There was no reason to anymore. The counter wagon I wanted already existed. My vote didn't need to be on her because it held more weight later if need be. Once you're on a wagon, you can't prevent scum shenanigans as easily. There was still enough time until deadline that I didn't need to commit. Especially when I didn't want Crab to be a wagon at all.
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There was no reason to anymore. The counter wagon I wanted already existed. My vote didn't need to be on her because it held more weight later if need be. Once you're on a wagon, you can't prevent scum shenanigans as easily. There was still enough time until deadline that I didn't need to commit. Especially when I didn't want Crab to be a wagon at all.
But it didn't exist. It was a phantom. We already went over this.
2 votes is not a wagon.
fucking nightmares
Oh Faddy
Either you are pretending or just in general don't understand how momentum works in this game, do you? I don't even care enough to go back and look at the exact number to dispute you because whether you are right or not isn't the point. You're looking at it from the pure numbers stand point. Mafia is a game about emotions and manipulation just as much as numbers and logic, ignoring one side doesn't change that. Crab was presenting Swamped as his thunderdome option and someone placing the vote down in support was an action that created the counter wagon. The rest would naturally come with or without me putting in the vote. You're attempting an argument you were not ready for and don't have enough experience to back up. Yes, I'm being a cocky shit now and you can try that avenue next if you'd like but it doesn't change that you are trying to work history to your advantage but you don't have chops to pull it off. My actions were quite clear and if you were trying to call the action itself scummy then sure, but you are instead trying to add reasoning that doesn't make sense to why I did it. That's why this sin't working.
TheWorthyEdge
Member
These 2 read town to me but a little while later he talked about how inactive *splinter was being. Still think he's town but he made that a little less convincing when he commented on *splinter's inactivity.
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DAY 4 CURRENT VOTE TALLY:
acohrs (2)
flatearthpandas 2750
StanleyPalmtree 2793
Swamped (2)
TheWorthyEdge 2791
*Splinter 2898
Faddy (2)
CCS 2816
Sorian 2994
WhereAreMahDragonz (1)
Gorlak 2913
Sorian (1)
Faddy 2903
Gorlak (1)
Kawl_USC 2835
*Splinter (1)
Swamped 2783
TheWorthyEdge (0):Sorian 2910 2994
Bronx-Man (0):Kyanrute 2911 2977
No active vote for Day 4: acohrs, Bronx-Man, Burbeting, franconp, Kyanrute (has previously voted), WhereAreMahDragonz
Day 4 ends:
Automated vote tally here
9 votes for majority
acohrs (2)
flatearthpandas 2750
StanleyPalmtree 2793
Swamped (2)
TheWorthyEdge 2791
*Splinter 2898
Faddy (2)
CCS 2816
Sorian 2994
WhereAreMahDragonz (1)
Gorlak 2913
Sorian (1)
Faddy 2903
Gorlak (1)
Kawl_USC 2835
*Splinter (1)
Swamped 2783
TheWorthyEdge (0):
Bronx-Man (0):
No active vote for Day 4: acohrs, Bronx-Man, Burbeting, franconp, Kyanrute (has previously voted), WhereAreMahDragonz
Day 4 ends:
Automated vote tally here
9 votes for majority
Not working in your opinion.
You know what really adds momentum to a lynch target? VOTES
Instead you sat on the sidelines with your vote on Bronx.
TheWorthyEdge
Member
Oh man! I'm sorry WAMD!
If votes add momentum then why did I not get Bronx off the ground day 1 or Blarg day 2? My vote was on Bronx for a reason, it's the lynch I wanted. Swamped was up there as a good lynch but not my favorite. Without me, she became a perfectly good counter and I was able to sit on who I would have preferred to be in contention instead of Crab. So finish the flow logic then, what makes all of this a scum action?
But Swamped never became a good counter attracting 1 quick vote/unvote from Blarg and a single vote from Kalor. Neither had a reason attached.
What makes it a scum action is your blatant moves near the deadline to create unnecessary distraction.
I think Town would be in a much better place without all the late shifts near the deadline where people can easily place votes with little reasoning or justification other than they had to pick between the two wagons. It is very anti town behaviour.
Distraction from what? Lynching Crab?
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
. No harm no foul.Distraction by pushing for late wagons and then at the start of the next day everyone focuses on those votes when they were all town/town.
Actually a fair point, now take it to the next level, you've played with me before, how is it any different from how I always play?
