I'm sure she did. Just like Robb had a plan to take Casterly Rock. Shit happens
I think her plan was to have Loras go through the motions and skip town and then ignore his renounced titles etc. She was pissed that he was mutilated
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I'm sure she did. Just like Robb had a plan to take Casterly Rock. Shit happens
I think her plan was to have Loras go through the motions and skip town and then ignore his renounced titles etc. She was pissed that he was mutilated
He is so doing the series finale.
And considering how all of us love the Oscar girl, we are going to get screwed next season when LF chooses to slayed her in the most terrible way after she trolled his plan.T_T........GoT!!!!!
I thought it was obvious but I was objecting to "being fed to the dogs" part not the death part.
It was kinda stupid for something you're trying to keep hidden by doing it in front of everyone at Winterfell.
He could've just had them silently killed and then have them fed them to the dogs afterward when no one was around.
ComputerBlue
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Wart penis had a bunch of people complaining that it was just that.
You're sipping that Cersei tea little to hard. If she was winning she wouldn't be in the position she is right now. Her lack of foresight is a pretty glaring flaw in her character that prevents from ever being a great player of politics. She alienated all her allie and made enemies of them. The Lannister/Crown are broke. Their only real military force is the Lannister army, and shes' surrounded on all sides by her enemies.
Killing the Sparrows and the Tyrells didn't really accomplish anything. She's Queen in name only. She's basically in the same postiton she was at the start of the season, imminent death.
I like the points you make.
I will however point out that she is likely to get Euron as an ally.
Here's an overlooked moment from the finale that I think is a really nice and appropriate little character moment, especially for this specific character:
Theon seeing the winds change as they set sail.
Yara looks so fucking badass here.
I have a feeling she's going to have a tough time with her people. Sailing home with the descendants of her islands' conquerors and telling them they have to behave.
You guys are so hung up on this "they won't behave" angle. Perhaps these people's why of life was dictated to them by their leaders. Yara has been shown as someone who is highly thought of and respected by her men and people. Also, if people couldn't change, why haven't the Wildings raped, butchered, and cannibalised (Thenn) everyone in the north yet? I mean Tormund wipes out villages, but we're cool with him now though right?
Olenna actually perfectly laid out Cersei's situation when Cersei came to her for an alliance. Cersei's situation hasn't changed at all since then, in fact she's worse off because Jaime is probably going to actively work against her instead of just being absent.
For a while, it looked like Vyseris was competing with Joffrey to become the biggest asshole even though I had trouble believing someone as stupid could have lived as long as he did, a Targaryen on the run, desperately needing secrecy just to stay alive.
CountAntonius
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Will the Iron Bank ever kick ass? They are spoken of as a force NOBODY can out power. It would be funny if as we wait for Dany to get to Kings Landing with her Army the Iron Bank steps in and clears everything out before they even arrive.
water_wendi
Water is not wet!
That would be amazing to see an army of repo men taking shit out of the Red Keep in boxes.
I'm surprised they didn't bankroll Daenerys
Napoleonthechimp
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Grey Worm has no balls but has a dick. Theon has balls but no dick.
I feel that is an important distinction. Basically, Grey Worm's sexual desires are either non-existent or greatly reduced. Theon still wants to bone women but can't do a damn thing.
Didn't the first faceless men establish Braavos and the Iron Bank? Or did I misremember that?
If so then the faceless men have trained up Arya and sent her off to go kill the shit birds infesting Westeros. Perhaps that was their plan after all.
It's part of their culture. No matter how respected she is, she will face massive resistance to the idea of changing.
And all the Thenns are dead.
Melhisedek
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Guys, I'm under so much pressure here 
Everybody wants me to watch the series and even I want to watch them, but I wanted to read the books first.
So in short will I destroy the enjoyment of reading the books by watching this show?
Everybody wants me to watch the series and even I want to watch them, but I wanted to read the books first.So in short will I destroy the enjoyment of reading the books by watching this show?
Monocle
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Hey you guys, I can't wait for this week's GoT episode! How about you?
Oh shit.
