Or you're dead inside.This. If the story isn't affecting you emotionally, than the writer is doing something wrong.
Or you're dead inside.This. If the story isn't affecting you emotionally, than the writer is doing something wrong.
Shhhh, we're just being over dramatic and need to get out once in a while...
This is true. A lesson that it takes many people a lifetime to learn and I occasionally forget. I just personally will never understand.
What's the point of watching then if you don't get emotionally involved?
For every thought of frustration in seeing Robb's massive story arc come to such a tragic conclusion, there's a counter thought knowing that every other major plot thread has just as much potential for shit to get real. And that's what makes it worth watching.
-Unwillingness to torture prisoners
-Belief that a loveless marriage was no marriage at all
-Had to kill Rickard Karstark to send a message to his own men.
It was no more certain then than it is now.
Synopsis said:Joffrey challenges Tywin. Bran tells a ghost story. In Dragonstone, mercy comes from strange quarters. Dany waits to see if she is a conqueror or a liberator.
New episode tonight (season finale): Mysha
Programming note: Tonight's episode will run longer than 60 minutes, so plan accordingly.
Above 60 minutes? Has any other episode in the series gone that high yet?
Quick question about the no-preview talk rule: does HBO not show it immediately after the episode everywhere? Do people intentionally tune out?
Certainty is relative since none of us are really certain about what happens. What I meant was the Robb was the biggest and likeliest character to avenge Ned's death, being the eldest son, the new king of the north, leading his own army, and all the other reasons GRRM killed him. :lol
Robb was the best chance of avenging Ned. His death shifts that responsibility to characters less likely to get it done (Arya, for all her posturing, is still just a little girl; Jon and Bran are busy with their own things; Sansa is forever useless), but also calls into question the idea that there will be any revenge at all. I think Joffrey being killed horribly at some point is a safe bet, but if it's done by Stannis or the Tyrells or Daenerys, then it's not nearly as satisfying as having one of the Starks pull the trigger. It'd be like Robert's Rebellion all over again: Robert and Ned are the ones leading the charge against the Mad King to avenge the dead Starks, but it's Jamie who gets the kill.
Quick question about the no-preview talk rule: does HBO not show it immediately after the episode everywhere? Do people intentionally tune out?
Quick question about the no-preview talk rule: does HBO not show it immediately after the episode everywhere? Do people intentionally tune out?
Some countries don't show it. Also, some people prefer not to watch previews or read anything about the next episode which is why Steelyuhas spoiler tags what's in the next episode. It's just out of respect for those people. You can discuss that stuff under spoiler tags according to the rules in the OP.Quick question about the no-preview talk rule: does HBO not show it immediately after the episode everywhere? Do people intentionally tune out?
I've been watching the show exclusively on HBO Go this season, and they don't show it after the episode there.
A lot of people don't like to see it. The people I work with who watch the show absolutely never watch the previews. They're stronger willed than I.
Some countries don't show it. Also, some people prefer not to watch previews or read anything about the next episode which is why Steelyuhas spoiler tags what's in the next episode. It's just out of respect for those people. You can discuss that stuff under spoiler tags according to the rules in the OP.
You can discuss the preview and/or the synopsis under spoiler tags.
Certainty is relative since none of us are really certain about what happens. What I meant was the Robb was the biggest and likeliest character to avenge Ned's death, being the eldest son, the new king of the north, leading his own army, and all the other reasons GRRM killed him. :lol
Robb was the best chance of avenging Ned. His death shifts that responsibility to characters less likely to get it done (Arya, for all her posturing, is still just a little girl; Jon and Bran are busy with their own things; Sansa is forever useless), but also calls into question the idea that there will be any revenge at all. I think Joffrey being killed horribly at some point is a safe bet, but if it's done by Stannis or the Tyrells or Daenerys, then it's not nearly as satisfying as having one of the Starks pull the trigger. It'd be like Robert's Rebellion all over again: Robert and Ned are the ones leading the charge against the Mad King to avenge the dead Starks, but it's Jamie who gets the kill.
They both died because other people were better played. You lose, good day to you sirs.
Eh... at least with Ned, he certainly lost the "game" because of his honor and ideals but Ned dying was an impulsive act by Joffrey that NO ONE else wanted. Just watch that scene in "Baelor" again with how everyone is flipping their shit once Joff orders Ned's execution. Tywin, Cersei, Varys and company didn't want Ned dead- the plan was for Ned to bend the knee and get shipped off to the Wall. So he lost the game, but in his case, losing the game shouldn't have meant his death, just his exile. Joffrey screwed everything up.
