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[Gonzito]

So this justifies his murder right? Is that what you are saying

 

[Killjoy-NL]

So this justifies his murder right? Is that what you are saying

You guys really are exactly like Woke.

I said nothing about his death being justified.

 

[TDiddyLive]

Terminating anyone of these people whilst sensible, is probably exactly what they want to happen. Then they can argue free speech and the second amendment as a reason to sue the employer. If I was the Judge, I'd say least your alive.

Ironic isn't it?

I'm assuming you didn't mean they would use the Second Amendment (the right to keep and bear arms) as legal tool to sue for being fired.

As for using the First Amendment, free speech, as their legal tool, it won't work. That's like saying the cashier at the supermarket could sue for being fired after screaming racial slurs at all the customers. The First Amendment doesn't allow the government to restrict your access to saying your mind. But private business can always fire you for saying things that hurt the company due to your connection to them. Free speech, but not free from repercussions.

 

[Gonzito]

You guys really are exactly like Woke.

I said nothing about his death being justified.

 

[keefged4]

Regardless of your views and regardless of what you think of Charlie Kirk's views, anyone behaving like this dev is an absolute fucking ghoul.

Sucker Punch will not be seeing any more of my money.

 

[Ozzie666]

I'm assuming you didn't mean they would use the Second Amendment (the right to keep and bear arms) as legal tool to sue for being fired.

As for using the First Amendment, free speech, as their legal tool, it won't work. That's like saying the cashier at the supermarket could sue for being fired after screaming racial slurs at all the customers. The First Amendment doesn't allow the government to restrict your access to saying your mind. But private business can always fire you for saying things that hurt the company due to your connection to them. Free speech, but not free from repercussions.

Apologies, got them mixed up as I am not American. A lot of water cooler talk about gun laws, actually more than free speech to be honest.

 

[geary]

Maybe they should add another point on their DEI presentation near "being inclusive" and "tolerate all genders" with "don't fucking cheer when people are assassinated"

 

[Robb]

I'm so thankful I don't use social media. Absolutely vile people..

 

[TDiddyLive]

It matters, but I will say that while Killjoy paraphrased it, he did not misrepresent the position.

Ummm, yeah he did. Watch the video he linked. Even the quote blurb cut out important context. He explains far more, including that, while unfortunate, gun deaths are the price we pay for having the second amendment, which is used to protect the other amendments. Unfortunately a bad person with a gun killed a man for using his first amendment right to free speech, a right nobody in this country, including him, would have without guns.

 

[cormack12]

Woof, now I've seen this its clearly misrepresented lol.

He is saying that regardless of what they do with the law there will still be gun deaths. And he is right, even in the UK we have 22 confirmed this year and it seems to average around 30 with data from previous years. One of the safest countries from guns.

He is making the point that there will be a delta of death between 'deaths that will happen anyway due to firearms' and 'potential avoidable deaths if gun laws were passed'. He considers that a valid trade off to retain the second amendment. And yes, there is an irony in that he now has been killed by someone with a gun.

But assassinations are not events that would fall into that latter category anyway, so the point is just trying some weak gotcha on social media. Assassinations would definitely fall into the first category i.e. a death that was going to happen anyway by hook or crook.

 

[Three]

What's the whole quote? Full context, not just a snippet that played on its own sounds terrible. I bet it's not as simple as you say.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Ummm, yeah he did. Watch the video he linked. Even the quote blurb cut out important context. He explains far more, including that, while unfortunate, gun deaths are the price we pay for having the second amendment, which is used to protect the other amendments. Unfortunately a bad person with a gun killed a man for using his first amendment right to free speech, a right nobody in this country, including him, would have without guns.

And then he ended up getting shot.
But it's worth the 2nd amendment.


How is that not ironic?

 

[DerivedDataCache]

Hermen needs to add a company wide policy that forbids developers to have social media accounts.

 

[calico]

I would infer something about the company based on their willingness to knowingly continue to employ someone like this.

I think the issue is also different when dealing with social media where the employee is effectively using the company name to draw an audience to their 'personal views' in the first place. As soon as you are using the company name for clout you are associating the company with your expressed views even if you claim otherwise and whether the company wants it or not.

 

[kpopSuperstar]

What these people view as transphobic and racist includes half the globe. These developers would likely cheer on if some of you would die as well, considering some posts in here. People being "problematic" has become the final solution for these motherfuckers.

