She has a very particular smile that I can imagine some men finding off putting in the way that some people are turned off by any type of unique feature.
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She has a very particular smile that I can imagine some men finding off putting in the way that some people are turned off by any type of unique feature.
Blue Ninja
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I suppose, but damn. Damn.
I would gladly kill you to have the chance to sleep with Natalie Dormer. Gladly.
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
un33dab@dpu$$y
Yeah, this always bothered me about her too. So self righteous.
Also, Natalie Dormer is hot, especially when she's not doing that weird face.
PhoenixDark
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ASOS/ADWD
Edmure basically won the War of the Five Kings for the Lannisters; if he had followed directions Stannis would have almost certainly won the Battle of the Blackwater. That blunder saved the Lannisters, allowing them to continue dealing with the Starks; Catelyn released Jaime after Edmure's folly though.
The reason I'd argue she lost the war for the North is because releasing Jaime forfeited Robb's life. People focus so much on Robb's idiotic marriage but the most important factor in the betrayal was the Boltons. Lord Bolton was convinced Robb couldn't win not because of the Frey shit, but because of the Winterfell sack and the release of Jaime. It was Bolton who sent the northern army to Duskendale, falsely advertised as Robb's decree, in order to show his loyalty to Tywin. It's hard to argue Bolton would make the same decision if Jaime was still in chains and Robb was on the march to re-capture Winterfell. Likewise it's unlikely Tywin would agree to any attempt on Robb's life while Jaime was in custody; he'd be forfeiting his heir's life.
The original plan was for an errant arrow to kill Robb, but the Freys escalated the plan out of stupidity - without Bolton on their side, I don't believe the Freys would have been ballsy enough to pull the trigger; there's no evidence of them making major decisions unless they were safe, and without the Boltons any attempt on Robb would be foolish.
As I said earlier I don't think the North could have outright defeated the Lannisters/Tyrells, but if Robb had made it back north he would largely be untouchable. Winter was coming, Tywin was dead, and the south was being flanked by the Iron Born and later Aegon. It's very unlikely that Cersei, once again made Queen Reagent, would even consider sending Lannister troops out of the city to march north while Mace Tyrell's army occupied King's Landing. Robb at Winterfell wouldn't be an immediate threat to the crown.
The reason I'd argue she lost the war for the North is because releasing Jaime forfeited Robb's life. People focus so much on Robb's idiotic marriage but the most important factor in the betrayal was the Boltons. Lord Bolton was convinced Robb couldn't win not because of the Frey shit, but because of the Winterfell sack and the release of Jaime. It was Bolton who sent the northern army to Duskendale, falsely advertised as Robb's decree, in order to show his loyalty to Tywin. It's hard to argue Bolton would make the same decision if Jaime was still in chains and Robb was on the march to re-capture Winterfell. Likewise it's unlikely Tywin would agree to any attempt on Robb's life while Jaime was in custody; he'd be forfeiting his heir's life.
The original plan was for an errant arrow to kill Robb, but the Freys escalated the plan out of stupidity - without Bolton on their side, I don't believe the Freys would have been ballsy enough to pull the trigger; there's no evidence of them making major decisions unless they were safe, and without the Boltons any attempt on Robb would be foolish.
As I said earlier I don't think the North could have outright defeated the Lannisters/Tyrells, but if Robb had made it back north he would largely be untouchable. Winter was coming, Tywin was dead, and the south was being flanked by the Iron Born and later Aegon. It's very unlikely that Cersei, once again made Queen Reagent, would even consider sending Lannister troops out of the city to march north while Mace Tyrell's army occupied King's Landing. Robb at Winterfell wouldn't be an immediate threat to the crown.
vas_a_morir
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What? She's easily number 2 for me.
ebullientprism
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Fantastic ending to the 4th episode.
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The ending reminded me how great her storyline was at one point. Even on TV, you look at that and go "FUCK YEAH! She is on her way over to Westeros to fuck shit up and sort shit out. People are gonna get got." But then, it just goes nowhere. For like 3 goddamn books, it goes nowhere.
That was the last good bit Dany had in the entire series IMO. Now prepare for 3 season of just absolutely fucking nothing.
That was the last good bit Dany had in the entire series IMO. Now prepare for 3 season of just absolutely fucking nothing.
