KingHenrik30
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We just really need TWOW at this point. I think it will clear up a lot and we'd have a better idea about what's is important and what's not in regards to certain characters and storylines that take place in AFFC/ADWD.
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Game of Thrones *Tagged Book Spoilers, Please Read OP* |OT| Season 3 - Sundays on HBO
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Trojita
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How do you call that development worthy to waste screentime on?
What needed to be established was Ygritte's ability to get under Jon's skin, develop an obvious attraction and sexual tension between the two, and give them enough time together to make it plausible that Jon could possibly forsake his vows for her. They accomplished all of this, so I say it was time well spent.
If Qhorin is dying in the next scene, but Ygritte is an on-screen character for the foreseeable future, then why not spend the time on hers and Jon's developing relationship? Qhorin had already been developed as a master Ranger.. and someone that trusts in Jon (hence him agreeing to take him). If you payed attention to Qhorin's scenes, you really didn't need any more for his death to mean something.
1) I just got off of one month ban for posting an off-topic NON spoiler in THIS thread, so I'm a little paranoid now. Beric said those words in the TV show, I checked.
2 "Kelly C". lol. I'm not questioning anyone's ability to comprehend, just commenting on D&D's tendency to tone down the supernatural/magic stuff.
fallengorn
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I agree. Although they really botched how they hatched their scheme for Jon to go undercover.
"Let's talk about it while there's Wildings around us!"
On the TV show, Thoros tells Arya that bringing back Headless Ned.. He doesn't think it works that way. Beric says he wouldn't wish his life on Ned. Arya then says she would.. because at least he's alive.
ASOS
I would put money on this not happening in the show because of Jaime's current redemption angle.
Agreed. I'm guessing ASOS
They're going to have some interactions between Jaime and Joff in order to show how indifferent Jaime is and make the impact of him not caring that his son is dead much more since Jaime will have been able to see him in "monster mode".
cubicle47b
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Keep in mind he's also very fond of Sansa chapters. Some people just like different things.
Was it this post sans spoiler tag?
If so, that's a huge *hint hint* that Robb dies in a few weeks. I'm not sure how you could possibly try and argue that that isn't a spoiler. Unless you weren't talking about that post or it did have the spoiler tags.
Which Sansa chapters?
cubicle47b
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I'm sure he likes them all but aside from the tournament in GoT where we get that great moment with the Hound, the Battle of the Blackwater, and
Littlefinger revelations
Problem with her story is that there isn't a good cast of characters for her to play off, as it is in the book. She's surrounded by cookie cutter Essos characters, friendzone Jorah, Faabio and Barristan. Missandei's nice to look at but she's not going to have character depth.
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Hopefully when Tyrion/Victarion and other characters from Westeros meet her things will get better. That's a couple seasons from happening though.
To be fair, with the exception of Astapor, it is pretty boring in the books too.
As far as I remember, it was tagged but not labeled. That whole thread was ban-bait anyway, probably should have left it alone.
That's true but Daenerys only has 5 chapters in ACoK and 4 in ASoS (To the Mhysa scene), on the show she's portrayed as a lead character and a disproportionate amount of time is spent on shit I dont care about or have little vesting interest in.
Also The House of the Undying and the initial interactions with the sellswords were better in the source material
I have to agree there. They are mostly miss with a few hits. I did enjoy more of the later ones, though.
Sansa is far closer to the intrigues of King's Landing and the general succession battles in Westeros, which automatically gives her the advantage over Arya (or Bran for that matter).
ASOS/AFFC
I'd go so far as to say she hasn't had a boring chapter post-PW.
cubicle47b
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She was close to the intrigues but was not involved and sees virtually nothing until after (well, just before) that event. She's becoming an interesting character now, I agree.
That's the point. The two advisors have different views of how things should work, and Stannis is a complex character that is defined by that conflict. Doing what is right with honor and justice vs doing what is right with Melisandre's god and magic. The show stripped him of all that by having Melisandre decide to go with Davos rather than Stannis making the decision himself.
Melisandre wants Stannis to sacrifice his kin to conquer the kingdom. Davos wants Stannis to protect his kingdom. The fact that Stannis chose to do the later is a major turning point for his character and the show completely stripped him of that.
HBO Stannis even mocks Davos ffs, that was ridiculous. They completely murdered his character.
SomeOrangeGuy
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I found the scene between Varys and Shae unsettling. First, it seemed like a heavy-handed way of letting us know that she isn't just there to take his money, but secondly [ASOS]
. Also was hoping [ASOS]
I guess that could still happen.
I was really sure that the last shot of the episode would be [ASOS]
. I was right about them parading around Robb's body with Grey Wind's head in the first scene, though. Ugh.
