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[TheWorthyEdge]

Looks like gorlak isn't going to get any traction.

Yalls loss.

Vote: Acohrs

Inconsistent logic, bad reads lists, same reasons as before.

Will read over wamd after work is over though, need to see if there is a case there beyond meta game stuff. Don't have a good read on swamped either, some bad mojo but I'm almost certain that's just residual omgus. Will look at her too if possible to form a meaningful read.

Acohrs and sorian need to move their votes or else make a case for why splinter is lying/wrong.

Why vote gorlak? Genuinely curious.

Splinter with the role claim. Don't know if I should believe him but the fact no one else stepped up to challenge it and say "No, I'm the watcher!" is interesting and leads me to believe it.

 

[franconp]

Why vote gorlak? Genuinely curious.

Splinter with the role claim. Don't know if I should believe him but the fact no one else stepped up to challenge it and say "No, I'm the watcher!" is interesting and leads me to believe it.

Splinter never said that he was a watcher. He didn't give any specifics.

 

[Kawl_USC]

Why vote gorlak? Genuinely curious.

Splinter with the role claim. Don't know if I should believe him but the fact no one else stepped up to challenge it and say "No, I'm the watcher!" is interesting and leads me to believe it.

Trying to figure out the reasoning behind the NK and using that to steer the direction towards Splinter and Sorian off of vote changes day 2, being one of three or four people to throw some light shade my way with out providing any substance behind it (swamped being the other main person doing this) which feels like laying ground work for a mislynch on me down the line late game, and gryvans complete lack of a presence before gorlak subbed into the spot.

 

[franconp]

Thinking about it a watcher bot even matches with the roleclaim that Splinter did as a watcher can't get green checks.

Why did you said a watcher?

 

[Swamped]

2. My splinter read has changed drastically today. I believe his claim and believe he is town.

Fair enough to your other points. But that Splinter comment came before Splinter made his full claim. I understand changing your read after his claim.

Splinter with the role claim. Don't know if I should believe him but the fact no one else stepped up to challenge it and say "No, I'm the watcher!" is interesting and leads me to believe it.

How did you come to the watcher conclusion? I don't think splinter claimed a particular role.

Thinking about it a watcher bot even matches with the roleclaim that Splinter did as a watcher can't get green checks.

But Splinter claimed a green check...A watcher spends the night staring at a particular person and sees whoever visited them. That wouldn't result in a green check. I don't understand Fran's point here.

 

[WhereAreMahDragonz]

Fair enough to your other points. But that Splinter comment came before Splinter made his full claim. I understand changing your read after his claim.



How did you come to the watcher conclusion? I don't think splinter claimed a particular role.



But Splinter claimed a green check...A watcher spends the night staring at a particular person and sees whoever visited them. That wouldn't result in a green check. I don't understand Fran's point here.

My read of splinter has been based on little to no information on him and his lack of engagement striked me as odd, because (and I know this is going to sound hypocritical) but I expected him to be more active. Now I see why this was the case, but at the time, I didn't know. It was a gut read and yeah, even though in hindsight I was wrong, I still stand by my reads of him at the time.

 

[franconp]

Fair enough to your other points. But that Splinter comment came before Splinter made his full claim. I understand changing your read after his claim.



How did you come to the watcher conclusion? I don't think splinter claimed a particular role.



But Splinter claimed a green check...A watcher spends the night staring at a particular person and sees whoever visited them. That wouldn't result in a green check. I don't understand Fran's point here.

That's what I said. A watcher can't get green checks so Splinter shouldn't be a watcher.

 

[WhereAreMahDragonz]

In addition I wanted my read to prod him a bit. I wanted to see if and how he would react.

