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- Also, I hope Tywin pushes the pace on Stannis soon. Dragonstone is way too close to King's Landing to let Stannis sit idle and think of his next plan. Stannis needs something to do besides weep about his rightful place on the Throne. We probably won't see movement with Stannis until the red priestess returns and Stannis tries whatever plan she comes up with.

Stannis is clearly breaking with the red priestess now, and I think he might repent and free Davos by the end of this season. That is, if he doesn't get killed before doing so - I sure hope not. His wife seems really unstable though, and might try to off him if she notices that he is losing his faith

I wonder what the relationship between Melisandre and the Brotherhood Without Banners is. 'Cause the Brotherhood is awesome and Melisandre can go die in a fire. I'll be very disappointed if it turns out they are followers of hers

 

[jaxword]

I'm confused, does this thread title not say "NO BOOK SPOILERS"?

This is happening all over the internet, people coming in and despite tons of warnings, keep posting their insider book knowledge.

They just don't care.

 

[A More Normal Bird]

Now, he's just beheaded his closest bannerman and his kin under the guise of justice.

Just going to point out that the viewer's guide puts House Karstark's formation at 700 years ago, so Robb might not be considered a a kinslayer in the way Stannis (killed Renly) or perhaps even Jaime (killed his cousin in the cell with him) could be.

 

[Azih]

He just lost the fucking war. Wtf. Why behead his own bannerman and serving lords because they murdered an enemy prisoner?

Robb is a sucker for THE LAW like his Dad (Ned was pretty behead happy as well).

 

[Tacitus_]

Btw, you guys shouldn't google the credits song. While it doesn't have spoilers in the lyrics, the book discussion around the other rhymes from the character have one of the biggest spoilers in the series.

 

[kittoo]

Dude. Lord Bolton has been Robb's bannerman since the beginning. He's present throughout Seasons 2&3.
I don't know why he's treating Jaime with respect. Maybe he's just respectful of all highborn POWs, and he understands the negotiation power of having Jaime Lannister. Or he's keeping him intact for Robb.

But weren't those were also Bolton's men who burned Winterfell, and not the Greyjoys?

 

[jaxword]

But weren't those were also Bolton's men who burned Winterfell, and not the Greyjoys?

We don't know who burned Winterfell yet.

Book readers probably do. But show viewers would not. That's a good way to see if someone's trying to pass off book knowledge as speculation.


Best guess is that it was the Bolton men, since the Ironborn were busy retreating. But maybe they tossed a bunch of firebombs as they were escaping? We haven't been told yet.

 

[Madness]

Just going to point out that the viewer's guide puts House Karstark's formation at 700 years ago, so Robb might not be considered a a kinslayer in the way Stannis (killed Renly) or perhaps even Jaime (killed his cousin in the cell with him) could be.

Yeah, I know it's not the same. I meant that he just beheaded who are probably the closest allies and early kin of the Starks. It's one thing if it was another Lord who served in the North etc. But it's like Karstark said, we both share the same blood of the first men, we are kin, Stark and Karstark, I fought for your father against the Mad King, and with you against Joffrey etc.

How close they were is personified by the fact the Karstarks were half of Robb's forces.

 

[Blatz]

We don't know who burned Winterfell yet.

Book readers probably do. But show viewers would not. That's a good way to see if someone's trying to pass off book knowledge as speculation.


Best guess is that it was the Bolton men, since the Ironborn were busy retreating. But maybe they tossed a bunch of firebombs as they were escaping? We haven't been told yet.

I thought Theon confessed to burning Winterfell when he was sobbing in that tunnel. When he was saying that he made a mistake and all that.

Edit:Maybe he was just talking about the orphan boys

 

[kittoo]

We don't know who burned Winterfell yet.

Book readers probably do. But show viewers would not. That's a good way to see if someone's trying to pass off book knowledge as speculation.


Best guess is that it was the Bolton men, since the Ironborn were busy retreating. But maybe they tossed a bunch of firebombs as they were escaping? We haven't been told yet.

Damn I want to read the books, most probably will. There are so many questions.
The only reason I am hesitating is because I know the books too will end up giving me more questions as the story is not complete there either.

And Robb is indeed an idiot.

 

[jaxword]

I thought Theon confessed to burning Winterfell when he was sobbing in that tunnel. When he was saying that he made a mistake and all that.

That's true, but it seems more like a metaphorical "I've burned everything I had down" since it'd be impossible for Theon to have burned anything after he got knocked out and given to Bolton's men.

