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Game of Thrones *NO BOOK SPOILERS* |OT| Season 3 - Sundays on HBO [Read the OP]

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Gobias

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I had to read a lot of recaps after I watched this episode. Didn't even know who that guy at the end was. Hopefully we get some Ayra and Jaime next episode. I could watch an entire episode of them and Tyrion.

Also, I don't understand how people could hate more and more supernatural things on the show. The very first scene of the pilot was supernatural.
 
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Tacitus_

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Steelyuhas said:
He was also raised by Ned, who was a leader in Robert's Rebillion and the Greyjoy Rebellion, so it's pretty safe to assume Ned was a good tactician. (and Ned mentioned his father was good as well, stating that he "never knew him to be wrong about matters of combat".)
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I think it's fair to assume that male nobles of big Houses are all trained as tacticians to some degree. Roberts Rebellion was spearheaded by Robert and Ned, while currently Rob, Tywin, papa Greyjoy and Stannis act as the generals of their forces. Goes with the times, really. There were hardly any professional armies and when armies were needed they were raised from the peasants.
 
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xenist

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Gobias said:
Also, I don't understand how people could hate more and more supernatural things on the show. The very first scene of the pilot was supernatural.
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Beats me.

Tacitus_ said:
I think it's fair to assume that male nobles of big Houses are all trained as tacticians to some degree. Roberts Rebellion was spearheaded by Robert and Ned, while currently Rob, Tywin, papa Greyjoy and Stannis act as the generals of their forces. Goes with the times, really. There were hardly any professional armies and when armies were needed they were raised from the peasants.
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That was the whole way the society GOT is modeled from worked. You had the nobles whose guaranteed income was depended on their military use to their king. They pretty much had one job and that was to be ready for war if the order came. They in turn kept a small "professional" force on retainer and they would raise the bulk of their share of men from the people that lived on their property. After the fall of the Western Roman Empire and the fall of the Eastern Roman Empire the concept of a professional, academy trained military officer was practically non existent. Then, especially in times of turmoil a mercenary "class" would appear made from ordinary people who being made to fight developed either an affinity for the job or saw it as opportunity for profit. Your Brons and what have you. Of course there were cases of organized professional fighter classes. Either free mercenaries like the Swiss pikemen, the Genovese crossbowmen, the Stratioti. Or slaves like the Janissaries the Ottomans used and the Mamluks that the Fatimid in Egypt mainly used. Which are the ones the Unsullied are based on.
 
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Brashnir

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SolidusDave said:
They looted but it doesn't seem like they made enough considering they were quite unhappy about the empty safe.
Though yeah, realistically they should have the wealth of all the leaders, which just has to be a lot?

But I'm expecting her to just take the army w/o paying. Slave seller is an asshole anyway so maybe she can perform some "miracle" ("free" the slaves/show dragons) to simply convince the soldiers to fight for her cause. Can totally see them making a point by letting one-nipple-guy kill the slave seller instead of obeying him again :p
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I'm pretty sure they only looted Xaro Xhoan Daxos' place. The other leaders were dead, but I think it's fair to say that there was still somebody left of their family/guards/retainers that would have protected it. Qarth wasn't completely empty.

After all, they used the loot to buy a ship, and didn't simply take them all.
 
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Kozak

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Brashnir said:
I'm pretty sure they only looted Xaro Xhoan Daxos' place. The other leaders were dead, but I think it's fair to say that there was still somebody left of their family/guards/retainers that would have protected it. Qarth wasn't completely empty.

After all, they used the loot to buy a ship, and didn't simply take them all.
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Yes this is one issue I had with how the show. When we first see the insides of Qarth it is pretty populated but everything after its as if only the 13 lives there.
 
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Violet_0

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Qarth was really underdeveloped in the show. I'm also kinda surprised that there are still warlocks running about (maybe from other cities?), I got the impression that there was only one warlock in Qarth and he had the power to create doppelgaenger at will (and then died a really stupid death)
 
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Madness

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Gobias said:
I had to read a lot of recaps after I watched this episode. Didn't even know who that guy at the end was. Hopefully we get some Ayra and Jaime next episode. I could watch an entire episode of them and Tyrion.

