Game Developers celebrating assassination of Charlie Kirk (Sucker Punch, Bungie, The Coalition etc) [Update] Sucker Punch Dev Fired
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CliffyB's Cock Holster
There is zero correlation between arguments for and against gun ownership and 2nd amendment rights, and not deploring black-clad snipers assassinating public figures.
Even countries with strict laws on handguns, tend to allow for hunting rifles, so logically there's no basis for "irony".
More to the point though, anyone who supports politically motivated murder is a danger to a civil society and should be dealt with as such by the lawfully elected government.
This is not defensible as a free speech issue.
Even countries with strict laws on handguns, tend to allow for hunting rifles, so logically there's no basis for "irony".
More to the point though, anyone who supports politically motivated murder is a danger to a civil society and should be dealt with as such by the lawfully elected government.
This is not defensible as a free speech issue.
Sakura
Member
And? Is there some relevance to there being any irony?
Don't you think there are lots of things we allow while knowing some people might abuse them or they might result in others being harmed?
By pointing out this "irony", what exactly are you doing other than making light of the situation?
ValiantInstance
Member
Well that changes everything!
I don't ever really care what one person has to say to sway me away from a product, they don't represent everyone on the team. I'm not trying to change anyone's mind about what they choose to support, but if your not going to buy a product because of a few comments from the developer than why are you still consuming media from Hollywood and other areas of entertainment that are filled with peds and other awful things.
It doesn't really surprise me that these comments are coming out. It's no secret that Sony is as woke as they come.
It doesn't really surprise me that these comments are coming out. It's no secret that Sony is as woke as they come.
Banjo64
cumsessed
I'm sure the Democrat party and media machine will put out that he was a republican, or the story will simply be buried to hide the shooters leanings and motivations. It's textbook and we've seen it before.
You must be hard of thinking with a take like that.
justiceiro
Marlboro: Other M
Yeah, just when the current administration started checking social media to grant visa and other rights, you voice your support for political assassination. Could this backfire in anyway? Hmmmm...
StereoVsn
Gold Member
Here is some context. Three high school kids in Colorado have been shot the same day yet in another senseless shooting. Just another *day.
Yes, the assassination was vile, but I have a hard time coming up with outrage since "Thoughts and Prayers" is a response from a lot of politicians and activists.
Baemono
Gold Member
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
The thread title says SuckerPunch, Bungie, The Coalition, etc.......where are the posts from Bungie, The Coalition and etc?????
Bluesky and Twitter are two sides of the same coin.
You want to see unhinged conservatives theres an app for that, want to see unhinged liberals theres an app for that.
Bluesky and Twitter are two sides of the same coin.
You want to see unhinged conservatives theres an app for that, want to see unhinged liberals theres an app for that.
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naguanatak
Member
Let them celebrate, it's their opinion. It doesn't affect me if they spout their stupidity out into the world. Freedom of speech cannot be a one way street. It has to exist for everyone and every opinion under the sun. Acting on it is another matter entirely.
I don't agree with cancelling. If I avoid someone and realise what I don't want to turn into, I withdraw my attention, that is all. They can go on living their life, voicing their opinion, just without my attention. They are not cancelled, I am merely walking away from them.
Cancelling in the culture it exists in today is far more than just other people avoiding the people they don't like. Do you really think people like JK Rowling are just avoided by the people who tried to cancel her?
If people want to stop to support a product if one of a thousand of the people involved behave in a way they don't condone that is their right.
The example with the pedophiles you gave is a good one. You wouldn't be able to consume the majority of media or products in todays world if the stance is don't consume if a pedophile is involved. You can go live in the woods and write your own story, as sad as it is. Just take Disney as an example. If you watch any of their stuff, you're supporting the creation of more "collateral damage" as you called it
edit: oh, and I didn't answer. If I found out 8 of 200 devs of a game I play are hardcore pedophiles and proud of it, I'd know these are absoluetly disgusting people. I'd want them to be dealt with, and that includes them being killed, because I think there is nothing more disgusting then preying on those who cannot defend themselves and are the weakest part of our society. I wouldn't celebrate it online or run through the streets cheering. And that has nothing to do with cancelling their opinion online. If the go online and cheer on phedophelia, I'd still say let them do it, freedom of speech, no matter what...remember? But if they act on it, yeah, cancel their lifes and don't think twice about it. There is a difference between words and actions.