I played with you once and I never made it to day 2.
The game has gone silent. That's not good for town.
Why do you keep talking about the poisoner as "they"? Are you using it instead of "he/she" or do you think the poisoner is scum?
VOTE: acohrs
I want to lynch acohrs. I really think he is scum. I have said several times why I think that (a lot of coasting, the read list, relation with other players). If acohrs flip scum, Faddy is scum too. Swamped could be too.
Why do you keep talking about the poisoner as "they"? Are you using it instead of "he/she" or do you think the poisoner is scum?
VOTE: acohrs
I want to lynch acohrs. I really think he is scum. I have said several times why I think that (a lot of coasting, the read list, relation with other players). If acohrs flip scum, Faddy is scum too. Swamped could be too.
flatearthpandas
Member
Like the activity. Faddy was already reading a bit scum to me already but not super moved by the gotcha. My needle hasn't shifted much there. Not moved by his arguments either though. Sorian's votes look townie to me for the first two days. He's still a null.
Seems no one has claimed poisoned today. Still wary of conspiracy theories, especially how goddamned early they started coming, but interesting. Still think it should be tabled for now.
Interesting thoughts on Dragonz from Gorlak. Btw, not sure if I'm misreading his earlier question or I missed it being answered but *Splinter peaced due to Blarg and, I think CCS or Bronx, being a bit overly aggressive iirc. Don't think it had anything to do with the posts you had quoted and I don't think those interactions are particularly important at the moment. Anyway, Gorlak is actually my next I want to look at. Maybe I'll get there today but it's St. Patty's.
As for having to vote the trains, I don't really agree. I get the worry about scum weight but my thought is it's better to have solid votes to track later in the game. End of day, change votes if you want to save someone. But if I have no strong feelings about either, I'll leave my vote on an outlier. If scum is actively moving on the vote, it does give them more weight but voting just because can only really help on accident. Seems kind of like what Sorian was telling Faddy but not what Kawl was telling acohrs.
Seems no one has claimed poisoned today. Still wary of conspiracy theories, especially how goddamned early they started coming, but interesting. Still think it should be tabled for now.
Interesting thoughts on Dragonz from Gorlak. Btw, not sure if I'm misreading his earlier question or I missed it being answered but *Splinter peaced due to Blarg and, I think CCS or Bronx, being a bit overly aggressive iirc. Don't think it had anything to do with the posts you had quoted and I don't think those interactions are particularly important at the moment. Anyway, Gorlak is actually my next I want to look at. Maybe I'll get there today but it's St. Patty's.
As for having to vote the trains, I don't really agree. I get the worry about scum weight but my thought is it's better to have solid votes to track later in the game. End of day, change votes if you want to save someone. But if I have no strong feelings about either, I'll leave my vote on an outlier. If scum is actively moving on the vote, it does give them more weight but voting just because can only really help on accident. Seems kind of like what Sorian was telling Faddy but not what Kawl was telling acohrs.
He/she, when I remember I try to do that since some find it rude to assume gender.
Also yeah,I could have kept doing that circle argument for more but it felt like noise at this point, Faddy got caught imo and is doing great at staying off the point.
Man that's a frustrating argument to read. I think Faddy started with some really good points. Yeah Sorian has an answer for everything but I'd expect as much, but then you blow it all with this:
Are you the cop? Just claim, we could use the info and there must still be a doctor out there. If not then what am I supposed to think? Clearing someone off a town read is awful play. Do you know how easy it is for an experienced player to "play town"? Swamped isn't exactly new to the game.
Before Kawl needs to say something tomorrow, I will be around on mobile until half an hour before deadline. After then I can't. I have an hour commute until I get home.
I want to lynch either Acohrs or Faddy. I think there is scum there, even maybe both of them. I could move my vote to Faddy while I'm around.
I want to lynch either Acohrs or Faddy. I think there is scum there, even maybe both of them. I could move my vote to Faddy while I'm around.
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
I'm not quite sure what Faddy apparently "slipped" on?
No I'm not a cop. I just believe Swamped is town.
And doesn't that argument go the other way that Sorian can just be playing town?
From what he said it looks like he knows Swamped is town (although he's now claiming it's just a read).
Yes? What do you mean though? I'm not exactly townreading Sorian right now.
What are you comparing to?