 

[YesNOnoNOYes]

DAY 4 CURRENT VOTE TALLY:

acohrs (5)
flatearthpandas 2750
StanleyPalmtree 2793
franconp 3018
WhereAreMahDragonz 3032
Kawl_USC 3100

WhereAreMahDragonz (3)
Gorlak 2913
Swamped 3083
CCS 3095

Faddy (2)
CCS 2816 3095
Sorian 2994
acohrs 3023

Swamped (2)
TheWorthyEdge 2791
*Splinter 2898

Sorian (1)
Faddy 2903

TheWorthyEdge (0): Sorian 2910 2994, Swamped 3076 3083

Bronx-Man (0): Kyanrute 2911 2977

Gorlak (0): Kawl_USC 2835 3100

*Splinter (0): Swamped 2783 3073

No active vote for Day 4: Bronx-Man, Burbeting, Kyanrute (has previously voted)


Day 4 ends:

Automated vote tally here

9 votes for majority

 

[TheWorthyEdge]

Splinter never said that he was a watcher. He didn't give any specifics.

Thinking about it a watcher bot even matches with the roleclaim that Splinter did as a watcher can't get green checks.

Why did you said a watcher?

Fair enough to your other points. But that Splinter comment came before Splinter made his full claim. I understand changing your read after his claim.



How did you come to the watcher conclusion? I don't think splinter claimed a particular role.



But Splinter claimed a green check...A watcher spends the night staring at a particular person and sees whoever visited them. That wouldn't result in a green check. I don't understand Fran's point here.

I just assumed that him saying he has a green check means that he saw Faddy do nothing that night:

Before this takes us any further off course, I'm going to give a partial claim.

I have a green check on Faddy (N2).

So I know his slip was innocent (unless this result has been interfered with somehow which is certainly a concern).

His "slip" was immediately jumped on by Sorian and Kawl. Might sound weird but I read nothing into this - it's exactly how I'd react without a green check or as scum.

Though Faddy still could be scum but he didn't submit NK or whatever.

The 2nd bolded part also makes me think that he suggests his "watcher" abilities could have been switched or something.

That's how I saw it.

 

[WhereAreMahDragonz]

I just assumed that him saying he has a green check means that he saw Faddy do nothing that night:



Though Faddy still could be scum but he didn't submit NK or whatever.

The 2nd bolded part also makes me think that he suggests his "watcher" abilities could have been switched or something.

That's how I saw it.

I took it as he checked Faddy with a cop ability and is concerned about a framer of some kind.

 

[TheWorthyEdge]

Ohhh maybe watcher wasn't a good term. Cop I guess is what I meant. Thanks Swamped for clearing up the roles for me :lol

BUT hey...there were a couple games in which I played where the Main Baddy was perceived as Town even if a cop watched him. Not saying that's what's happening here but it could be a possibility.

 

[WhereAreMahDragonz]

Beauty and the Beast time be back in a few hours

 

[TheWorthyEdge]

Beauty and the Beast time be back in a few hours

Ooooooh! Have fun! Heard it's good.

 

[Kawl_USC]

Tracker is the term you are looking for TWE.

Again we find using terms just slightly incorrectly to further muddy the waters. Between lynch/NK, watcher/tracker, bus/bandwagon it sometimes becomes hard to parse the exact meaning behind posts which is not great for a game based around discussion. I know the jargon can be finicky but let's try to stay on top of it please.

 

[Sorian]

Thing is, why would scum Faddy work so hard to show that Sorian is scum? Sorian hasn't been in the lynch running today. Seems like wasted effort. That's why i think Faddy really does scum read Sorian.

A moot quote now but if other scummates are up to be lynched, they'd have to pawn it off on someone.

Before this takes us any further off course, I'm going to give a partial claim.

I have a green check on Faddy (N2).

So I know his slip was innocent (unless this result has been interfered with somehow which is certainly a concern).

His "slip" was immediately jumped on by Sorian and Kawl. Might sound weird but I read nothing into this - it's exactly how I'd react without a green check or as scum.

I'm way more suspicious of people willing to shrug this off as if it was obviously a read, WAMD and (hello again) Swamped being the worst offenders at this.

Fine, I'm going back to what I was doing before then.

VOTE: TheWorthyEdge

His reaction to Bronx was still unnatural and his default play is the "woe is me" routine.