Also, I don't understand how people could hate more and more supernatural things on the show. The very first scene of the pilot was supernatural.
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I think it's because then, it was implied and wasn't so in your face. Like wtf was that thing with the blue eyes? What is this world etc. It worked sort of like that scene in the movie Signs, when you finally see that blurry footage of the 'alien' near the bushes.

Nothing was too out of the ordinary, felt like watching a great show in medieval England etc. Murder, betrayals, fights, etc. And yet that first episode made you wonder there is something out there people have forgotten.

And then all of a sudden you have dragons, you have shape shifters, zombies, shadows that kill people, weird dream shit where you turn into your wolf, warlocks who can clone themselves, all kinds of weird things.

And you have to remember, we didn't read the books, we didn't know just how 'crazy' things get. I thought it would be a bit subtle as magic returns to the land etc.

I know what I wrote sounds dumb, but to someone who didn't know what game of thrones was before the first season, could you have ever thought it would turn into this?
 
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Brashnir

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Madness said:
I think it's because then, it was implied and wasn't so in your face. Like wtf was that thing with the blue eyes? What is this world etc. It worked sort of like that scene in the movie Signs, when you finally see that blurry footage of the 'alien' near the bushes.

Nothing was too out of the ordinary, felt like watching a great show in medieval England etc. Murder, betrayals, fights, etc. And yet that first episode made you wonder there is something out there people have forgotten.

And then all of a sudden you have dragons, you have shape shifters, zombies, shadows that kill people, weird dream shit where you turn into your wolf, warlocks who can clone themselves, all kinds of weird things.

And you have to remember, we didn't read the books, we didn't know just how 'crazy' things get. I thought it would be a bit subtle as magic returns to the land etc.

I know what I wrote sounds dumb, but to someone who didn't know what game of thrones was before the first season, could you have ever thought it would turn into this?
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To be fair, the books make the same turn from mostly pure human intrigue into more high fantasy themed things in just the same way the show does. It's perhaps a little more jarring on the show since the pace is accelerated a bit and fewer hints are dropped along the way, but it's very similar in both.
 
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Kozak

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I like to believe that is the intention of George RR Martin. A lot of characters in the show/book think magic is a load of bollocks and those are the characters we first get introduced and comfortable with so when those characters are finally exposed to these mythical creatures, we share the same disbelief as them.

Like Bron with the wildfire, Davos with that shadow birth.
 
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Brashnir

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Kozak said:
I like to believe that is the intention of George RR Martin. A lot of characters in the show/book think magic is a load of bollocks and those are the characters we first get introduced and comfortable with so when those characters are finally exposed to these mythical creatures, we share the same disbelief as them.

Like Bron with the wildfire, Davos with that shadow birth.
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I don't disagree. Hell, slowly-doling-out-the-magic-shit is even a tried and true fantasy trope.

On the other hand, I can see where people are coming from when they say the human side of this story is so good that it doesn't need that stuff.
 
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Funky Papa

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I'm just going to say that I'm so glad I didn't know about giants being in S3. I thought they'd be extinct by now, so I was pleasantly surprised to see they are still alive, even if that came a bit out of the blue. I wish I could say the same about other plot tidbits (but that's what I deserve for peeking at ASOIF and daring to read YouTube's comments).
 
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Violet_0

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Funky Papa said:
I'm just going to say that I'm so glad I didn't know about giants being in S3. I thought they'd be extinct by now, so I was pleasantly surprised to see they are still alive, even if that came a bit out of the blue.
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she will fight the other giant and save King's Landing in a later episode. Oh, sorry spoiler
 
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Madness

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Brashnir said:
To be fair, the books make the same turn from mostly pure human intrigue into more high fantasy themed things in just the same way the show does. It's perhaps a little more jarring on the show since the pace is accelerated a bit and fewer hints are dropped along the way, but it's very similar in both.
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Really? Yeah that's my point. That you're just finding out about this world, seeing the characters, learning about the history. And if you didn't read the books, you wouldn't know a single thing about what the world was like. I literally just turned the show on one day and started watching and was hooked. And the first episode, you see the white walker, it's like holy shit what was that and then ned beheads that guy because he didn't believe him. And so I thought it would slowly be hinted, like it's a time long forgotten. And we got hints like Ayra finding the bones of the Dragon hidden in the dungeons etc. And then the end it's like holy shit, dragons are real now what.