 

[Madness]

That's true, but it seems more like a metaphorical "I've burned everything I had down" since it'd be impossible for Theon to have burned anything after he got knocked out and given to Bolton's men.

So it's confirmed the men who have Theon are indeed Bolton's men? Only because people have been spoiling it in the thread since the start I wouldn't be surprised. Some people made great leaps to try and show it too.

But if you obviously know what to look for, you can easily attempt to pass off the truth showing examples. I just feel sorry for Theon at this point. That line about his real father being beheaded in Kings Landing was great.

 

[jaxword]

So it's confirmed the men who have Theon are indeed Bolton's men? Only because people have been spoiling it in the thread since the start I wouldn't be surprised. Some people made great leaps to try and show it too.

But if you obviously know what to look for, you can easily attempt to pass off the truth showing examples. I just feel sorry for Theon at this point.

I'm just speculating too, actually, on the Bolton men having Theon. We don't know that either, but if you saw anyone confirming it as fact, they were probably book readers playing their silly spoiler game. Hope they get banned.

For a while I thought it was actually the Ironborn who were torturing him in some sort of sick orders from his father. "What is dead may never die" and all that.

But then after he got away and then got recaptured just to find out about the Stark boys? That wouldn't make sense, his father could literally have just asked him. So that leaves the bastard of Bolton as the likely suspect as to who has him.

 

[Madness]

I'm just speculating too, actually, on the Bolton men having Theon. We don't know that either, but if you saw anyone confirming it as fact, they were probably book readers playing their silly spoiler game. Hope they get banned.

For a while I thought it was actually the Ironborn who were torturing him in some sort of sick orders from his father. "What is dead may never die" and all that.

But then after he got away and then got recaptured just to find out about the Stark boys? That wouldn't make sense, his father could literally have just asked him. So that leaves the bastard of Bolton as the likely suspect as to who has him.

How can he redeem himself at this point? Because of him, so many died, personally killed Ser Roderick and botched the job, those two kids. If he goes to the Nights Watch like Bran's caretaker Luwin said, Jon would probably have him killed for the betrayal, it seems his father hates him. Don't know where Yara is and her 30 ships full of men.

 

[Incognito]

Wait, what.

All this Jorah talk above.

Is that not a spoiler? I've seen every episode so far. Was it definitely said by Varys that Jorah fed him the information?

My mind has just been blown that I've missed this crucial information.

Does anyone have a YouTube clip of the council scene with Varys that was mentioned?

I missed it, too. I remember the small council meeting and Robert wanting to kill Dany, with Ned opposing. I didn't catch that Varys told Ned that Jorah was the informant, though. Sheesh. So why the hell did he protect her when the assassin finally arrived?

 

[Azih]

So why the hell did he protect her when the assassin finally arrived?

Man fell in lurrrrv.

 

[jaxword]

How can he redeem himself at this point? Because of him, so many died, personally killed Ser Roderick and botched the job, those two kids. If he goes to the Nights Watch like Bran's caretaker Luwin said, Jon would probably have him killed for the betrayal, it seems his father hates him. Don't know where Yara is and her 30 ships full of men.

GoT isn't really a black and white story of "redemption." There's just people doing horrible things, for good and bad reasons. Just like in real life.

And sometimes in real life, you can't redeem things either, you just have to continue on as best you can.

Maybe Theon will flee Westeros completely, run into Dany when she's about to invade, and then accidentally stab her and save everyone in Westeros without even knowing it.

 

[Madness]

I missed it, too. I remember the small council meeting and Robert wanting to kill Dany, with Ned opposing. I didn't catch that Varys told Ned that Jorah was the informant, though. Sheesh. So why the hell did he protect her when the assassin finally arrived?

I only caught it because I re-watched the first season a month or so back, while waiting for season 3 to start, and after season 2, was more intimately aware of who the characters were.

But it's easy to miss. I think the people who mentioned they picked up on what Jorah was doing, had to have been specifically watching for that scene. If it wasn't for this thread, I wouldn't have known Jorah was trying to find out whether Barristan knew he was a spy for Varys.

I thought he was being all nosy on small council affairs because he wants to be Dany's hand of the Queen or whatever, and wants to know how people perceive him back home, whether he would be capable in Kings Landing etc. Like he's been gone so long or whatever and that while Daenarys trusts him here in Essos, can he help her back in Westeros?

 

[Incognito]

Man fell in lurrrrv.

Geez. So does that explain the weird scene at Qarth with Jorah and the masked woman who was clothed from head to toe?

 

[jaxword]

Geez. So does that explain the weird scene at Qarth with Jorah and the masked woman who was clothed from head to toe?