 

[midnightAI]

I'm still buying it (Ghost of Yotei), I don't care what a senior texture artists personal opinions are

 

[NuclearDiarrhea]

Hermen needs to add a company wide policy that forbids developers to have social media accounts.

No he doesn't, he just needs to hire normal people.

 

[Omnipunctual Godot]

Glad this thread is actually up.

I posted a similar thread about Kyle Hickey, a technical artist at Blizzard who posted on his public Facebook account, "Kill your local MAGA," just after Trump's inauguration.

A mod deleted the thread with no explanation, even after I asked why. It's why I don't buy GAF Gold anymore.

 

[Dr.Morris79]

You guys really are exactly like Woke.

I said nothing about his death being justified.

Not in the slightest. You've posted twice what he'd said, and, like I said, what's your point?

So what if it is ironic?

Lots of things are ironic without bleeding out on a stage.

 

[Dreathlock]

Preorder canceled... Seriously... Fuck this game!

 

[midnightAI]

Hermen needs to add a company wide policy that forbids developers to have social media accounts.

So no to 'freedom of speech' then?

 

[DerivedDataCache]

I'm still buying it (Ghost of Yotei), I don't care what a senior texture artists personal opinions are

Likely the same opinion as everyone else at the company.

 

[consoul]

The right response as a consumer with a decent moral compass is to not support the product. We all know there's likely dozens of employees who feel the same working there. Even high level ones like that producer.

'We all know there's likely dozens'?

We don't all know that. Even if we did actually know for a fact that dozens of people who worked on a AAA game shared a view we disagree with, would that make it morally correct to fuck up the careers of the hundreds of other good people who worked on the game by not supporting the product?

My compass points to no.

 

[DerivedDataCache]

So no to 'freedom of speech' then?

You can say what you want but if it damages the company there will be consequences.

 

[demigod]

And then he ended up getting shot.
But it's worth the 2nd amendment.


How is that not ironic?

Might want to stop posting this before you get banned.

These boycotts never work. I doubt everyone that posted in here going to boycott every game. There's at least 1 idiot somewhere in all studios that share this view.

 

[TDiddyLive]

And then he ended up getting shot.
But it's worth the 2nd amendment.

Again, context. It's worth if for not just the second amendment, but for all the the other freedoms that it allows us to have.

And to better surmise the rest of what he was saying:

Woof, now I've seen this it's clearly misrepresented lol.

He is saying that regardless of what they do with the law there will still be gun deaths. And he is right, even in the UK we have 22 confirmed this year and it seems to average around 30 with data from previous years. One of the safest countries from guns.

He is making the point that there will be a delta of death between 'deaths that will happen anyway due to firearms' and 'potential avoidable deaths if gun laws were passed'. He considers that a valid trade off to retain the second amendment. And yes, there is an irony in that he now has been killed by someone with a gun.

But assassinations are not events that would fall into that latter category anyway, so the point is just trying some weak gotcha on social media. Assassinations would definitely fall into the first category i.e. a death that was going to happen anyway by hook or crook.

 

[Throttle]

As if I needed another reason not to buy this crap

 

[Tiago Rodrigues]

So fucking what?

That's justification for him to be shot?

He was killed by an idea he himself defended. He kept saying if some people had to be sacrificed for the second amendment, so be it…and here we are. That's justification for him to be killed and he himself defended it.

What's not clicking? You don't see the irony of someone dying the exact same way he defended some people should be sacrificed per year?

Im not saying he should be dead even though he wasn't very bright but im sure he himself would defend the way he is gone. Didn't he say this was okay? Or is it only okay when it doesn't involve your life?

 

[midnightAI]

You can say what you want but if it damages the company there will be consequences.

Does that go for anyone in any job? that your personal opinions you post on social media, on forums etc. potentially damages the company? It's a personal opinion, unless its some really extreme, potentially illegal, view then whats the issue? they should be free to post what they like, something Charlie Kirk himself wanted, he was an advocate of free speech.

 

[Dr.Morris79]

I think everyone has to seriously step back and remember they hired this lovely lady..

Now if you have any critical thinking skills and have seen this particular young ladies views on the world then none of this should come as a shock to you in the slightest.

These people are utterly free to have their views, make any game they want and there is no way on this earth I would ever want to see any of them bleed out on a stage for expressing them (Even if these abhorrent cretins take a gleeful demonic liking to it)

But I am free to not want to spend my money on them

And so are you.