Also, the show straight up ruins most of the great material it adapts for seasons 4 and 5. Especially 4's finale, ugh. Don't worry though, Season 6 (which moves ahead of the books for the first time) is immensely better.
Oh shit.
Yes, if you're even slightly interested in reading the books, do that first. They have better versions of most major scenes in the show. You will get a lot more insight into the characters, and some really cool prequelish stuff that informs the current story, which the show unfortunately had to omit (for the sake of streamlining, I assume).Guys, I'm under so much pressure here
So in short will I destroy the enjoyment of reading the books by watching this show?
Also, the show straight up ruins most of the great material it adapts for seasons 4 and 5. Especially 4's finale, ugh. Don't worry though, Season 6 (which moves ahead of the books for the first time) is immensely better.
Fear is an excellent motivator. When the war is over, and all those who follow Euron are dead, those who remain will see it in their best interest to change. Culture doesn't mean jack shit in fiction where the hand of the author if god's will.
but the penis though
Remember that scene where two people were fucking, it zooms out and we see that a guy is watching them while getting a BJ, then it zooms out and Littlefinger is watching and then a bit later a LF wipes off cum from a hooker's mouth then she kisses a guy?
RIP that, Game of Thrones might as well be on a Christian Channel now.
RIP that, Game of Thrones might as well be on a Christian Channel now.
Aye.
Margaery was all about always siding with whoever is on top.
She was betrothed to Renly, when his claim on the throne seemed to be the most realistic one. She was married to both Joffrey and Tommen. She made the poor of King's Landing fall in love with her by feigning altruism.
Since she couldn't "marry" the high sparrow, she sided with him and wanted her brother to do the same thing.
She always chose to side with whoever was on the rise / on top.
Her long game plan might have been setting up herself or Loras as a higher up among the faith militant, who knows.
Sadly, all her eggs wer in that one basket, and that basket got blown up.
Sure but we're talking in Watsonian terms not Doylist terms.
I'm trying to assume good writing would rule the day here.
Also this all depends on whether Daenerys lives or not. If she dies or her dragons die, the ironborn won't change for squat.
Monocle
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I like to think the show has grown beyond puerile boundary pushing. As explicit as the books are, some of the sex and gore in the show felt shoehorned to me. Look how well this latest season told its stories without showing Ramsay skin bits of Rickon or Yara bang wenches.
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
I really need to get to the bottom of what the fuck happened between Ep01 leading into Ep09/10, because the overall direction, cinematography, score, performances, etc are just so much fucking better and more adherent to high level cinematic standards it's just utterly bewildering how a difference exists in the first place. Both Ep09/10 have such a stricter cohesion between all facets of the cinematic medium to bring performances, framing, score, and narrative together. It's out-of-this-world good compared to an overwhelming majority of the entire fucking series.
I can't put it down to just talent, because these guys and gals have worked on other episodes before. Time? Luck? Budget? Maybe just a perfect storm of all the right pieces coming together. Because man, few if any episodes across all sixty come together with such completion as those last two.
I can't put it down to just talent, because these guys and gals have worked on other episodes before. Time? Luck? Budget? Maybe just a perfect storm of all the right pieces coming together. Because man, few if any episodes across all sixty come together with such completion as those last two.
It's simple: GoT is wrapping up.
No more go-nowhere narratives. No more dangling plotlines. No more stalling.
Season 5 (and maybe a bit of of early season 6) suffered from being a show not really knowing where its story is going. A lot of GoT up to this point has been Benioff and Weiss holding on while Martin got his shit together. LOL - good luck at that, though.
I imagine every episode from here on out is going to be tight and focused.
Great season overall!
Creepy sadist, religious lunatic and opportunistic mouse-face all got what they deserved.
I just wonder how they're going to build up tension in the upcoming conflict. D's army is friggin huge now! What's Darth Cersei's trump card? She can't do the C4 trick anymore for sure.
Creepy sadist, religious lunatic and opportunistic mouse-face all got what they deserved.
I just wonder how they're going to build up tension in the upcoming conflict. D's army is friggin huge now! What's Darth Cersei's trump card? She can't do the C4 trick anymore for sure.