Also chilling: the scene between Roose Bolton and Lord Frey while they clean up all the blood. Those dudes are COLD BLOODED. That Late Lord Frey story was long-overdue as well.
I think Varys is trying to spare her what may be coming with Joffrey's wedding. He's too smart not to know about it ahead of time, right?
Jaime and Cersei would get their freak on, but I guess he came home a little early compared to the book. Much hotter to do it over the rotting corpse of their son.
I was really sure that the last shot of the episode would be [ASOS]
The creation of Lady Stoneheart
Also chilling: the scene between Roose Bolton and Lord Frey while they clean up all the blood. Those dudes are COLD BLOODED. That Late Lord Frey story was long-overdue as well.
Morrigan Stark
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How so? It's definitely unclear how they're going to salvage this. [ASoS]
You even said they were gonna drum up the jealousy angle and that it'll "all make sense", but they're showing her as clearly still fond of Tyrion and fiercely protective of Sansa and though she was jealous initially, she clearly softening on that ever since she saw the unsoiled sheets. She'll have to make some sort of lame 180 for the whole arc to come to fruition.
Uh, season 2 is the one that diverged the most from the source material, and those divergences are what sucked the most about it.
Must... not... nerdrage....
[ASoS spoilers in tags]
You talk about the "emotional impact" with Ygritte. It's funny because I didn't give two shits about his relationship with Ygritte. I liked Ygritte herself, but
I wasn't even sad when she died.
some woman you fucked once or twice dying from a stray arrow in a battle.
Pretty much. It was a disaster, possibly the worst part of S2 (except maybe Talisa).
Duane Cunningham
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The bolded is a change that you really oughtta make in you post considering [AFFC/S4]
"UnCat isn't in S3 and anybody who reads that will be able to surmise what happens next in the story from that term
Morrigan Stark
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My thoughts on the finale (all book spoilers in the tags):
The bad/not so good:
- The Mhysa crowd-surfing was pretty cheesy
- Jon Snow sounded so whiny there. Wah wah I have to go home :'( shut up, take an arrow up the arse, why don't you? Hell here's two more, bitch. xD
- No
? Next season I guess but I wish
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- Cersei's story about baby Joffrey was kinda boring.
- Sansa and Tyrion being all mischievous seemed very, very out of character to me. Their scene prior to Tyrion learning of the red wedding in the book was a miserable, dreary supper.
- I don't like Jaime being reunited with Cersei so soon, before
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The not-sure:
- Asha's gonna circumnavigate Westeros to get to the Dreadfort? Wot?
- Not sure where they're going with Shae either.
- I wish we'd have seen Tywin's speech [tagging just in case]
I enjoyed the episode otherwise. The good:
- Grey Wind's head on Robb's corpse. Oh yeah they went there. Nice.
- Rat cook story, YES! Cut to Lord Frey... awesome. Perfect. I was so happy to see that. Can't wait for the
- Reek, reek, it rhymes with weak.
- Tywin getting bitched at by Joffrey. Ohnoyoudidnt
- Tyrion being verbally raped by Tywin again. Ouch.
- Maester Aemon! So glad to see him again. <3 Oh and Sam wasn't that derp, he still had obsidian daggers on him. Will people stop bitching about that now, you think?
- Arya finally murdering the shit out of someone. With the coin dropping trick. One season too late, but better late than never. Valar morghulis!
- Davos the boss. Davos has to be one of the few characters I like more on TV than in the books.
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The bad/not so good:
- The Mhysa crowd-surfing was pretty cheesy
- Jon Snow sounded so whiny there. Wah wah I have to go home :'( shut up, take an arrow up the arse, why don't you? Hell here's two more, bitch. xD
- No
Coldhands
he'd have met Sam
- Cersei's story about baby Joffrey was kinda boring.
- Sansa and Tyrion being all mischievous seemed very, very out of character to me. Their scene prior to Tyrion learning of the red wedding in the book was a miserable, dreary supper.
- I don't like Jaime being reunited with Cersei so soon, before
Joffrey's wedding and you-know-what. I wanted that awkward reunion period sex next to Joff's corpse, dammit! xD
The not-sure:
- Asha's gonna circumnavigate Westeros to get to the Dreadfort? Wot?
Where is this going? I'm guessing she won't make it there and will learn of Balon's death and return to Pyke for the Kingsmoot... :S
- I wish we'd have seen Tywin's speech [tagging just in case]
about how you crush your enemies when they defy you, but let them kneel when they surrender. Nice contrast with Joff's stupid "kill 'em all!" douchebaggery.
I enjoyed the episode otherwise. The good:
- Grey Wind's head on Robb's corpse. Oh yeah they went there. Nice.