 

[Felessan]

No he doesn't, he just needs to hire normal people.

He shouldnt do that, its stupid on the same level as hiring bluehaired out of equity
A good professional can be shitty person and companies should care about how good people at work and not their personalities
As for social media policies its up to companies

 

[TDiddyLive]

These boycotts never work. I doubt everyone that posted in here going to boycott every game. There's at least 1 idiot somewhere in all studios that share this view.

What people think is one thing. It's when they are so deranged that feel the need to let the world know how messed up they are that they are crossing a line in which I become comfortable not giving them my business.

Show me more similar posts by developers and such and I'll easily not buy their games. It's a hobby that has way too many options, new and old, that makes no game a must purchase.

 

[calico]

And then he ended up getting shot.
But it's worth the 2nd amendment.


How is that not ironic?

Do you believe in due process and right to a trial and the state having to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt? Almost everyone does.

Would it be ironic if one of those people got murdered by someone who was only free because the state had been unable to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt at trial? Not particularly.

 

[midnightAI]

Likely the same opinion as everyone else at the company.

So you don't know for sure then, got it (I very much doubt its 'everyone else at the company' though)
I'm sure there are a few at all of the big dev studios who will be 'happy' about this, its the same when anyone who has extreme political viewpoints there will be people opposing them that will be 'happy' when they die (I keep quoting happy because some will genuinely be happy about it while others wont necessarily be happy but they certainly wont be sad about the news).

 

[Dr.Morris79]

He was killed by an idea he himself defended. He kept saying if some people had to be sacrificed for the second amendment, so be it…and here we are. That's justification for him to be killed and he himself defended it.

What's not clicking? You don't see the irony of someone dying the exact same way he defended some people should be sacrificed per year?

Im not saying he should be dead even though he wasn't very bright but im sure he himself would defend the way he is gone. Didn't he say this was okay? Or is it only okay when it doesn't involve your life?

It's not me not getting anything. It's you thats trying to justify it by saying 'yeah, ironic eh, whoops' is the problem.

You're giving justification to the shooter.

And like I said, if that's a world you want to live in, then, yeah.. Good luck

 

[naguanatak]

Other than some offensive joke tweets, I'm not familiar with anything terrible done by James Gunn. I'm not a fan of his politics, but I've enjoyed stuff he's done in the past.

So offensive joke tweets about killing a man and celebrating it, not okay, has to result in cancelling and stop consuming media with the people involved.
Offensive joke tweets about pedophilia, endorsing it, celebrating it and joking about the victims, okay. no cancelling, still consuming media with the people involved.

 

[The Gamer Triple H]

Mod edit: these posts were split from other threads into this one as a containment area to discuss the impending controversy rather than bleed into a number of other threads. This was not created by the OP. Reviews of the thread will take place periodically or posts moved here from other tangentially related threads.




From the Charlie Kirk shooter thread in OT.

These people were likely hired because their political views, as i doubt that it has anything to do with their talent. A boycott won't change anything.

Until otherwise, I'm under the assumption that SuckerPunch and this person are one in the same, and that everyone who works around and with this person are elated that Kirk is dead.

 

[TDiddyLive]

He was killed by an idea he himself defended. He kept saying if some people had to be sacrificed for the second amendment, so be it…and here we are. That's justification for him to be killed and he himself defended it.

What's not clicking? You don't see the irony of someone dying the exact same way he defended some people should be sacrificed per year?

Im not saying he should be dead even though he wasn't very bright but im sure he himself would defend the way he is gone. Didn't he say this was okay? Or is it only okay when it doesn't involve your life?

What a brain dead take. He was advocating possession of firearms for defense (of the individual, of our rights, etc.), not for murder. He didn't advocate sacrifice. You really just said he would defend the way he was murdered? He never said murder was okay.

 

[Mokus]

Not exactly sure how these people don't see that their actions reflects badly on their company. It's not like a horrible murderer got justice, but someone who only had different opinions like so many of us.

He did say Americans should accept a few deaths a year in favor of the 2nd amendment.

If it's true that is a stupid statement and more or less ironic how he met his end. But still it's morbid and disturbing to celebrate publicly an assassination of a person that only had different views without harming others.

 

[unlurkified]

Doesn't even matter who Charlie was or what he stood for. Celebrating the murder of an innocent person makes you absolute human trash that should be outcast from civil society with anything you produce being boycotted.

