Game Developers celebrating assassination of Charlie Kirk (Sucker Punch, Bungie, The Coalition etc) [Update] Sucker Punch Dev Fired

Is it really to be expected that a company should issue a public statement every time an individual employee expresses a personal opinion that is some bullshit like in this case?
If it brings enough attention they will. There is a reason why companies have social media policies.
At the very least they would probably have a private conversation with her and she would say something herself afterwards.
 
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Do you understand that if Sucker Punch dont make an statement apologizing for this situation, then it makes them look as if they are supporting the ideas of these developers?

Are you seriously this dense that you dont see the whole picture here?
You are exaggerating. Not sure why you have to resort to insults now.

The games are made by a team. They aren't made by a single person.
 
That's the real kicker isn't it. The company I work for has a social media policy that states anything that can reflect poorly on the company can have consequences. Some of these companies really need better guidelines and enforcement. Freedom of speech and all that but a company has a reputation to uphold.

To be fair I am expecting the company to make a statement, if the employee is let go will depend on how vaulable they are as a worker. But it happens all the time now, as you say its an issue with prior enforcement. If your posting something on an account that traces you directly back to your company, then every employee should be thinking "what are the consequences of me posting this for my job?" If their not thinking that you have a failed social media policy.
 
When deciding which games to play, I do not take into account the political opinions voiced by a handful of developers, since these projects represent the collective effort of very large teams.
There is always someone who has a different view

As was said above it's not just a simple view or opinion it's an outright, openly made celebration of death. I'll be damned if I give them and any company related to them any money.
 
Y'all remember when Jimbob Ryan politely asked his studios to respect opposing views on not crushing and dismembering babies with giant tweezers and vacuuming them into drains and garbages, then like 90% of his studios lost their shit on REEEEEsky and staged walk outs, and he "resigned" (was fired) a few months later. Pepperidge Farms remembers.
 
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Not seeing the cheering in there, just some dark too soon humour. But yeah, murderers and their supporters should be cancelled, sadly that's most of the 'developed' world nowadays and nobody bats an eye but good to know some of GAF care, I must have missed it during some other events 🍉
 
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People who celebrate murder should be cancelled
I don't call to shut the studio down for their heinous act of celebration. I simply will not buy their product.
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As for Charlie Kirk, I don't really have opinion on him or the assassination, but I think we can at least all agree it's kind of ironic, right?
Same goes for the response from anti-Woke to the tweets from the devs.

I'll leave it at that. No politics allowed and all.
 
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If I refused to buy products or consume media from people I disagree with I'd probably have way less games and books than I do.
This isn't about disagreeing though. I won't shun something simply because I might have a different opinion on something than its creator(s) either. I mean, I pretty much always assume that most western devs from big studios in liberal cities disagree with me on a lot of things but I think there are some things that are non-negotiable. To be a decent human being you have to draw the line somewhere when it comes to moral values. For me, if you publicly cheer/mock the assassination of somebody who's only crime is disagreeing with your (bad) opinions, I don't need to be supporting you or the company that continues to employ you after the fact. To cheer it means you support the assassin and support more assassinations and to me that makes you scum I could never support in any way.
 
When deciding which games to play, I do not take into account the political opinions voiced by a handful of developers, since these projects represent the collective effort of very large teams.
There is always someone who has a different view
This is my view on the whole thing I seperate the art from the artist and I don't care enough to keep track of everyone who works on the games I play and I care even less in keeping track with their opinions.

It's threads like this that makes me glad that I don't use Social Media like the rest of the Internet seems to imply that they are addicted to.

Maybe it's an old fashioned way of thinking but I'm glad I got to experience the world growing up in an era without wide spread Internet adoption and without the invasion of AI slop because everyone is too eager to over share their life on Social Media these days just so they can have their 10MB of fame on the Internet.
 
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This isn't about disagreeing though. I won't shun something simply because I might have a different opinion on something than its creator(s) either. I mean, I pretty much always assume that most western devs from big studios in liberal cities disagree with me on a lot of things but I think there are some things that are non-negotiable. To be a decent human being you have to draw the line somewhere when it comes to moral values. For me, if you publicly cheer/mock the assassination of somebody who's only crime is disagreeing with your (bad) opinions, I don't need to be supporting you or the company that continues to employ you after the fact. To cheer it means you support the assassin and support more assassinations and to me that makes you scum I could never support in any way.
I wouldn't associate with somebody like that in real life, but I'm not going to participate in a boycott because of the dumb tweets of a handful of users on a social media platform. Sure, I firmly think Sony should fire the person involved, but I'm not going to hold a thousand plus people responsible for the actions of a few.
 