Faddy you should be aware there's a good chance you'll die tonight. Not telling you whether or not you should claim but making sure you recognise the situation.

I'm unavailable for the next 4 hours at least, will try to get on before deadline but might not be able to.

Might as well share one more bit of info before I go: I was blocked on N1 (while trying to target Verelios). So a blocker exists, alignment unknown.

Why are you telling Faddy to claim when you are more likely to die than he is? Also, why aren't you just saying what happened last night as well, you're already 2/3 of the claim?

 

[Faddy]

I just assumed that him saying he has a green check means that he saw Faddy do nothing that night:

Though Faddy still could be scum but he didn't submit NK or whatever.

The 2nd bolded part also makes me think that he suggests his "watcher" abilities could have been switched or something.

That's how I saw it.

I'm town. Don't worry about it.

If you want to get into CONSPIRACY THEORIES then maybe *Splinter is scum and he is claiming a fake green check on me to buy himself Townie Points when scum kill me tonight.

DUN DUN DUN.

I don't actually think that though. I've been very confident in *Splinter's play all game.

 

[TheWorthyEdge]

I'm town. Don't worry about it.

If you want to get into CONSPIRACY THEORIES then maybe *Splinter is scum and he is claiming a fake green check on me to buy himself Townie Points when scum kill me tonight.

DUN DUN DUN.

I don't actually think that though. I've been very confident in *Splinter's play all game.

No, no. I believe it. I believe you're town. I also believe *Splinter's telling the truth. Just pulling out anecdotes of past games and past roles that I've seen. Looking at different possibilities even if the way I do it is shamed upon...

 

[Sorian]

I'm town. Don't worry about it.

If you want to get into CONSPIRACY THEORIES then maybe *Splinter is scum and he is claiming a fake green check on me to buy himself Townie Points when scum kill me tonight.

DUN DUN DUN.

I don't actually think that though. I've been very confident in *Splinter's play all game.

Scum claiming cop right now could be ballsy scum if they don't have any roles guarding against a cop (framer/godfather), there are at least two sketchy things about his claim but I take it at face value for now.

 

[TheWorthyEdge]

Tracker is the term you are looking for TWE.

Again we find using terms just slightly incorrectly to further muddy the waters. Between lynch/NK, watcher/tracker, bus/bandwagon it sometimes becomes hard to parse the exact meaning behind posts which is not great for a game based around discussion. I know the jargon can be finicky but let's try to stay on top of it please.

Sorry, sorry. Didn't mean to mess anyone up.

 

[acohrs]

Wow a lot has happened since this morning, so Splinter and Faddy are seemingly town and less suspicious. They were my scummiest reads...

unvote

Will need to think who I think is now the most suspicious, probably back to Gorlak, Sorian, Burb, or Kyan.

 

[Faddy]

Scum claiming cop right now could be ballsy scum if they don't have any roles guarding against a cop (framer/godfather), there are at least two sketchy things about his claim but I take it at face value for now.

I don't think so. Surely Town has a cop who would counter claim.


While you are here though can you give any insight on why you think Swamped might be scum. You have put a vote on her 3 days in a row and reading through your vote posts all of the reasoning seems weak.

 

[TheWorthyEdge]

UNVOTE

Got a lot of things to look at over the past few pages.

 

[Sorian]

I don't think so. Surely Town has a cop who would counter claim.


While you are here though can you give any insight on why you think Swamped might be scum. You have put a vote on her 3 days in a row and reading through your vote posts all of the reasoning seems weak.

Town doesn't always get a cop. We already had a tracker which fills an investigative slot and if scum has no hard counter to a cop that's at least a slight hint that they can fake claim it and hope for the best. Splinter doesn't seem like the one they would have sent out there to do it though.

Her claim is garbage and she had odd stances early on and never did anything to make me change my opinion. She seems to only come out to post when she has pressure and always in giant block format which isn't easily digestible and a lot of people will skip over.

 

[TheWorthyEdge]

Town doesn't always get a cop. We already had a tracker which fills an investigative slot and if scum has no hard counter to a cop that's at least a slight hint that they can fake claim it and hope for the best. Splinter doesn't seem like the one they would have sent out there to do it though.