To be fair, almost all the characters are more sympathetic compared to their book counterparts. This has somewhat ruined the Jaime stuff.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Man, you could point to almost any individual event and successfully argue it was the catalyst for all of the events in the book/show.
blainethemono
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(AGOT/ACOK)
Aemon Targaryen refusing the throne and giving it to Egg instead
Or (Dunk & Egg 1)
everything involving Dunk/the puppet girl/Baelor Breakspear/Aerion
Its amazing how intricate the chain of events is. It goes even further back probably.
I find her irresistible, dat cleavage every ep! She has a very unique face, I guess it's a love or hate situation. Still, unique->generic.
RatskyWatsky
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What about (ADWD)
when she tames Drogon amidst all the chaos of the slave arena and hops onto his back and flies way up into the sky? That moment was fucking awesome.
Spirit of Jazz
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I don't know, I think between being an ass to John and any other bastard, arresting Tyrion and starting a war, trusting Littlefinger with the life of her Stark husband despite that fact that last time she saw him is when he was willing to throw his life away to a Stark because he was so obsessed over her, and releasing Jamie she's pretty much made the most dumb decisions resulting in the most dire consequences for her family out of any character in the books.
Forsaken82
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Let me start by saying I am not defending Catelyn's actions at all (although again, I am more of the mind that she is not stupid, but rather grief stricken and it is affecting her judgement)
With that said I can't say I agree with the bolded... She treats Tyrion like shit because she thinks he is responsible for hiring a mercenary to kill Bran in his sleep... This so called mercenary almost killed her in the process.
It isn't like she immediately realizes that Tyrion is telling the truth when he says he had nothing to do with it.
In this regard, the entire series exists because of (asos)
Littlefinger persuading Lysa to poison jon. If Jon Arryn was never murdered, the caravan would never have come to winterfell (at least at that moment) and Bran would never have been shoved out of a window, and Catelyn would never have pressured Ned into going to Kings Landing in the first place to find out the truth.
Escape Goat
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Oh lord, Cersei's descent into madness is wonderful. Her handfucking her servant and trying to be like Robert was hilariously awesome. Shes built herself a house of cards and I cant wait for it all to come crashing down.
GRRM recently finished a short story taking place during the original Dance of Dragons so we'll see the curtain pulled back some more. I think the anthology containing it will be published later this year.
Latvian Hitman
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Yeah, she's hot and all when you're just looking at a picture, but she's better in motion. The way she carries herself and emotes and everything- she's just very disarming and oozes sensuality when she wants to.
bodyofanamerican
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Count of Monte Sawed-Off
un33dab@dpu$$y
Ha, wow. He has really blown up.
In case of book spoilers:
Your own judgment and hate of Catelyn is in itself rather ironic. She reacted negatively when she found out Mya Stone was a bastard, true ( but she didn't treat her any less after the fact, and actually had some respect for her ), but only because she reminded her of Jon whom I might add is being treated way better than is the societal norm. She comes from a family whose very word is "Family, Duty, Honor.", something I think she did not fail in any way.
Now looking from the perspective of her society and her own situation, I dare say Catelyn is quite a tolerant person. True, she grudged Jon his presence, but only because she felt he represented Ned's betrayal of duty and honor. And Ned treated Catelyn very coldly where Jon was concerned, not allowing any questions or anything, which must have placed seeds of self-doubt in Catelyn. At the end of the day, Jon still got raised very closely with his siblings.
Cersei had wanted Robert's bastard put to death, and I think, she once mentioned she found it weird Catelyn put up with Neds bastard. That was more in the line of the societal norm.
And she doesn't treats Tyrion like shit just because his last name starts with L. She treats him as her hostage because she has been told this man is responsible for the assassination attempt behind her son. And Tyrion does carry a reputation of being cunning, so obviously she wouldn't trust him right off the bat when he proclaims his innocence. However, she does start to reconsider the situation as she listens to Tyrion's reasoning, however, it was already to late, once they entered the Vale, and Tyrion fell into Lysa's hands.