Kozak said:
I like to believe that is the intention of George RR Martin. A lot of characters in the show/book think magic is a load of bollocks and those are the characters we first get introduced and comfortable with so when those characters are finally exposed to these mythical creatures, we share the same disbelief as them.

Like Bron with the wildfire, Davos with that shadow birth.
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Yeah, but for us, it was a bit too much, too fast and just started getting a bit too weird. All of a sudden you have shape shifters, warlocks, zombies, weird women who birth shadows etc. And I understand that people imagine it's a state of disbelief it's like where the fuck is all of this coming from, so quickly, you know?
 
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Pastry said:
You went into it knowing that it was a fantasy show though, it's not like all of this sprung out of nowhere.
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Yes, I knew even if I hadn't read the books and I'm still enjoying the show. Just saying for me personally, it would've been even better without the fantasy elements because the overall story and characters are so well written.
 
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Mario007

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Madness said:
Really? Yeah that's my point. That you're just finding out about this world, seeing the characters, learning about the history. And if you didn't read the books, you wouldn't know a single thing about what the world was like. I literally just turned the show on one day and started watching and was hooked. And the first episode, you see the white walker, it's like holy shit what was that and then ned beheads that guy because he didn't believe him. And so I thought it would slowly be hinted, like it's a time long forgotten. And we got hints like Ayra finding the bones of the Dragon hidden in the dungeons etc. And then the end it's like holy shit, dragons are real now what.



Yeah, but for us, it was a bit too much, too fast and just started getting a bit too weird. All of a sudden you have shape shifters, warlocks, zombies, weird women who birth shadows etc. And I understand that people imagine it's a state of disbelief it's like where the fuck is all of this coming from, so quickly, you know?
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To be fair they are taking their sweet ass time with the fantasy thing. You see a White Walker in the opening of S1 but then you won't really see them until the end of S2. There's one scene with a zombie in S1 and the sacrifice of the kids in S2.We also always had the weird dreams that implied something is odd with Brann but we still don't know what, even after 2 seasons. Dragons were also very nicely developed through the lore in S1, then at the end there was the 'oh shit' moment but in S2 they were largely missing.

So really the show does easy you in big time into these concepts.
 
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Azih

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Blader5489 said:
They don't have the time to shoot more than 10 a year.
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Yeah they're not running into financial limitations They're running into problems with TIME AND SPACE.

Can't expect the crew and cast to work on the show 12 months a year. Well not realistically anyway.
 
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sangreal

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It's not like I'm looking for 26 episodes a season. I'd like to see 12-13, like most other shows including HBO's other big shows
 
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Steelyuhas

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David and Dan are working year round on the show, they have no hiatus. The show has production demands that no show faces. Unless you start cutting out filming locations, and making other radical changes that will significantly impact the quality of the show, they simply can't do more than 10 episodes.
 
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J-Rod

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Brashnir said:
I'm pretty sure they only looted Xaro Xhoan Daxos' place. The other leaders were dead, but I think it's fair to say that there was still somebody left of their family/guards/retainers that would have protected it. Qarth wasn't completely empty.

After all, they used the loot to buy a ship, and didn't simply take them all.
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It seems like I recall them looting pretty much what you could call the town square last season towards the very end. The place were most scenes were shot inside qarth. Jorah and Dany were by a golden statue and they said something to the extent of, "this ought to get a ship" and you could see Dany's enterouge looting the hell out of everything in the background.
 