That was where Jorah learned there are Westeros spies even in Qarth.

 

[SeanR1221]

I'm just speculating too, actually, on the Bolton men having Theon. We don't know that either, but if you saw anyone confirming it as fact, they were probably book readers playing their silly spoiler game. Hope they get banned.

For a while I thought it was actually the Ironborn who were torturing him in some sort of sick orders from his father. "What is dead may never die" and all that.

But then after he got away and then got recaptured just to find out about the Stark boys? That wouldn't make sense, his father could literally have just asked him. So that leaves the bastard of Bolton as the likely suspect as to who has him.

Who is the bastard of Bolton?

 

[The Anti-Monitor]

Who is the bastard of Bolton?

In Season 2, Bolton said he was sending his bastard to retake Winterfell.

 

[SeanR1221]

In Season 2, Bolton said he was sending his bastard to retake Winterfell.

Ah ok I definitely missed that.

Although I did remember the Jorah stuff!!

 

[Madness]

Who is the bastard of Bolton?

Remember when Robb found out Theon invaded Winterfell? Roose Bolton was like, one of the benefits of being King is you don't need to fight all the battles yourself.

My bastard is close by, he'll take some men there. That's all we've heard of him. Some book readers who know more have been coming in here since the start of the season, and dropping all sorts of spoilers regarding the character and then pointing out things that they knew to look for, trying to draw the wool over our eyes like we couldn't see it.

 

[PhoenixDark]

So Jorah has been going behind Dany's back all along?

And to think I kept calling him the only nice guy on the show

Remember he ultimately decided to save Dany's life after receiving the pardon; he was supposed to just let her die (the poisoned wine in S1) but chose to intervene. And in S2 when Quaith (weird masked lady) asked if he'd betray her again he said "never."

 

[SeanR1221]

Remember when Robb found out Theon invaded Winterfell? Roose Bolton was like, one of the benefits of being King is you don't need to fight all the battles yourself.

My bastard is close by, he'll take some men there. That's all we've heard of him. Some book readers who know more have been coming in here since the start of the season, and dropping all sorts of spoilers regarding the character and then pointing out things that they knew to look for, trying to draw the wool over our eyes like we couldn't see it.

Ah ok I do remember that line about not fighting all the battles yourself.

 

[jaxword]

Some book readers who know more have been coming in here since the start of the season, and dropping all sorts of spoilers regarding the character and then pointing out things that they knew to look for, trying to draw the wool over our eyes like we couldn't see it.

Report them to a mod. That's a dick move on their part to do that. You have proof, too, since we definitely have no on-screen sources as to 1) the identity of Bolton's bastard and B) who attacked Winterfell.



Personally, I assume that Bolton's bastard is the sadist guy who's been messing with Theon's head the whole time. From blowing the horn constantly to playing the sick psychological escape-fakeout game. One of the guards who tried to rape Theon said "You bastard" before being killed by the sadist; that's the clue I am going with.

 

[Forkball]

You guys are forgetful. Bolton was in season two, a picture of him is even in the OP from that season. He was one of Robb's most prominent advisers and the one who gave the news that Theon took Winterfell and said he would send his troops to take it back. HE WAS THE BALD GUY. Though he looks less bald this season somehow. Jorah also schemed to have Dany killed in season one in return of letting him back in Westeros with a pardon, but he changed his mind. The decision to kill Dany was a huge scene and caused Ned to quit being the hand.

Anyways my review.

Beric vs. Hound:

Phoenix Down on Beric:

Jon Snow and Ygritte:

Robb Stark scenes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGp9P6QvMjY

Gendry and Arya splitting:

Jamie scenes:

Olenna vs. Tyrion:

Stannis' family:

Dany scene:

Tywin:

Really good episode all around. Jamie's "redemption" still has me conflicted. He is a complex character, but it's hard to ignore everything he's done. I hope we get an Olenna vs. Tywin scene, she can shut up Tyrion but I want to see how she stands up against Captain Legacy.

 

[robotzombie]

Can someone tell me what joke or whatever jaime said that made brienne stand up in the bath? I rewound it like 6 times and couldn't understand him for the life of me

 

[jaxword]

Can someone tell me what joke or whatever jaime said that made brienne stand up in the bath? I rewound it like 6 times and couldn't understand him for the life of me

It was a bit slurred but he made a smartass comment along the lines of "Oh you mean how you did a great job of protecting Renly?"

 

[televator]

Robb is such a terrible politician. The apple truly does not fall far from the tree.

Seem obvious that he's not trying for politics though. He values principal over politics. Just like Daddy... 'cept the whole arranged marriage thing... guess he kinda goes more with his gut sometimes.