And at the end of the day, she did set Jaime 'The Kingslayer' Lannister loose, who is notoriously without honor, praying he would honor their agreement of freeing her children. That, even after Jaime confessed he had flung Bran out the window. Not exactly clever, though she was, shall we say, 'emotionally desperate' after having been told her sons Bran and Rickon were dead. But we know from Jaime POV that he intended to honor their agreement, even if no one else expected it.
Now looking from the perspective of her society and her own situation, I dare say Catelyn is quite a tolerant person. True, she grudged Jon his presence, but only because she felt he represented Ned's betrayal of duty and honor. And Ned treated Catelyn very coldly where Jon was concerned, not allowing any questions or anything, which must have placed seeds of self-doubt in Catelyn. At the end of the day, Jon still got raised very closely with his siblings.
Cersei had wanted Robert's bastard put to death, and I think, she once mentioned she found it weird Catelyn put up with Neds bastard. That was more in the line of the societal norm.
And she doesn't treats Tyrion like shit just because his last name starts with L. She treats him as her hostage because she has been told this man is responsible for the assassination attempt behind her son. And Tyrion does carry a reputation of being cunning, so obviously she wouldn't trust him right off the bat when he proclaims his innocence. However, she does start to reconsider the situation as she listens to Tyrion's reasoning, however, it was already to late, once they entered the Vale, and Tyrion fell into Lysa's hands.
And at the end of the day, she did set Jaime 'The Kingslayer' Lannister loose, who is notoriously without honor, praying he would honor their agreement of freeing her children. That, even after Jaime confessed he had flung Bran out the window. Not exactly clever, though she was, shall we say, 'emotionally desperate' after having been told her sons Bran and Rickon were dead. But we know from Jaime POV that he intended to honor their agreement, even if no one else expected it.
As a fellow NY Jet fan GRRM has to accept reality, we suck and we are rebuilding.
The Mountain 2.0 looks so wrong for the role.
Watching football on a Sunday afternoon at GRRM's house must be surreal.
I imagine this den full of a mixture of naval relics (because he looks like an old sea captain) and fantasy props. In the middle of the room is a high, wing backed leather chair. Next to it is a small table on which sits a large ashtray full of stubbed out cigar butts, a bottle of Jameson, and a half empty glass. And GRRM sits in the chair, polishing a gigantic sword, while angrily swearing at the TV. For 12 hours straight.
Once football is over he switches to HBO and watches that night's episode of GoT. He grumbles a lot and rewatches all the scenes with tits.
Watching football on a Sunday afternoon at GRRM's house must be surreal.
I imagine this den full of a mixture of naval relics (because he looks like an old sea captain) and fantasy props. In the middle of the room is a high, wing backed leather chair. Next to it is a small table on which sits a large ashtray full of stubbed out cigar butts, a bottle of Jameson, and a half empty glass. And GRRM sits in the chair, polishing a gigantic sword, while angrily swearing at the TV. For 12 hours straight.
Once football is over he switches to HBO and watches that night's episode of GoT. He grumbles a lot and rewatches all the scenes with tits.
She is judgmental, though. It's part of her character. I have no qualms with her decisions as a desperate mother, but in the second book
she goes on and on about how unfortunate Brienne is for being so ugly.
DrForester
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You can really only point to three events...
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Catelyn's arrest of Tyrion sent the Lannister's into a frenzy, it cause the injury of Eddard, and who knows what he might have been able to do had he been mobile during that time. This also eventually led tot eh series of events causing his death, and the war.
You can look back further to Lysa poisoning her husband, and blaming it on the Lannisters, and this of course was all arranged by Littlefinger. But even then, Cat's rash decision was the main focal point. Lysa's actions alone didn't cause Cat's decision, it was the combination of Lysa's lies, and the attempted murder of Bran that led to everything.
You can look back further to Lysa poisoning her husband, and blaming it on the Lannisters, and this of course was all arranged by Littlefinger. But even then, Cat's rash decision was the main focal point. Lysa's actions alone didn't cause Cat's decision, it was the combination of Lysa's lies, and the attempted murder of Bran that led to everything.
And that reminds me of a book to show change I was wondering about from S2
Why did the show make sure to point out that it was Jeoffrey that sent soldiers after Robert's bastards, where the books make it clear that it was Cersei's doing?
Yeah, she's hideous...
There is no amount of Professionally lighthning and Photoshopery can make this woman look good.