Her claim is garbage and she had odd stances early on and never did anything to make me change my opinion. She seems to only come out to post when she has pressure and always in giant block format which isn't easily digestible and a lot of people will skip over.

Did I miss a Swamped claim? I'm a buffoon so I probably did...

 

[franconp]

Did I miss a Swamped claim? I'm a buffoon so I probably did...

X-shot commuter. Check day 2.

 

[Faddy]

Town doesn't always get a cop. We already had a tracker which fills an investigative slot and if scum has no hard counter to a cop that's at least a slight hint that they can fake claim it and hope for the best. Splinter doesn't seem like the one they would have sent out there to do it though.

Her claim is garbage and she had odd stances early on and never did anything to make me change my opinion. She seems to only come out to post when she has pressure and always in giant block format which isn't easily digestible and a lot of people will skip over.

Ok. Sorian let's then go back to this post

I still suspect Swamped the most out of the pool. As Splinter is pointing out, she does seemed tied to acohrs based on vote patterns too which is my second from that list.

You suspect Swamped, you see the clear link to acohrs. All good reads. Acohrs is the leading lynch target but what is Sorian doing today?

Going after TWE for Bronx related nonsense.

This is the exact thing I accused you of doing before. Seeming townie, throwing out some nice reads but refusing to follow through.

 

[Sorian]

Ok. Sorian let's then go back to this post



You suspect Swamped, you see the clear link to acohrs. All good reads. Acohrs is the leading lynch target but what is Sorian doing today?

Going after TWE for Bronx related nonsense.

This is the exact thing I accused you of doing before. Seeming townie, throwing out some nice reads but refusing to follow through.

There is more than one scum player. People are already on acohrs, it isn't just Bronx non sense. No matter how many times you fling the shit, it doesn't suddenly make it true.

 

[Faddy]

There is more than one scum player. People are already on acohrs, it isn't just Bronx non sense. No matter how many times you fling the shit, it doesn't suddenly make it true.

There is more than 1 scum but we can only lynch 1 today.

Do you think acohrs is scum or not?

 

[TheWorthyEdge]

X-shot commuter. Check day 2.

That's odd...

Ok. Sorian let's then go back to this post



You suspect Swamped, you see the clear link to acohrs. All good reads. Acohrs is the leading lynch target but what is Sorian doing today?

Going after TWE for Bronx related nonsense.

This is the exact thing I accused you of doing before. Seeming townie, throwing out some nice reads but refusing to follow through.

This is really quite dumb. I don't understand how people vote for anyone other than who they believe is the scummiest. Just does not make sense to me.

Honestly, if we take out Sorian we may be able to find a link between him and Swamped. Sorian's been all over Swamped but doesn't seem to vote for him, or keep the vote. Find it really stupid and seems like a "trying to distance myself from a teammate" kind of deal.

VOTE: Sorian

Keeping this vote for the day unless something else comes up.

 

[TheWorthyEdge]

Also, don't really see how I'm playing a "woe is me" role.

If you're referring to when I was saying that if you vote me you're not going to get any info that doesn't make any sense. I wasn't playing games, I was being honest.

 

[franconp]

That's odd...



This is really quite dumb. I don't understand how people vote for anyone other than who they believe is the scummiest. Just does not make sense to me.

Honestly, if we take out Sorian we may be able to find a link between him and Swamped. Sorian's been all over Swamped but doesn't seem to vote for him, or keep the vote. Find it really stupid and seems like a "trying to distance myself from a teammate" kind of deal.

VOTE: Sorian

Keeping this vote for the day unless something else comes up.

Swamped is she.

 

[TheWorthyEdge]

Swamped is she.

Fuqqin. Hell.

Gals, if I ever refer to you as a "he" I am sorry...dammit. 😑

 

[acohrs]

Probably going to be the one lynched today so my vote won't matter but I'm still convinced that at least one of the 3 people that have for town lynches every day is scum. With Splinters partial claim, that clears faddy and him. That leaves only Sorian.