The vast majority of companies have terms in their contracts about reputational harm caused by social media, statements etc.

Judge them how they act in this instance. If there is no repercussion from Sucker Punch, then they tacitly endorse it.

You look who posted and the likes and it's all they / themselves / Palestine / trans rights are human rights in their strange little bios. Many companies captured by this ideology but are thankfully pushing back.
 
The way i look at it is that if a prominant leftie in the public space was killed, and people in public life were celebrating, there would be hell to pay, and eveyone knows it no matter which side you are on.

So fuck these people, and fuck their games.
 
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You can dislike a person and just leave it at that, but what happened to that man is insane. Anyone celebrating that because he was a supporter of someone they are not is now gone.....is absolutely pathetic, it's sick really. Fuck them.
 
As was said above it's not just a simple view or opinion it's an outright, openly made celebration of death. I'll be damned if I give them and any company related to them any money.
I get what you're saying.
Celebrating death definitely isn't just a harmless opinion.

The tricky part for me is figuring out where the line is.
Should a company speak out every single time something like this happens, or only in some cases with enough attention?
That's where it gets hard to know what the 'right' response or action is.


On the other hand, if the company itself is supporting a statement like this. I would agree, that not buying their products is the way.
But just because the company hasn't made a statement doesn't mean they agree with it.
 
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This isn't about disagreeing though. I won't shun something simply because I might have a different opinion on something than its creator(s) either. I mean, I pretty much always assume that most western devs from big studios in liberal cities disagree with me on a lot of things but I think there are some things that are non-negotiable. To be a decent human being you have to draw the line somewhere when it comes to moral values. For me, if you publicly cheer/mock the assassination of somebody who's only crime is disagreeing with your (bad) opinions, I don't need to be supporting you or the company that continues to employ you after the fact. To cheer it means you support the assassin and support more assassinations and to me that makes you scum I could never support in any way.
I agree with the ethos 'separate the art from the artist' but also agree with you that it's ok to have a line somewhere.

Listening to John Lennon or Kanye West despite their struggles, I'm fine with.

Listening to the Lost Prophets, I can't do it.

This isn't a left or right issue, this is people completely without basic moral and human principles backed by a studio that may or may not support this (depending on their actions today).
 
This isn't about disagreeing though. I won't shun something simply because I might have a different opinion on something than its creator(s) either. I mean, I pretty much always assume that most western devs from big studios in liberal cities disagree with me on a lot of things but I think there are some things that are non-negotiable. To be a decent human being you have to draw the line somewhere when it comes to moral values. For me, if you publicly cheer/mock the assassination of somebody who's only crime is disagreeing with your (bad) opinions, I don't need to be supporting you or the company that continues to employ you after the fact. To cheer it means you support the assassin and support more assassinations and to me that makes you scum I could never support in any way.

I completely agree. I don't mind if developers have different opinions or views on religion, politics, or other topics.

But when I see developers celebrating someone's death simply because that person had different views, that's where I draw the line.

It goes against my morals, and I can't in good conscience support them anymore.
 
This is my view on the whole thing I seperate the art from the artist and I don't care enough to keep track of everyone who works on the games I play and I care even less in keeping track with their opinions.

It's threads like this that makes me glad that I don't use Social Media like the rest of the Internet seems to imply that they are addicted to.

Maybe it's an old fashioned way of thinking but I'm glad I got to experience the world growing up in an era without wide spread Internet adoption and without the invasion of AI slop because everyone is too eager to over share their life on Social Media these days just so they can have their 10MB of fame on the Internet.
Social media isn't even the problem, it's just simple-minded people who are the problem.
 
Woke studios and their employees show their true colors now and then. You have to be pretty sick in the head to celebrate a person's death or to make fun of it, even if the views and statements of that politician were drastically different to yours. Easiest response is to avoid their products, I already have a nice list of studios I won't support again.
 
Hmm, I'm not familiar with Kirk and I just dont have the time to go and watch countless videos of mob appointed 'villains'. From what little I have seen and read, he just seems a guy who recycles divisise pop culture topics and invites people to justify their opinions. And where possible, debates that.

I agree that from a studio of like 300/400? people, a small collective of 8 or 9 blue hairs is not a reason to punish them too. They have families and life to navigate as well. Collateral damage is not something that should be the norm. Sure, a few asshats have posted shit, but what about the other hundred or so employees that haven't.