But playing a game in which a pedophile designed a building, made a texture or created the sound for a sci fi vehicle? Do you think that by buying the game I directly support him being a pedo? Do you have a bank account, a smartphone? Do you realise how much bad stuff in this world you support and facilitate incidentally?
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Unknown Soldier
Member
The Bald Man is on the case
Gonzito
Gold Member
This would be the only way I could see myself buying any of their products ever again. Those developers must be fired immediately without noticed
MondoPentecost
Neo Member
Again this binary, separating an artists from the art there is different when an artist who once did something awful and has stopped (usually because they are dead) and artists currently advocating you be shot in the neck so they can gleefully dance on your grave.
Edit: also on your point about other workers not being responsible, why do you think these senior people at the company are so comfortable publicly advocating this evil? You think this is a controversial position where they work?
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StereoVsn
Gold Member
Yeah, nobody should be cheering political assassinations. That's pretty disgusting. Political violence in general shows great radicalization of society.
GamesDontSuck
Member
stop me if i am wrong on this one ... (hey, probably am, i dont know)
So there are a portion of people celebrating Charlie's assassination (which is horrible) and from what I have read online, the general consensus is action/reaction with these people. Charlie said blah blah blah so he deserved to die blah blah blah (again horrible)
So if these Devs lose their jobs over their actions (by posting that online) is that not the exact same as what they were doing? But I am sure they would see that as different right?
(The mental gymnastics is enough to give someone a headache to be honest)
So there are a portion of people celebrating Charlie's assassination (which is horrible) and from what I have read online, the general consensus is action/reaction with these people. Charlie said blah blah blah so he deserved to die blah blah blah (again horrible)
So if these Devs lose their jobs over their actions (by posting that online) is that not the exact same as what they were doing? But I am sure they would see that as different right?
(The mental gymnastics is enough to give someone a headache to be honest)
Sharius
Member
do it, let these idiots search job again in this economy, and they said it's so vile to wish for these people to become unemployment
Zathalus
Member
I want the person in question to be fired, but I simple don't adhere to moral essentialism or collective blame.
realcool
Member
If it is acceptable to celebrate political violence towards you, are you more or less likely to be a victim of political violence?
I'm not sure how to feel about this. Obviously disappointed people would celebrate this. I know if I did this on social media with a direct public association to my company, I'd be pulled into people and culture. Most likely sacked. I don't wish that on anyone in this current economy. But in this case, Sony has to respond and distance themselves from this.
If Sony or whomever take no action, then the cancer is too deep in their companies and it's corrupt within. Then again maybe outside of our little bubble here, no one cares or notices? I have no idea.
Terminating anyone of these people whilst sensible, is probably exactly what they want to happen. Then they can argue free speech and the second amendment as a reason to sue the employer. If I was the Judge, I'd say least your alive.
Ironic isn't it?
If Sony or whomever take no action, then the cancer is too deep in their companies and it's corrupt within. Then again maybe outside of our little bubble here, no one cares or notices? I have no idea.
Terminating anyone of these people whilst sensible, is probably exactly what they want to happen. Then they can argue free speech and the second amendment as a reason to sue the employer. If I was the Judge, I'd say least your alive.
Ironic isn't it?
Killjoy-NL
Member
Good point.
Personally, this is the reason why I never block people or put them on ignore or whatever. Not on social media, not on Gaf, not even co-workers I might completely disagree with in general.
It's detrimental at best.
Doesn't matter, really.
Gonzito
Gold Member
No, it's not the same. Actions have consequences. If people are mocking an innocent man who was murdered, it shows they are mentally deranged. Such individuals should have no place in society, they are a danger to others and should be placed in mental asylums
SomeNorseGuy
Gold Member
Stop it, I can't not buy this game any harder. Already at minus 5 Yōtei's.