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sangreal said:
It's not like I'm looking for 26 episodes a season. I'd like to see 12-13, like most other shows including HBO's other big shows
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Other big shows are single location/studio lot productions. GoT is being filmed in Iceland, Ireland, Morocco, Malta and Croatia. At the same time.

It's just not logistically feasible to try and produce, film and post-produce (effects, score, ADR) more than ten episodes a season.

I wish it wasn't so, but I'd rather watch 10 episodes with amazing production values than more with average values.
 
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fawaz

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Can't a giant with good armor take a whole army of men by himself. The one we saw was rediculously huge.
 
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John Harker

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J-Rod said:
It seems like I recall them looting pretty much what you could call the town square last season towards the very end. The place were most scenes were shot inside qarth. Jorah and Dany were by a golden statue and they said something to the extent of, "this ought to get a ship" and you could see Dany's enterouge looting the hell out of everything in the background.
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What I don't get is, how are there so many Dothraki left with her?

What, 30-40 tops stayed with her after Drogo died. And most where the elderly and infirm.
Maybe half, 2/3 tops survived the red wastes. And then the slaughter at Xao's palace, where most of the able body ones where killed. Now, we got a ship full of vomiting Dothraki!

Her 'clan' are the new 'beach survivors' on LOST.
They don't die, they multiply!
 
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Westonian

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John Harker said:
What I don't get is, how are there so many Dothraki left with her?

What, 30-40 tops stayed with her after Drogo died. And most where the elderly and infirm.
Maybe half, 2/3 tops survived the red wastes. And then the slaughter at Xao's palace, where most of the able body ones where killed. Now, we got a ship full of vomiting Dothraki!

Her 'clan' are the new 'beach survivors' on LOST.
They don't die, they multiply!
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There were maybe a handful of Dothraki on the ship. The rest of the crew were sailors hired at Qarth.
 
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RDreamer

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I can't complain about only 10 episodes. I'd love more, but if you think about it we're getting basically the equivalent of 3 fully produced fantasy movies per year.

That's insane.
 
Wiktor

Wiktor

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sangreal said:
It's not like I'm looking for 26 episodes a season. I'd like to see 12-13, like most other shows including HBO's other big shows
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Well..it is lenght of 12 episodes of most shows. GoT eps go for 55-60 minutes, while standard shows last 40-45
 
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fawaz

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Another question. How does Danny plan on buying the army? Did't she spend all she got from Quarth on the ship?

How will she get them to Westeros?
 
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sangreal

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fawaz said:
Another question. How does Danny plan on buying the army? Did't she spend all she got from Quarth on the ship?

How will she get them to Westeros?
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I think she plans on reuniting with the Dothraki before going to Westeros since she was talking about that on the ship. She has to wait for the Dragons to grow up anyway
 
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MushroomSamba

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Westonian said:
12-15 feet high is ridiculously huge? I think of them more like the trolls in LotR. Certainly formidable, but not invincible.
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Actually, yeah, I'd say that qualifies. Imagine Shaq, but twice as tall and probably weighs like half a ton. I'd imagine it'd be like a gradeschool teacher beating up the entire class of students.
 
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fawaz

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Westonian said:
12-15 feet high is ridiculously huge? I think of them more like the trolls in LotR. Certainly formidable, but not invincible.
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I am pretty sure with good armor I could take a whole army of people with the same size difference on the opposite side from me.
 
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fawaz

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sangreal said:
I think she plans on reuniting with the Dothraki before going to Westeros since she was talking about that on the ship. She has to wait for the Dragons to grow up anyway
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How will she take them anywhere?
She'll need the more gold to buy ships in addition to the cost of the army, which I believe she doesn't have.
 
Kadayi

Kadayi

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sangreal said:
It's not like I'm looking for 26 episodes a season. I'd like to see 12-13, like most other shows including HBO's other big shows
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Those aren't shooting over multiple worldwide locations though. If everything was green screened in some backlot studio then they'd probably logistically be able to shoot more, but at the same time it wouldn't quite have the look. Also IIRC they said something about slightly longer episodes this year (average 5 minutes more), so in a way we are getting an extra episodes worth of footage in there.
 
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