Vote: Sorian

My reasons may be 'weak' as kyanite and kawl suggest but until I know for certain that at least one of these 3 isn't scum then I won't change my mind. I will probably be dead and out of the game before that point but that's not important for achieving the ultimate goal, a town victory.

 

[Sorian]

Meh, Splinter and Fran know my role already and I find it to be worthless anyway, they can claim on my behalf and you can all decide if you think it's a scum role. Splinter, I said I'd spell your name wrong to be vague which I find funny because Kyan has quoted you a few times and called you Splints, the easier solution is look at the first letter of each sentence. Fran, as I said, I had to be lazy on yours, I was boarding a flight soon and couldn't hide anything fun in yours.

As for do I think Acohrs is scum, I do and I actually think he is more scummy than Swamped at this point but that is partially because I'm not swallowing this whole green check thing well and I'm in a slight tunnel and if Faddy we're scum then Swamped isn't.

And to Worthy, you want to know what's scummy? Quoting someone else's logic, taking it at face value when you did no real research on the case yourself, and then sheeting a vote. You did start today with a woe is me, "shit guys, I would have totally changed my vote if I was here, he was town and I would have rather voted the other unknown quantity"

 

[WhereAreMahDragonz]

Fuqqin. Hell.

Gals, if I ever refer to you as a "he" I am sorry...dammit. 😑

We're the only two in the game. Unless you count YNNY

 

[TheWorthyEdge]

Meh, Splinter and Fran know my role already and I find it to be worthless anyway, they can claim on my behalf and you can all decide if you think it's a scum role. Splinter, I said I'd spell your name wrong to be vague which I find funny because Kyan has quoted you a few times and called you Splints, the easier solution is look at the first letter of each sentence. Fran, as I said, I had to be lazy on yours, I was boarding a flight soon and couldn't hide anything fun in yours.

As for do I think Acohrs is scum, I do and I actually think he is more scummy than Swamped at this point but that is partially because I'm not swallowing this whole green check thing well and I'm in a slight tunnel and if Faddy we're scum then Swamped isn't.

And to Worthy, you want to know what's scummy? Quoting someone else's logic, taking it at face value when you did no real research on the case yourself, and then sheeting a vote. You did start today with a woe is me, "shit guys, I would have totally changed my vote if I was here, he was town and I would have rather voted the other unknown quantity"

But I was there. I was just hesitating switching votes and ultimately wasn't able to due the day ending.

 

[Sorian]

But I was there. I was just hesitating switching votes and ultimately wasn't able to due the day ending.

Regardless, why open telling us what you should have done? Why the guilt?

 

[Swamped]

That's odd...

...Odd that you missed my claim?

Her claim is garbage and she had odd stances early on and never did anything to make me change my opinion. She seems to only come out to post when she has pressure and always in giant block format which isn't easily digestible and a lot of people will skip over.

This post man... Where to even begin.

My claim is the truth. I have no idea what garbage you are seeing in it. Honestly this feels like scum trying to pry more info out of me because I'm a pain to kill at night. I post every day phase with my updated reads. It's not my problem if you are having problems reading through my "mega posts". In fact i remember you said my mega posts were good because they would leave a trail once i flipped or something (will try and link post later, on phone). I have been under a lot of pressure since my attack on Crab on D1, hence my posts do contain some defense - that's normal. But don't pretend i haven't been looking at all the players.

What are these 'odd stances' please?

One thing - i slightly town read Burb. Sorian agreed and posited that Burb might be the poisoner. Scum is generally interested in 3rd party killers.

I can see a scum Sorian now.

VOTE: Sorian

Let's make this lynch a reality. Welcome to the Day 4 Alliance.

Fuqqin. Hell.

Gals, if I ever refer to you as a "he" I am sorry...dammit. 😑

Apology accepted

 

[Sorian]

Oh right and to prove myself to fran since I forgot, how is your day going?