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
If you look at their history, there have been rulers that have mainly focused on trade and politics over reaving. (It's also basically what Yara wanted to do anyway so I don't super get her objections.) So it's certainly possible for them not to be jerks.
jediyoshi
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I'd say a combination of more budget going toward these battle setpiece/finale episodes and actual director talent. Sapochnik's only other directed episodes are Hardhome and The Gift which is probably the only other episode that makes interesting use of the High Sparrow.
Napoleonthechimp
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I lol'd.
Nameless
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That's a fun way of framing a feud both parties stoked and escalated over the past four seasons. Did Olenna not kill Cersei's first born and immediately send Margaery to ensare her last? Did Margaery not succeed in gaining complete control over Tommen and serve him up to High Sparrow? A move that ruined the military action meant to free her & Loras and end HS in one stroke. Margeary turned Cersei's son against her, and no doubt had a hand in crushing her trial by combat plans, knowing how she thinks. When Olenna realized what Margaery was doing(thanks to the Rose) and what that meant for Cersei, did she answer her desperate request for help or did she mock and insult her about how hopelessly beaten she was?
And Kevan. Fucking Kev. He fashioned himself head of the family after Tywin died and made no attempt to work with his niece. He tucked-tail back Casterly Rock only to weasel back when she was imprisoned, slither into the Hand position, and cozy up to the Tyrells-- content to let her rot.
Cersei did, however, slowly alienate Pycelle by treating him like shit, I'll give you that. But let's not pretend like defeating people actively plotting your downfall after years of feuding is the same as driving away some placid and loyal ally.
That poor prostitute who got her tits sucked right off by Yara was pretty brutal, but at least we didn't get to see it on screen, as that would have been fairly gratuitous.
haha STOP! Poor Margeary!
And I agree with Nameless regarding Cersei; she had no options. It was either kill or be killed. When seen through her perspective, her actions were ruthless but her hand was forced, so what was the queen mother to do?
Also, I keep reading variations of "Cersei is so dumb, doesn't she know she's totally screwed?" Um, there is a good chance that Cersei DOES realize how fucked she is. Surely she knows that she doesn't have any alliances worth mentioning and must develop some kind of game plan. I wonder what that plan will be? I'm kind of hoping Dark Cersei makes it all the way until the end. Maybe the white walkers will create a big enough diversion to pull Danys forces away from Kings Landing, allowing the Queen more time to plot everyone's downfall?
Theon Greywormjoy
DeathByBacklog
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But such a dead sexy mouse-face.
DeathByBacklog
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More disappointing then the Cersei CGI-fest.
I wanted to see it, not (just) for the nudity, but I wouldn't have been surprised if people would have been a lot kinder for her. Imagine how it would infuriate Cersei if Margery walked through the street with everyone in reverent silence, a few even giving statements of support in stark (hehe) contrast to how Cersei was treated.
FreeMufasa
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Wtf happened to the mountain. Was it from when he got waxed by the dawn dude?
???
ComputerBlue
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Season 7, episode 1, yo
Vincent Alexander
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Honestly, she should've known her son had it in him to kill himself like that. Tommen had already done harm to himself when he starved himself after Margaery was locked up. If her getting locked up caused him to react like that...then Cersei is mental to not at least not prepare for what he might do in reaction. Like I said---she is great at the next step or 2. But she can't see very far in front of her face.
Masterful? Mrmm...I can't see it as masterful. She blew the hell out of a bunch of people, and made sure to wipe out the council in the process. But the high sparrow had done the hard work. He'd gathered everyone in the sept, save for one extra she needed to kill. While it was all awesome, and well-played, there wasn't anything super sneaky, smart, or tricksy about what she did. She found out wildfire was under the city, and she lit that shit up at the right moment. And her window wasn't small or anything either. To top it off, Margaery took no time at all to realize they should get out of there. If not for the almost forced stubbornness of the high sparrow, her plan would've actually failed. Then she really would've been screwed.
Vincent Alexander
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Yeah, and maybe maybe that's true because the blast radius is pretty decent. I still wouldn't call her work masterful though.
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