TDiddyLive
Member
Give a list of Disney's products that were made by proud pedophiles and I'll stop supporting that product. People here are avoiding Sucker Punch's next product for their actions, not taking the illogical next step of avoiding everything by Sony.
naguanatak
Member
more likely
Venom Snake
Member
Do i condemn the act of murder? Absolutely.
Does this change my plans for the game itself? No.
I am no longer interested in social media ideological wars,too tired of constant gaslighting and politicizing every possible aspect of our lives. From both sides.
Does this change my plans for the game itself? No.
I am no longer interested in social media ideological wars,too tired of constant gaslighting and politicizing every possible aspect of our lives. From both sides.
KungFucius
King Snowflake
This is pretty pathetic. It takes dozens of people to make a game and if one does something you don't like, you hate them all. Um Ok.
naguanatak
Member
I won't make a list, just mention everthing James Gunn is involved in as an example. There is more to find, regardless of people shouting 'conspiracy theory' whenever topics like these are mentioned.
and you're right. There is a difference between stopping the support of a product vs the entire company. Or part of a team directly involved in creating a game vs the parent company.
Sharius
Member
if they don't take any action that mean these "dozens of people" just share same ideology, so it's okay for people doesn't want to buy their product
TDiddyLive
Member
It absolutely does.
If during a speech somebody said, "I was told by a rude man that all women are psychotic, so I argued back to make him see his ways" and then someone posted out of context that in a speech somebody said "all women are psychotic" it sure makes context matter.
MayauMiao
Member
I don't care.
MondoPentecost
Neo Member
There is no moral essentialist argument being made. What if they don't fire them, what do you do then? Do you just shrug and continue to support them as they advocate for murder?
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calico
Member
I think they would probably only have a case if they could show the company accepted similar speech from employees from the other side of the political spectrum.
That is probably how Gina Carano was able to get anything out of Disney.
Dr.Morris79
Gold Member
So fucking what?
That's justification for him to be shot?
Can you hear yourself? Any insight in there?
If you can't comprehend that words shouldn't mean you are shot, then what on earth are you getting at exactly?
If you're really advocating a world where people, like Charlie, should be shot on a premise of simple debate then fuck me, what's the point here?
That's an abhorrent point of view to have. What you're advocating here is a world where if you don't like what people have to say you have full rights to not think critically and just outright kill someone on your complete lack of reasoning..
You really want to live in that world?
I guarantee you don't.
TDiddyLive
Member
Other than some offensive joke tweets, I'm not familiar with anything terrible done by James Gunn. I'm not a fan of his politics, but I've enjoyed stuff he's done in the past.
That's right, you go after the product the offender was directly involved in. Sure, other people might be included, but they also can condemn what was said. Negative controversy should make whoever is in charge take notice and take corrective action.
Cyberpunkd
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Killjoy-NL
Member
Giallo Corsa
Member
You don't understand Gonz, it's all about "muh Vidjya games"...
calico
Member
It matters, but I will say that while Killjoy paraphrased it, he did not misrepresent the position.
Revolutionary
Member
Does the "opinions are my own" thing really absolve them of any punitive measures? They're still representing Sucker Punch in their bio.
consoul
Member
No.
This is not how I understand the situation at all. Assuming that views expressed by someone on a clearly marked "views mine" "personal account" are supported by their employer is absurd.
I am quite comfortable living in a world where people can express their personal views and we can disagree with them, we can mock them, we can find them abhorrent. That's OK.
I don't hold your boss accountable for your views. If your boss has a big problem with your views, that's between you and them. Its not my place to tell your boss what to think. What I think has no fucking relevance to your continued employment.
MrTroubleMaker
Gold Member
Killjoy-NL
Member
I never said anything about what he deserves or not.
I said it's ironic. Nothing more.
As for him, I have no particular opinion on him. There's stuff he said that I agreed with, there's stuff I disagreed with.
He just became part of the few deaths he talked about.
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