 

[Violet_0]

Personally, I assume that Bolton's bastard is the sadist guy who's been messing with Theon's head the whole time. From blowing the horn constantly to playing the sick psychological escape-fakeout game. One of the guards who tried to rape Theon said "You bastard" before being killed by the sadist; that's the clue I am going with.

wasn't he like mopping the floor in dungeon during the interrogation of Theon? I might remember this wrong

 

[Incognito]

Can someone tell me what joke or whatever jaime said that made brienne stand up in the bath? I rewound it like 6 times and couldn't understand him for the life of me

I didn't understand a damn word during the whole scene. Could someone kindly give me an abridged version of what Jaime told Brienne? I gather it was something to do with why he killed the king he vowed to protect, but my hearing is atrocious and he was basically mumbling.

 

[jaxword]

wasn't he like mopping the floor in dungeon during the interrogation of Theon? I might remember this wrong

Yes. And he also had a sadistic glee when he got Theon back to the rack.

Guy's playing a sick psychological game.

 

[The Anti-Monitor]

I didn't understand a damn word during the whole scene. Could someone kindly give me an abridged version of what Jaime told Brienne? I gather it was something to do with why he killed the king he vowed to protect, but my hearing is atrocious and he was basically mumbling.

The Mad King was so paranoid, he had wildfire everywhere under the city. So when Robert was marching to King's Landing, his father got there first. Against his and Varys' judgement he opened the gates and the Lannister forces started sacking the city, so the Mad King told Jaime to kill his father while he went to burn the entire city. Jaime killed the pyromancer who was going to do that, then stabbed Aerys in the back when he was running to do it himself.

 

[Forkball]

I didn't understand a damn word during the whole scene. Could someone kindly give me an abridged version of what Jaime told Brienne? I gather it was something to do with why he killed the king he vowed to protect, but my hearing is atrocious and he was basically mumbling.

He basically told the story about how he killed the king from his perspective, discussing how insane the king was (he planned to burn down the entire city) and he even told Jamie to kill his father. Jamie got fed up and killed him and exclaimed that how can anyone in his position do otherwise.

 

[Raist]

Wait, what.

All this Jorah talk above.

Is that not a spoiler? I've seen every episode so far. Was it definitely said by Varys that Jorah fed him the information?

My mind has just been blown that I've missed this crucial information.

Does anyone have a YouTube clip of the council scene with Varys that was mentioned?

Varys mentioned it to Ned Stark. It was also rather clear whenb that small boy in the market said that Varys sends Jorah his congratulations. Jorah was passing infos and he knew about the plan to assassinate Dany.

 

[Violet_0]

I didn't understand a damn word during the whole scene. Could someone kindly give me an abridged version of what Jaime told Brienne? I gather it was something to do with why he killed the king he vowed to protect, but my hearing is atrocious and he was basically mumbling.

Mad King was about to burn down the whole city and everyone in it with wildfire, Jaime stepped in and killed the Mad King, thus breaking his oath but saving thousands of lives. He also slit the Mad King's throat, just to make sure he doesn't turn into a dragon, as the legend goes

Yes. And he also had a sadistic glee when he got Theon back to the rack.

Guy's playing a sick psychological game.

heh, I really don't know what to make of this

 

[jaxword]

The Mad King was so paranoid, he had wildfire everywhere under the city. So when Robert was marching to King's Landing, his father got there first. Against his and Varys' judgement he opened the gates and the Lannister forces started sacking the city, so the Mad King told Jaime to kill his father while he went to burn the entire city. Jaime killed the pyromancer who was going to do that, then stabbed Aerys in the back when he was running to do it himself.

Also, Jaime lamented how he gets spat upon and insulted with "Kingslayer" when he knows that nobody else would've been able to kill their own father, especially on the orders of a madman.

And that he didn't bother ever denying this because Ned Stark, who is well known for being honorable, saw him doing the kingslaying and there'd be no point in defending himself.

 

[televator]

Really good episode all around. Jamie's "redemption" still has me conflicted. He is a complex character, but it's hard to ignore everything he's done. I hope we get an Olenna vs. Tywin scene, she can shut up Tyrion but I want to see how she stands up against Captain Legacy.

To me, it seems he's the sort that never really put a lot of thought into why he does what he does. His feelings towards Ned Stark for instance. Clearly he's affected by Ned in a way that's very emotional and irrational.