Let me explain to you
* face features all out of proportion. Chin too tiny, nose too long, too close to mouth etc etc
* Not a sweet face. She look old,like 28-30, and she act even older, like a 35 old woman. I haven't checked imdb but I wouldn't be surprised if she is 35.
* Wrong actress for the part. Margaery is supposed to be a a very innocent and young maiden, at least from the outside. She look all kind of calculating and manipulating just from her neck up. This severely undermind that "surprise" thing and also the incoming conflict between her and Cersei.
edit: this is supposed to be a cheese cake Equire Magazine shoot? And she still can't smile properly.
But you said it yourself, it's all because
Lysa Arryn poisened Jon Arryn, whereafter Robert came to Winterfell and started the whole shitstorm. Bran was injured at Winterfell, which prompted Catelyn to go look for the culprit, which lead her to Littlefinger and then to Tyrion.
None of this would have happened if Littlefinger hasn't talked Lysa into killing Jon Arryn. It's all because of Littlefinger. Everything.
None of this would have happened if Littlefinger hasn't talked Lysa into killing Jon Arryn. It's all because of Littlefinger. Everything.
About Joffrey sending the soldiers instead of Cersei, it's part of the show's decision to make Joffrey even more evil and deranged than in the books. Just like when they added the scene with him making the whores beat each other. It's making him even easier to hate, while at the same time showing how out of control he is, even for Cersei.
And to be fair, he wasn't nearly as crazy in the books, if I recall correctly. He was just an amazingly irritating, arrogant little asshole, but he wasn't crazy.
Right?
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2/10 would not bang
krameriffic
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Jaime
becomes a much more sympathetic figure later on. He becomes an example of a Lannister who isn't completely intolerable (other than Tyrion). And that really starts when he gets his hand cut off and continues upon his return to King's Landing.
She is like a less extreme version of Lily Cole. the clothes do flattered her (she didn't look that amazing when she look them off last season), but the quoted part i agree with, her face does give the game away, her ambitions and intentions too easy to read.
The Mountain from season one was much better.
The only intolerable Lannisters are Cersei and Joffrey. Jaime, Tyrion, Tywin, and Kevan are all great.
Who the hell are you? Governor of all that is symmetrical and proportional?
blainethemono
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(Series)
if Aerys doesn't inherit the throne through Aegon V then Robert never becomes king and none of that shit happens. If Aemon takes the throne instead of Aegon he could have lived a long life and still been on the throne at the time when A Game of Thrones takes place
Going further back (Dunk & Egg - The Hedge Knight)
If Baelor Breakspear doesn't choose to fight on Dunk's side, history would have been changed from that moment on. If the puppet girl is doing any of her other shows besides the one about a knight slaying a dragon at the moment Aerion Targaryen walks past her stall, he doesn't rage out and break her finger causing Dunk to go berserk and kick the guy in the face. if Dunk doesn't waltz into Ashford to participate in the tournament then he never sees any of it and none of it happens, he doesn't get thrown in a cell and pushed into a trial of seven, Baelor possibly becomes king eventually, etc... Basically it seems like the events of Hedge Knight are this perfect storm that lays the foundation for EVERYTHING that happens afterwards.
It's just a big ass chaotic chain of events that eventually leads to the war of the five kings and everything else that happens. If one event happens differently then everything might have been avoided. Or maybe it could have turned out even worse. I think that's one of the things I love about this series, the history is so rich and intricate that it seems like something that could actually happen.
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
un33dab@dpu$$y
I wish I still had a copy of the book with the Hedge Knight in it. I'd love to read it again.
blainethemono
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I used to always see hardcover copies of Dreamsongs Vol II in the discount sections of bookstores for like 8 bucks. I think it's available on kindle too, or Legends is at least. I can't wait for the compilation to come out though, I don't have hard copies of the others
DrForester
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ASOS
Turns out he was the one to send the assassin after Bran, for no reason then to impress Robert.
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
un33dab@dpu$$y
Yeah, Legends isn't too expensive on Amazon. I may have to get it again. I have the graphic novel, and while pretty good, it's just not the same.