Robb was put in a shit position no matter what, that's what makes his story so tragic when you look at it.
He had to raise his bannermen and go rescue his father, but there's no way he would win it.
Robb should have teamed up the Stannis in the first place, but his mother sided with the Renly instead.
I wouldn't underestimate Arya. She was already driven to avenge Ned, this will take her to another tier. Melisandre spoke of seeing darkness within her, and eyes staring back that she would shut forever. What's left for her than to track down Jaqen H'Ghar and learn to kill professionally?
Eh... at least with Ned, he certainly lost the "game" because of his honor and ideals but Ned dying was an impulsive act by Joffrey that NO ONE else wanted. Just watch that scene in "Baelor" again with how everyone is flipping their shit once Joff orders Ned's execution. Tywin, Cersei, Varys and company didn't want Ned dead- the plan was for Ned to bend the knee and get shipped off to the Wall. So he lost the game, but in his case, losing the game shouldn't have meant his death, just his exile. Joffrey screwed everything up.
New episode tonight (season finale): Mhysa
Programming note: Tonight's episode will run longer than 60 minutes, so plan accordingly.
Didn't Stannis have no interest in teaming up with anyone?
Fuck me and my curiosity! I was reading up on more back story on some characters and I inadvertently spoiled something major for myself. Shit, fuck, ass lakjfkasjflasjglsajglaj!!!!
Yeah I had to stop reading wikis because they spoiled who was still alive in book 6.Fuck me and my curiosity! I was reading up on more back story on some characters and I inadvertently spoiled something major for myself. Shit, fuck, ass lakjfkasjflasjglsajglaj!!!!
HBO Wiki, or Tower of the Hand only (and make sure to set Tower of the Hand to either season 2 or book 2 so it doesn't go past that). This is where you go for info.
Didn't Stannis have no interest in teaming up with anyone?
Man this is heart breaking: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mq9LeaJQQ5g (forward to 7:40)
If you want backstory, comicbookgirl19's videos on youtube are a good place to go. They're intended to be spoiler free, however they do talk about prior events that haven't been mentioned in the show. An answer to for example.. a question such as why Dany calls herself the blood of old Valyria in Season 2, I wouldn't consider a spoiler, but others might think differently.
I've shown them to all my friends and family members watching the show that haven't read the books and they've really enjoyed them and it made them understand the story better.
Exactly. They only had the Renly option.
Another option is to PM the people listed in the OP if you want to know something. I'm not listed in this year's OP but I can also help without spoiling anything.Thank you. Will bookmark these.
Man this is heart breaking: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mq9LeaJQQ5g (forward to 7:40)
Only reason Starks went to Renley is cause Renley had 100k+
Going to Stannis at the time would have been like asking a man with no legs to run in a race.
Well, it's a bit deeper than that. Renly is also reasonable. Stannis considers Robb to be an enemy and would accept nothing more than surrender. Renly and Robb via Catelyn were at least able to negotiate. Were it not for Shadow Queef baby, we'd be watching a MUCH different story right now had Renly advanced on King's Landing.
Problem is both Renly and Stannis wanted Robb to bend the knee while Robb's men wanted independence for the North. He didn't have much of a choice.
This is true. But in Robb and Renly's case, it was more of a partnership. Robb would have been bros with Renly much like Ned and Robert, and the North would have had it's independence in all but name only. Stannis wanted complete submission. I think that's why Catelyn agreed to the terms. Something was better than NOTHING at all.
Both Ned's death and Robb's follow a series of lessons on the cost of honor.
-Ned's admission that he was responsible for taking Tyrion into custody.
-Call for Tywin to answer the charges against Gregor Clegaine
-Refusal to take Renly's help and arrest the Lannisters
-Belief that the paper Robert signed on his death bed would give Ned the throne.
-Belief that a false confession would save his own life and reunite him with his family.
among dozens of others.
Then you have Robb
-Unwillingness to torture prisoners
-Belief that a loveless marriage was no marriage at all
-Had to kill Rickard Karstark to send a message to his own men.
The show presents no king who won his power honorably, yet the Starks still live by principle, and die as a result.
That's more devastating to watch than the actual episode.
Am I the only one who feels weird seeing all these people have such strong reactions to atv showany piece of fictional media? I have never felt anywhere close to that level of emotional investment.