I really hope this gets enough attention that Sony is then forced to go in and clean house. If Sony doesn't do this and issue a huge apology, the game absolutely deserves to fail.

 

[blue velvet]

As if this game looking extremely mid isn't enough to hate it. Hoping for nothing short of a significant downfall from this game and its developer. Not gonna happen ofc but still fuck yall

 

[calico]

gun deaths are the price we pay for having the second amendment

This alone is a fair representation of the position (and it is one I agree with btw). It is not meaningfully different to how killjoy represented the position "He did say Americans should accept a few deaths a year in favor of the 2nd amendment." I don't consider that to be an attempt to misrepresent the position at all.

Expounding upon the reason for the Second Amendment existing does not meaningfully alter the position.

Now, obviously if we are meant to infer a 'therefore he deserved it' then I disagree with that, but that was not how I read it and I don't think that's how killjoy meant it.

 

[PleaseDoNotQuoteMe]

Not planning to buy the game either way because the last game bored me out.

But I'm planning to boycott any games these studios work on in the future if they take no action, yeah and Sony too. My backlog is very big btw.

 

[TDiddyLive]

So offensive joke tweets about killing a man and celebrating it, not okay, has to result in cancelling and stop consuming media with the people involved.
Offensive joke tweets about pedophilia, endorsing it, celebrating it and joking about the victims, okay. no cancelling, still consuming media with the people involved.

Which real life victims was he making fun of?

Dark humor can be off putting, including jokes about death, but can be forgiven. There are many factors involved, like timing. 9/11 jokes have recently become a trend, while very off putting, aren't as harmful as they would have been 20 years ago.

Also, jokes aren't the same as celebrating the recent death of an innocent man.

 

[Dr.Morris79]

What a brain dead take. He was advocating possession of firearms for defense (of the individual, of our rights, etc.), not for murder. He didn't advocate sacrifice. You really just said he would defend the way he was murdered? He never said murder was okay.

Exactly. I'm honestly finding some of these takes quite eye opening if I'm honest..

You can certainly see a person's character shine through. And what a wonderful insight it is

You can see we're a bit cooked and on a road to utter destruction. Par the course I guess

Onwards and downwards.

If this is the 'progressive' world certain folks want to keep pushing us towards, I really need to start scouting a good spot in the woods

 

[Tiago Rodrigues]

It's not me not getting anything. It's you thats trying to justify it by saying 'yeah, ironic eh, whoops' is the problem.

You're giving justification to the shooter.

And like I said, if that's a world you want to live in, then, yeah.. Good luck

Correction: It was the world he defended and wanted to live in. Not me.

Look i'm not saying the guy deserved to go out like that. Fortunately i'm not like him (even though he says gay people should be stoned to death). I saw the video and what a horrible way to go. And he had 2 kids right?

Imagine growing up with a video everywhere online of your father getting murdered like this. No one deserves to go through that.

 

[TDiddyLive]

This alone is a fair representation of the position (and it is one I agree with btw). It is not meaningfully different to how killjoy represented the position "He did say Americans should accept a few deaths a year in favor of the 2nd amendment." I don't consider that to be an attempt to misrepresent the position at all.

Expounding upon the reason for the Second Amendment existing does not meaningfully alter the position.

Now, obviously if we are meant to infer a 'therefore he deserved it' then I disagree with that, but that was not how I read it and I don't think that's how killjoy meant it.

No it's not. You need the added information to have an informed view of his position.

 

[GrayChild]

Even apart from the absolute retards working at SuckerPunch, were people actually hyped for Ghost of Yotei after the absolute borefest that was the first one?

 

[blue velvet]

I don't understand why people are mad when there are videogame dev layoffs. It always filled me with joy seeing these type of people lose their jobs. Most devs these days hire these types of people anyways, a bunch of politically driven left wing lunatics. They don't hire top tier engineers, writers, coders anymore, it's these literal type of people. When you see a layoffs in the industry, be happy about it, some lunatic lose his/her job.

 

[calico]

Guess I gotta preorder some extra copies.

Thoughts and Haikus to his colleagues that are now scared of having public events like Hasan and such.

They already had reason to fear public events because of how incredibly violent the rabid left has become. In fact violence is pretty much the go-to strategy of the left now that they have been hijacked and coerced into adopting so many unpopular and indefensible policy positions.

He went out and engaged in civil discourse anyway, which was very courageous of him. What a blessing to have achieved so much in such a short life, and far more than any leftist can ever hope to.