Well, yeah, if we go all the way back, then
The Doom of Valyria is basically the foundation to everything
I stayed within the confines of AGOT for a reason
And to be fair,
Littlefinger (indirectly) poisoning Jon Arryn, and his whole motivation for starting this shitstorm in the first place doesn't have anything to do with the Targaryens, Robert, or any of that stuff, so it's not really fair to include all of that in the story. The main plot of AGOT started because of one man's greed, which had nothing to do with everything that came before it. It was a personal thing. As far as we know, of course.
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Well yeah but ASOS
that's not really crazy. You said it yourself, he wasnts to impress his father the King, who never really paid attention to him. He's a thirteen year old kid, for crying out loud, not to mention he's incredibly spoiled and arrogant.
I don't think what he did was crazy, just incredibly reckless, stupid and all that jazz.
It sure as hell wasn't on the same level as the stuff he does in the show.
I don't think what he did was crazy, just incredibly reckless, stupid and all that jazz.
It sure as hell wasn't on the same level as the stuff he does in the show.
That's my point.
To be fair, Ned would also be considered a Dumb ass by many.
I pictured Margaery to be more younger looking, like Willa Holland. But Im guessing Holland would have a terrible english accent. I still like Natalie Dorner though.
This is why I like how the show handled Jaime from the start. In the first season he had the conversation with tywin about how he couldnt kill ned because he still valued his honor, this didnt exist in the book and it showed us how he still had some good in him. In the book it was all so abrupt, he went from Mr.Incest to oh look he actually has a heart.
blainethemono
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Well, yeah, if we go all the way back, then, but that's going too far of course.The Doom of Valyria is basically the foundation to everything
I stayed within the confines of AGOT for a reason
And to be fair,Littlefinger (indirectly) poisoning Jon Arryn, and his whole motivation for starting this shitstorm in the first place doesn't have anything to do with the Targaryens, Robert, or any of that stuff, so it's not really fair to include all of that in the story. The main plot of AGOT started because of one man's greed, which had nothing to do with everything that came before it. It was a personal thing. As far as we know, of course.
Yeah thats true. I just really love thinking about this stuff and how differently things might have turned out. Also I just finished rereading THK last night and I wanted to talk about it. It's really interesting and impressive to me how all of these tiny events hundreds of years prior to the first book tie into what eventually goes down in the main series.
I like her. There's something kind of ethereal about her face. Definitely not a classic beauty, but her uniqueness is quite alluring.
Enosh
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ASOS
to be fair robb could have just told him the damn plan but he didn't for some never explained reason, at least I don't remember it ever being explained why he didn't just go "yo uncle, don't attack him I'm luring him into a trap kk?"
the again he is Cats son...
the again he is Cats son...
Lactose_Intolerant
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Slurry is a horrible actress. They picked the wrong Tudors actress:
Though I do like Natalie and her impish smile.
I think there was alot of emphasis in the book about how crows were being intercepted and shot down from left to right so it might have been dangerous to send a message. I cant really remember though.
bodyofanamerican
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Well, yeah, if we go all the way back, then, but that's going too far of course.The Doom of Valyria is basically the foundation to everything
I stayed within the confines of AGOT for a reason
And to be fair,Littlefinger (indirectly) poisoning Jon Arryn, and his whole motivation for starting this shitstorm in the first place doesn't have anything to do with the Targaryens, Robert, or any of that stuff, so it's not really fair to include all of that in the story. The main plot of AGOT started because of one man's greed, which had nothing to do with everything that came before it. It was a personal thing. As far as we know, of course.
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Well yeah but ASOSthat's not really crazy. You said it yourself, he wasnts to impress his father the King, who never really paid attention to him. He's a thirteen year old kid, for crying out loud, not to mention he's incredibly spoiled and arrogant.
I don't think what he did was crazy, just incredibly reckless, stupid and all that jazz.
It sure as hell wasn't on the same level as the stuff he does in the show.
Please fix your tag above
ASOS
You make a good point that the release of Jaime made Robb's life forfeit, but the circumstances of Bolton's defection includes not just the sack of Winterfell or Jaime's release, but Stannis's defeat, and the insurmountable odds the North faced in the Lannister/Tyrell alliance. Again, I think it's unfair to place the blame of the North's loss on Catelyn. The North lost due to several miscalculations and bad decision.
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