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
Vote: acohrs
Trying to start that train on Faddy, eh? Your vote reeks of desperate scum trying to save their skin. I also still think you're scum otherwise.
Trying to start that train on Faddy, eh? Your vote reeks of desperate scum trying to save their skin. I also still think you're scum otherwise.
The past days. A feeling, so it is hard to quantify I know but I have a thought in my mind that you've been less present on the before days. Have to read you through (argh) to make sure.
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
I don't really think Faddy's slip was any indication that he knows for a certainty that Swamped is town. It feels more like a read to me, and his arguments are genuine.
I mean which past performances are you comparing to for a late increase in activity to be a concern (I assume that post was concern?)?
I'm not denying my activity has increased - especially compared to last phase which was over a weekend.
I mean that Sorian has on the surface played quite like town. And the thing that looks most townie, the vote and suspicion on Blarg is what you would expect from an experience player like Sorian who knows Blarg is susceptible to an early lynch for his bullshit. So maybe town!Sorian scum reads Blarg but scum!Sorian definitely scum reads Blarg.
so what is that then
super town much love:
4. franconp [m]
10. Kawl_USC [m]
24. Gorlak [m]
maybe town:
11. Swamped [f]
18. Faddy [m]
reserve a right to read through to make accurate judgement:
1. *Splinter [m]
14. CCS [m]
19. WhereAreMahDragonz [f]
how am i fucking supposed to know:
6. Sorian [m]
23. StanleyPalmtree [m]
the best:
17. Kyanrute [m]
i hate to admit this but he might be town:
20. Bronx-Man [m]
MEANIES:
2. Burbeting [m]
13. TheWorthyEdge [m]
21. acohrs [m]
super town much love:
4. franconp [m]
10. Kawl_USC [m]
24. Gorlak [m]
maybe town:
11. Swamped [f]
18. Faddy [m]
reserve a right to read through to make accurate judgement:
1. *Splinter [m]
14. CCS [m]
19. WhereAreMahDragonz [f]
how am i fucking supposed to know:
6. Sorian [m]
23. StanleyPalmtree [m]
the best:
17. Kyanrute [m]
i hate to admit this but he might be town:
20. Bronx-Man [m]
MEANIES:
2. Burbeting [m]
13. TheWorthyEdge [m]
21. acohrs [m]
I don't disagree, but noone is assuming Sorian is town the way you did for Swamped.
I'm inclined to think so. I don't know why a scum Faddy would continue arguing nuances instead of backing down.
Guess who was the quickest to jump on this "scum slip".
He went from "Swamped is town" to "I read Swamped as town". How is that not backing down?
How else could he have reacted, regardless of alignment?
Ah I see. I have to admit that my comment was but a starting point for now, an observation that is. In general I find you difficult to read so when I felt I saw a change I started to worry a bit - is this natural or are you looking to steer the lynches to undesired directions? Not sure. The vote record is the best argument against you that I can think of and that is something that can be used against most. Will look if there is anything I have missed.
I am not referring to any specific past performances in particular, I am just keeping it in mind that deciphering you is quite important.
Hmm, fair enough
It isn't backing down if I never said definitively that Swamped is town. Those statements on town/town trains were accusations against Sorian and what he did with his scum knowledge.
"Crab v Swamped is a town town train" is a definitive statement. You clarified later that this was just a read, and yes that might be true but what you said at the time was a definitive statement.
Right and the lynchpin of your argument is that sorian is scummy because he is trying to force losing choices of town v town targets multiple days in a row. Except that we only for sure one day is tvt. It especially looks like a slip when it's listed in the exact same way as the actual confirmed tvt with no notation saying that it's just something you believe. It feels way more likely to be a slip of the burden of extra knowledge.
So ummmmm. This does not make sense to me. 1st a reminder, acohrs has mentioned that he still stands by his past read post so quoting old things ain't invalid. Secondly, the his reasoning behind his Splinter scum read is very thin. I for one disagree with it. While I feel that Splinter has not necessarily been living to his full potential in this game, to say that he's done nothing but vote lists seems just false. I find this even more false when it is applied to Faddy for I feel he has done much. Much wrong, one might say but still, that is not the issue. Why is acohrs attacking the fact that Faddy hasn't supposedly done much (I disagree) instead of attacking the more reasonable target, Faddy's achievements? Using the votes as his primary argument reeks of scum who are just looking for something, not really grasping the deeper parts of the discussion.