Having said that, I go back to the same point I make all the time. Devs and Bloggers make the same point all the time about gamers being manbabies or immature. Maybe reflect inwards because the example they set is just awful. There is no professionalism - as evidenced every time there is a controversy and they just can't wait to share their 4th grade level opinions. But if this is happening so much, are the studios actually professional enough to have policies about social media etc.

Whole thing is a mess. And yes, now it puts these studio's in a terrible place because due to cultural warfare their choice is sack this person or suffer the fallout. Not everything is a cyberpunk or hogwarts legacy, and it gets even easier when the game is already under scrutiny for being underwhelming. And then there is the snowball effect on those FOMO buyers. They won't buy if they dont think this is the next big thing to be discussed etc.

I honestly think at this point we turn the Internet off.
 
People who celebrate murder should be cancelled
Absolutely no one should be cancelled. Should there be consequences for actions? Yes. Harsh consequences, in some cases. But cancelling someone for having a opinion that differs from mine? Cancelling someone for celebrating something that I - or the whole human race for that matter - defines as "bad" or "wrong"? Nope.
The people doing acts like these should get treated with the same amount of force and should be punished accordingly, whatever that might entail.
The people celebrating these acts and cheering on murder and terror. Let them show themselves as the stupid piles of flesh they are, so that we know who to avoid and have examples of what not to turn into. But let them say whatever it is they want to say. I don't condone violence of any sort, but I will fight for everyones right to voice their opinion, no matter how hard I disagree with it or no matter how wrong (legally, morally...) it might be from my point of view
 
I've just woken up. People are celebrating murder of a politician?

We are literally in the end times.
Not even a politician. Just a man that went around encouraging freedom of debate and expression.

They've killed him because he had the ability to persuade young people with thoughts and ideas on their own turf (college campuses) where they are used to brainwashing young people without opposition.
 
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I get what you're saying.
Celebrating death definitely isn't just a harmless opinion.

The tricky part for me is figuring out where the line is.
Should a company speak out every single time something like this happens, or only in some cases with enough attention?
That's where it gets hard to know what the 'right' response or action is.

The right response as a consumer with a decent moral compass is to not support the product. We all know there's likely dozens of employees who feel the same working there. Even high level ones like that producer.

This kind of sentiment shouldn't be normalized. They should say or take some action. And yes every time it happens.
 
Not even a politician. Just a man that went around encouraging freedom or debate and expression.

They've killed him because he had the ability to persuade young people with thoughts and ideas on their own turf (college campuses) where they are used to brainwashing young people in without apposition.
You wouldn't be assuming who (and even applying the murderer status to a whole lot of folks) killed him without any evidence whatsoever now, would you? Why are college campuses any specific "turf" being pretty much anyone from any background can be a student (and later professor) >_>
 
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You can dislike a person and just leave it at that, but what happened to that man is insane. Anyone celebrating that because he was a supporter of someone they are not is now gone.....is absolutely pathetic, it's sick really. Fuck them.
Yeah it's crazy. A guy gets murdered in front of his wife and kids and you got people celebrating or saying "Yeah but the irony! Am I right guys?" like what the hell?
 
If I refused to buy products or consume media from people I disagree with I'd probably have way less games and books than I do.
There is a difference between disagreeing with you and cheering on cold blooded murder. By the way if you held the same beliefs as him they want you dead aswell btw, that's not just "disagreeing".
 
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From the Charlie Kirk shooter thread in OT.

No surprise. The development industry is full of hateful mentally deranged radical left cunts.
 
Absolutely no one should be cancelled. Should there be consequences for actions? Yes. Harsh consequences, in some cases. But cancelling someone for having a opinion that differs from mine? Cancelling someone for celebrating something that I - or the whole human race for that matter - defines as "bad" or "wrong"? Nope.
The people doing acts like these should get treated with the same amount of force and should be punished accordingly, whatever that might entail.
The people celebrating these acts and cheering on murder and terror. Let them show themselves as the stupid piles of flesh they are, so that we know who to avoid and have examples of what not to turn into. But let them say whatever it is they want to say. I don't condone violence of any sort, but I will fight for everyones right to voice their opinion, no matter how hard I disagree with it or no matter how wrong (legally, morally...) it might be from my point of view
You would fight for the right for people to celebrate political violence towards you?
 