 

[Swamped]

Meh, Splinter and Fran know my role already and I find it to be worthless anyway, they can claim on my behalf and you can all decide if you think it's a scum role. Splinter, I said I'd spell your name wrong to be vague which I find funny because Kyan has quoted you a few times and called you Splints, the easier solution is look at the first letter of each sentence. Fran, as I said, I had to be lazy on yours, I was boarding a flight soon and couldn't hide anything fun in yours.

As for do I think Acohrs is scum, I do and I actually think he is more scummy than Swamped at this point but that is partially because I'm not swallowing this whole green check thing well and I'm in a slight tunnel and if Faddy we're scum then Swamped isn't.

And to Worthy, you want to know what's scummy? Quoting someone else's logic, taking it at face value when you did no real research on the case yourself, and then sheeting a vote. You did start today with a woe is me, "shit guys, I would have totally changed my vote if I was here, he was town and I would have rather voted the other unknown quantity"

Uh, i feel like I've missed something?

 

[Swamped]

I don't like this weird code thing. I'll keep my Sorian vote unless Fran or Splinter really vouch for you.

 

[Sorian]

Swamped, I said you posting at all was good for a trail as compared to the complete inactives that people were talking about lynching at that time. Your giant wall posts serve that purpose but are still easy to hide behind as scum. Why I scum read you exactly on day 1 is lost on me, the game has moved so far beyond that point that I don't remember or care, it was part trusting Crab and part you feeling facetious if I remember right and as I said, you've done nothing to really move me from that point, even now the needle only moved towards town because of murky waters with Faddy and not anything you've done on your own, nice 180 on your read of me though now that the winds changed.

Going to take my claim into consideration next?

 

[TheWorthyEdge]

Regardless, why open telling us what you should have done? Why the guilt?

Because why not? If I was scum I wouldn't have said anything at all because then this would've come up. I dont care that we're talking about this now, but if I was scum then I'd be slightly worried.

 

[Sorian]

I don't like this weird code thing. I'll keep my Sorian vote unless Fran or Splinter really vouch for you.

Blarg would be the third piece but he is dead. I didn't have a good target N1 so I just went with the person everyone likes to troll. Have you not been paying attention to the game?

 

[Faddy]

Uh, i feel like I've missed something?

Sorian is claiming he is the player sending letters

Night 1 was to Blarg
Night 2 was to Splinter
Night 3 was to franconp

I don't know if this role says anything about alignment though.

 

[franconp]

Meh, Splinter and Fran know my role already and I find it to be worthless anyway, they can claim on my behalf and you can all decide if you think it's a scum role. Splinter, I said I'd spell your name wrong to be vague which I find funny because Kyan has quoted you a few times and called you Splints, the easier solution is look at the first letter of each sentence. Fran, as I said, I had to be lazy on yours, I was boarding a flight soon and couldn't hide anything fun in yours.

As for do I think Acohrs is scum, I do and I actually think he is more scummy than Swamped at this point but that is partially because I'm not swallowing this whole green check thing well and I'm in a slight tunnel and if Faddy we're scum then Swamped isn't.

And to Worthy, you want to know what's scummy? Quoting someone else's logic, taking it at face value when you did no real research on the case yourself, and then sheeting a vote. You did start today with a woe is me, "shit guys, I would have totally changed my vote if I was here, he was town and I would have rather voted the other unknown quantity"

Si you send the message? It was lazy Sorian.

 

[Sorian]

Because why not? If I was scum I wouldn't have said anything at all because then this would've come up. I dont care that we're talking about this now, but if I was scum then I'd be slightly worried.

Scum would overcompensate which is precisely what I'm accusing you of in multiple ways so no, I disagree.

 

[TheWorthyEdge]

Scum would overcompensate which is precisely what I'm accusing you of in multiple ways so no, I disagree.

Then I guess we agree to disagree.

 

[Sorian]

Si you send the message? It was lazy Sorian.

I told you it was lazy, the night before I had drivin for a few hours and that day I had to catch a flight. Don't worry, all Splinter got was me harping on Blarg, Swamped and Sorian (lol) being scum.