- Rat cook story, YES! Cut to Lord Frey... awesome. Perfect. I was so happy to see that. Can't wait for the
Frey pies. Oh yesssss.
- Tywin getting bitched at by Joffrey. Ohnoyoudidnt
- Tyrion being verbally raped by Tywin again. Ouch.
Setting up that privy crossbow scene for next season nicely.
- Arya finally murdering the shit out of someone. With the coin dropping trick. One season too late, but better late than never. Valar morghulis!
- Davos the boss. Davos has to be one of the few characters I like more on TV than in the books.
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No Lady Stoneheart. Good. Let it fester for a year. Bringing Catelyn back too soon would diminish the impact of the Red Wedding. I don't get why everyone's disappointed about that, I am very happy they didn't go there yet.
Rentahamster
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Cat told that story in Season 1 right before she met him.
It also completely changes his relationship with Davos. It's no longer Davos is spared because he's Stannis' most trusted advisor and closest friend who has reminded him of his principals and what he needs to do to fulfill them. Now he wants Davos dead but won't because Melisandre says they need him to build a pirate army or some shit.
Cornballer
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Count of Monte Sawed-Off
un33dab@dpu$$y
The more I think about that scene, the more I hate it.
fallengorn
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Excellent point.
tauroxd
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Exactly, it would be pointless to have that so soon.
Cornballer
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Steelyuhas
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Wrote a big write up about last night's episode this morning and then GAF broke and I lost the huge post, so fuck it.
Also, season 3 averaged 4.97 million viewers on initial viewing, tying seasons 3 and 4 of True Blood. Of course GoT gets significantly more in total weekly viewings.
Also, season 3 averaged 4.97 million viewers on initial viewing, tying seasons 3 and 4 of True Blood. Of course GoT gets significantly more in total weekly viewings.
Sir Hamish
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That plot isn't really a problem, all they need to do is
condense or modify it so its a bit more interesting an exciting. Victarion and Euron are both interesting characters, and some viewers might find the iron born politics angle enjoyable
Combining two characters and purging an entire plot line is such an extreme reaction and doing so would be a disservice to the source material. If it doesn't work on TV theyll change it till it does
It could work well on TV. Introduce and set up Victarion at the start of a season. Give him some scenes with Balon and Yara. Kill off Balon and introduce Euron in the same episode. Have Euron win the kings moot with the promise of dragons, tying their plotline into the greater narrative. By the end of the season send Victarion away to meet Dany and have Yara fleeing to the North for Stannis to find the following season.
Combining two characters and purging an entire plot line is such an extreme reaction and doing so would be a disservice to the source material. If it doesn't work on TV theyll change it till it does
It could work well on TV. Introduce and set up Victarion at the start of a season. Give him some scenes with Balon and Yara. Kill off Balon and introduce Euron in the same episode. Have Euron win the kings moot with the promise of dragons, tying their plotline into the greater narrative. By the end of the season send Victarion away to meet Dany and have Yara fleeing to the North for Stannis to find the following season.
ASOS
True, I did think they would play up the jealousy angle more. But I still don't see the problem with how things are progressing. At the end of the day, Shae will betray Tyrion, and I don't think it matters whether she does it partially out of feelings of jealousy, or out of simple self-preservation. Either scenario could possibly come up, and nothing would be loss. You're worrying over nothing.
Ok.
Eh, agree to disagree. For you the death of the Halfhand was some gut-wrenching, pivotal moment in the series, akin to the death of Ned Stark himself. For me it was Tuesday.
Seriously though, you label Qhorin as a friend and brother to Jon, as if they had some deep, powerful relationship, but Ygritte is just a fuck buddy? Give me a break.
The Artful Dodger
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I can't stop laughing at this.
DrForester
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Asked yesterday, but it got downed out.
Did Bran never tell Sam to stay quiet about them to Jon?
Did Bran never tell Sam to stay quiet about them to Jon?
KuwabaraTheMan
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I was surprised that (ASOS)
Yeah, I was surprised by that. He didn't say anything about it.
Balon didn't die this episode. I guess they're going to save that for the premier next season, and then Asha will hear about it and have to call off her plan to save Theon.
Yeah, I was surprised by that. He didn't say anything about it.
DrForester
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Correct me on the books.
ASOS
Did Bran or Coldhands tell Sam or keep quiet?
Just dawned on me. No Coldhands
Just dawned on me. No Coldhands
KuwabaraTheMan
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Correct me on the books.
ASOS
Did Bran or Coldhands tell Sam or keep quiet?
Just dawned on me. No Coldhands
ASOS
I believe it was Jojen, but I'm not 100% sure.
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