty though, I think the idea of a mandate is asinine, as clearly, winning an election by a resounding victory is not in actuality a mandate to do what you want to in all instances no matter how much you won by.
videogamer
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Celicar said:
please provide a link for the "millions of jobs" thing.
Also, he's going to have to work for our support. It's not going to be like post-9/11 where he gets to hitch us to the back of his truck and drags us across the countryside.
Do The Mario
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Celicar said:
Youre failure to post anything constructive is whats annoying me, while I am not happy with the election result I except it.
If you cant post anything that can stimulate robust debate please refrain from posting.
I am Australian anyway.
Bush lied.
Now, you may distort the word lie to mean different things.
Consider this.
The best form of intelligence that we had was on the ground in Iraq, in the form of UN Inspectors. These people were led to places marked as hotspots by American and British intelligence agencies.
They found no weapons. Was the intelligence flawed? No... Again, they found no weapons. So the most reliable form of intelligence concluded that there were no weapons.
Yet...Bush and his friends still claimed that there were WMDs. After presenting their case to the UN, it was ripped apart by scientists around the globe, as well as in the United States.
The only evidence that WMDs ever existed were in the minds of the Bush Administration. American and British intelligence agencies didn't have proof (and if they did a UN Coalition would have been made in a matter of days), and scientists all over the globe agreed, before invasion, that WMDs didn't exist.
I can't believe how incredibly forgetful some of you people are! The term "brain-dead mindless sheep" is really applicable in this situation! Bush says it was "faulty intelligence" and you people accept it as a valid excuse? Especially when it was shown to be faulty BEFORE the invasion?
And do you forget how the ultimatum changed, as the World laughed at Bush's claims? A week before in the invasion the focus was NOT on the WMD issue, but on Saddam and his sons. The ultimatum Bush gave to Saddam right before invasion was not "get rid of your WMDs", it was "get out of Iraq".
I can't believe how anyone could forget such important things so easily!!
Now, you may distort the word lie to mean different things.
Consider this.
The best form of intelligence that we had was on the ground in Iraq, in the form of UN Inspectors. These people were led to places marked as hotspots by American and British intelligence agencies.
They found no weapons. Was the intelligence flawed? No... Again, they found no weapons. So the most reliable form of intelligence concluded that there were no weapons.
Yet...Bush and his friends still claimed that there were WMDs. After presenting their case to the UN, it was ripped apart by scientists around the globe, as well as in the United States.
The only evidence that WMDs ever existed were in the minds of the Bush Administration. American and British intelligence agencies didn't have proof (and if they did a UN Coalition would have been made in a matter of days), and scientists all over the globe agreed, before invasion, that WMDs didn't exist.
I can't believe how incredibly forgetful some of you people are! The term "brain-dead mindless sheep" is really applicable in this situation! Bush says it was "faulty intelligence" and you people accept it as a valid excuse? Especially when it was shown to be faulty BEFORE the invasion?
And do you forget how the ultimatum changed, as the World laughed at Bush's claims? A week before in the invasion the focus was NOT on the WMD issue, but on Saddam and his sons. The ultimatum Bush gave to Saddam right before invasion was not "get rid of your WMDs", it was "get out of Iraq".
I can't believe how anyone could forget such important things so easily!!
Sal Paradise Jr said:
I just started reading the thread, so I don't know if this has been covered yet. Chris Rock made the point that there will never be a black VP before a black President. Why? Because the black VP is just one step away. Chris Rock said "Hell I'd shoot him myself. What are they gonna do? Throw me in jail with a bunch of people who idolize me and treat me like a God?"
Like most of the things Rock says, it's funny and very true. No way Obama runs without being the lead candidate.
I hope you understand that people are "bitching" about something pretty serious to them. You are, in turn, bitching about people bad-mouthing your president where you can't defend him. Why haven't you said anything constructive? Because you CAN'T. What the fuck are you going to say?Celicar said:
Exactly. You're better off staying quiet.
Do The Mario
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Rofl at the sun thats classic
Pure tabloid
Pure tabloid
Do The Mario
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Celicar said:
I study international politics you simpleton, and I brought up a lot of topics for discussion in the official election thread.
Do The Mario
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Okay Celicar I will ask you some question to see what you know about politics and maybe you can say something constructive.
1. What Fiscal policy has the Bush government implemented to restore the economy?
2. As the worlds hegemonic power do you think it is vital for the United States to set a suitable precedent for foreign relations and policy?
3. Do you think the world is safer now then four years ago?
4. Can you justify spending millions of dollars on a war with Iraq when America has such a poor health and welfare system.
And yes the irony is good, maybe I should be allowed to Vote in the US elections?
1. What Fiscal policy has the Bush government implemented to restore the economy?
2. As the worlds hegemonic power do you think it is vital for the United States to set a suitable precedent for foreign relations and policy?