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Absolutely no one should be cancelled. Should there be consequences for actions? Yes. Harsh consequences, in some cases. But cancelling someone for having a opinion that differs from mine? Cancelling someone for celebrating something that I - or the whole human race for that matter - defines as "bad" or "wrong"? Nope.
The people doing acts like these should get treated with the same amount of force and should be punished accordingly, whatever that might entail.
The people celebrating these acts and cheering on murder and terror. Let them show themselves as the stupid piles of flesh they are, so that we know who to avoid and have examples of what not to turn into. But let them say whatever it is they want to say. I don't condone violence of any sort, but I will fight for everyones right to voice their opinion, no matter how hard I disagree with it or no matter how wrong (legally, morally...) it might be from my point of view
You do know cancelled doesn't refer to killing, right? Outside of the beginning of your post, you are completely agreeing with cancelling. By cancelling they are saying the repercussions should be no longer purchasing their products, thus avoiding them like you said.

As for the people that find their behavior abhorrent but are making excuses to buy their products because of the large teams involved, that's a cop out and you know it. You're giving people like this an out every single time they do something disgusting. Would you you that excuse if you found out 8 out of 200 developers on a game were hardcore pedophiles and we're proud of it? Remember, other people would be collateral damage in that scenario as well.
 
The vast majority of companies have terms in their contracts about reputational harm caused by social media, statements etc.
We would see a different reaction from the corps and all would have been sacked instantly, had the person killed not be white or a Christian.
If you're male, white and GOD forbid a Christian, you're fair game in the mad WOKE world of the West
 
Social media isn't even the problem, it's just simple-minded people who are the problem.
You might be right but Social Media has given them access to a place where they find other people of the same degree which encouraged them to double down on their behavior or opinions no matter how bad or dangerous that way of thinking can be.

Using myself as example I purposely only stick to Video Game places like Reset Era, NeoGaf, Reddit pages and the GameFaqs forums when I use the Internet and I purposely avoid sharing my thoughts and opinions on real life matters because those things are mine to keep. Heck you wouldn't even find a single real life picture of me on the Internet because I never uploaded one and my family has refused to do so at my behest. I would delete my Facebook account without hesitation in a second if it wasn't for my family keeping in contact with me the through messager app but I haven't used the website itself in years.

Social Media didn't start out as a bad idea but I feel like people on those platforms have gotten addicted to the constant social engagement and now we have a cesspool of people trying to climb over each other because they can't stand the thought of being wrong or not having the last laugh.
 
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But when I see developers celebrating someone's death simply because that person had different views, that's where I draw the line.
It would be already reprehensible if they were cheering/mocking his accidental death but the fact that they cheer/mock his assassination is on a completely different level of evil, one there can be no moral recovery from whatsoever.
 
There is a difference between disagreeing with you and cheering on cold blooded murder. By the way if you held the same beliefs as him they want you dead aswell btw, that's not just "disagreeing".
I've explained this at length. I firmly believe in separating art from the artist and I don't hold the majority responsible for the actions or thoughts of a few. I also want this person to face actions for this stupid social media post.
 
The right response as a consumer with a decent moral compass is to not support the product. We all know there's likely dozens of employees who feel the same working there. Even high level ones like that producer.

This kind of sentiment shouldn't be normalized. They should say or take some action. And yes every time it happens.
Yes this shouldn't be normalized.
And if a company itself were to endorse it, I'd absolutely stop supporting them.

Where I struggle is the assumption that silence equals agreement, or that many employees must feel the same just because one person said it.
In huge projects with thousands of people, it feels difficult to hold the entire company accountable for the actions of a single individual.
 
You made be right but Social Media has given them access to a place where they find other people of the same degree which encouraged them to double down on their behavior or opinions no matter how bad or dangerous that way of thinking can be.

Using myself as example I purposely only stick to Video Game places like Reset Era, NeoGaf, Reddit pages and the GameFaqs forums when I use the Internet and I purposely avoid sharing my thoughts and opinions on real life matters because those things are mine to keep. Heck you wouldn't even find a single real life picture of me on the Internet because I never uploaded one and my family has refused to do so at my behest. I would delete my Facebook account without hesitation in a second if it wasn't for my family keeping in contact with me the through messager app but I haven't used the website itself in years.

Social Media didn't start out as a bad idea but I feel like people on those platforms have gotten addicted to the constant social engagement and now we have a cesspool of people trying to climb over each other because they can't stand the thought of being wrong or not having the last laugh.
Exactly, on platforms with millions of users the only way to get 'noticed' is to be more extreme. Either in opinion, or those stupid life/food hack video's

Lot of insecure people in the world
 
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