 

[PhoenixDark]

I didn't understand a damn word during the whole scene. Could someone kindly give me an abridged version of what Jaime told Brienne? I gather it was something to do with why he killed the king he vowed to protect, but my hearing is atrocious and he was basically mumbling.

He told how King's Landing fell. Robert was injured during the battle of the Trident (where he killed Rhaegar) so Ned Stark led his army to King's Landing. The Lannisters arrived first though; Varys begged the king not to let them in but Prycelle opened the gates, at which point the Lannisters sacked the city.

The Mad King had set wildfire throughout the castle and city, planning to burn everything. Jaime begged him to stop but the Mad King ordered him to kill his father and bring his head to the castle. Jaime killed the pryromancer responsible for placing the wildfire, then he attacked the king; he stabbed him in the back, then slit his throat because the Mad King seemed convinced he would turn into a dragon, and Jaime wanted to make sure he was dead.

He then sat on the iron throne and waited for someone to claim it. Ned Stark walked in and Jaime realized there was nothing he could say to convince Stark that he did the right thing. He was judged from that point on as a king slayer and traitor, when in reality he saved King's Landing.

 

[Incognito]

He basically told the story about how he killed the king from his perspective, discussing how insane the king was (he planned to burn down the entire city) and he even told Jamie to kill his father. Jamie got fed up and killed him and exclaimed that how can anyone in his position do otherwise.

Mad King was about to burn down the whole city and everyone in it with wildfire, Jaime stepped in and killed the Mad King, thus breaking his oath but saving thousands of lives. He also slit the Mad King's throat, just to make sure he doesn't turn into a dragon, as the legend goes



heh, I really don't know what to make of this

Also, Jaime lamented how he gets spat upon and insulted with "Kingslayer" when he knows that nobody else would've been able to kill their own father, especially on the orders of a madman.

And that he didn't bother ever denying this because Ned Stark, who is well known for being honorable, saw him doing the kingslaying and there'd be no point in defending himself.

He told how King's Landing fell. Robert was injured during the battle of the Trident (where he killed Rhaegar) so Ned Stark led his army to King's Landing. The Lannisters arrived first though; Varys begged the king not to let them in but Prycelle opened the gates, at which point the Lannisters sacked the city.

The Mad King had set wildfire throughout the castle and city, planning to burn everything. Jaime begged him to stop but the Mad King ordered him to kill his father and bring his head to the castle. Jaime killed the pryromancer responsible for placing the wildfire, then he attacked the king; he stabbed him in the back, then slit his throat because the Mad King seemed convinced he would turn into a dragon, and Jaime wanted to make sure he was dead.

He then sat on the iron throne and waited for someone to claim it. Ned Stark walked in and Jaime realized there was nothing he could say to convince Stark that he did the right thing. He was judged from that point on as a king slayer and traitor, when in reality he saved King's Landing.

Thanks!

 

[Ithil]

Alright, I need to know what the fuck's up with that Lord of Light shit that's been happening since last season. Is this going somewhere ? I mean, is the "Lord of Light" some character who's pulling some strings from behind the scenes only to be revealed as the ultimate enemy of Westeros sometime later on, JRPG-style ? Or is this simply some Battlestar Galactica, polytheism-demonizing bullshit ?

It's just one of many religions on the show. The North worships the Old Gods, the South worships the Seven, and the Lord of Light is a foreign religion the Red Priests brought (like Melisandre and Thoros).

 

[RDreamer]

Wow, people missed the subplot from Season 1 that Jorah was the informant?

 

[exYle]

It's just one of many religions on the show. The North worships the Old Gods, the South worships the Seven, and the Lord of Light is a foreign religion the Red Priests brought (like Melisandre and Thoros).

And the Ironmen worship the Drowned God!

 

[Vashetti]

Wow, people missed the subplot from Season 1 that Jorah was the informant?

Guilty as charged I'm afraid!

GoT is a dense show though.

I only watched the latest episode this morning and I couldn't tell you now everything that happened.

You really have to give it 110% attention.

 

[a Master Ninja]

The Lord of Light seems like an evil god that is all about fire. Fire is the only thing that stops the White Walkers. Are there competing evil deities in this universe or is this all different shades of the same black magic?

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

Dat ending. Not so smug now Cersei.

I really would have felt more compassion during Jaime's speech if it weren't for the whole Bran out the window thing. Kind of kills it.

 

[xenist]

Jorah is gonna turn into a problem for Dany, isn't he?

I loved Cersei having the situation backfire straight into her face.

That Lord Of Light seems like a powerful dude.

 

[Diprosalic]

i'm convinced tywin has gone too far. cersei will team up with tyrion and betray him sooner or later i wonder how.