3. Do you think the world is safer now then four years ago?
4. Can you justify spending millions of dollars on a war with Iraq when America has such a poor health and welfare system.
And yes the irony is good, maybe I should be allowed to Vote in the US elections?
Fight for Freeform said:
Lie implies that he deliberately misled people, i.e. fabricated evidence, made up things. I don't believe that is true, nor is there evidence of some vast right wing conspiracy that did this. All you have proven is that Bush was perhaps feeble minded, easily led on, so convinced by earlier reports that he ignored conflicting evidence, etc. Being wrong is not the same thing as lying. Saying that being wrong is lying is a gross distortion, in fact.
If I said the Yankees won the World Series this year, and I watched the Red Sox win on TV, then that's a lie. If I have no clue and just say that because I heard some guy down the street say it, then I'm just wrong. It's really not a difficult distinction.
Do The Mario
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I am watching the nightly business report, how fair and balanced is there coverage?
andthebeatgoeson
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:lol at Kerry: 'Why the long face?'
videogamer
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Raoul Duke said:Man, why did it take so fucking long for Delta to get banned?
Oh, and
Baja Canada would like to bring along Las Vegas too. It's interesting how they chose the just the blue counties in California but did not do the same for the other states.
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I did, it also seemed totally fabricated compared to Clinton or Bush...eggplant said:
maybe you are right and he was, but he didn't really make it a part of his public policy life, whereas Bush, Gore, and Clinton didn't seem to mind the influence...
KingV said:
Personally, I'd rather have a determined President who lies about a blowjob than a determined, honest one that is feeble minded and easily led on. No one ever jumps on John Kennedy's shit for in all likelihood banging the hell out of Marilyn Monroe, so I never did understand the fascination and outrage surrounding Clinton's minor sexual adventures. It's nothing to be proud of, but still... impeachment? I wish Congress was working that hard right now to clean up the fucking mess in Iraq.
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efralope said:
Uh, so how do you make it look less "fabricated"?
can you clarify with specifics?
3pheMeraLmiX said:
No, you're not. Are the creationists lying? They obviously believe despite evidence to the contrary, and the evidence was not 100% clear cut at the time, moreso in hindsight. Bush clearly thought he had more evidence, or better information from some other Non UN source. Clearly, many Bush detractors like to paint it as clear cut, and something the world as a whole has known from day one, but I remember October 2002, and that's not what the main argument was. Most people were arguing that Iraq had very few WMD, or hadn't produced more in years, so what htey had left had probably spoiled, or even if they did have them it didn't constitute a threat, then there were some people that said he had completely disarmed. IT was definitely not completely clear that Iraq was WMD free. It's just convenient to think of it that way now if you dislike Bush, because it paints him in a worse light.
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theo said:
they need to fix some errors. Like Vancouver Island belongs in Canada. And they need a standard way of defining blue territory. By county or by state.
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Socreges said:
Shit. I even looked it up on Google beforehand to make sure that I had the right name. But I still put down the wrong one.
ErasureAcer
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Celicar said:
You do know Leonardo Dicaprio supports Kerry, right? He'd disapprove of your endorsement, maybe you should take your avatar down. I can only hope that famous people with chutzpah say "fuck this nation" and stop making movies for Americans, stop playing sports, stop making music and punish the Americans for their choice. They're rich enough...they can do without it.
But nope...they'll keep working and their multimillion contracts will be taxed to support GWs illegal wars. I wish I lived in a society where people actually saw how everything is linked together. Sadly I don't.
I propose that the Republican party change its emblem from an elephant to a condom.
Rationale: a condom more clearly and appropriately reflects the party's
stance today because a condom accepts inflation, halts production, destroys the next
generation, protects a bunch of pricks, and gives you a sense of security while you're actually getting fucked.
edit: not my quote
Rationale: a condom more clearly and appropriately reflects the party's
stance today because a condom accepts inflation, halts production, destroys the next
generation, protects a bunch of pricks, and gives you a sense of security while you're actually getting fucked.
edit: not my quote
I could go on and on about this. Believe me I wrote an entire document on this subject with a friend.
Let me just leave you with this...2 days before sending troops into Iraq, Rumsfeld said, "It is clear that the Iraqis have weapons of mass destruction.".
Tell me now....was it clear?
Well you do know about the whole AIPAC issue that's been...well, is supposed to be on most American headlines? I won't say conspiracy, but there is more than enough evidence that something shady was going on.
If he knew where the WMDs were, or he felt that they were still in the country, he should have allowed the UN inspectors to do their jobs. The fact that he rushed when Iraq posed no threat, shows us that he wasn't interested in the results.
If you said that the World was flat...oh wait.
I never said he was simply wrong. I said he was shown to be wrong, and yet he persisted, and when no one believed him, he changed the subject. He tried to lie, and the World didn't buy it, thus a different ultimatum to Iraq was brought about. Unfortunately while the World knew that he had no evidence, half of the American people actually believed him.
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