Gamepass subs increased from 18 million to 30 million from Jan 2021?
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RaZoR No1
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Stupid question.
Is the whole converting process only available once or only the "convert it for 1 bucks* process?
Even if we have to pay 13€ for the conversion it is still a great deal.
Heisenberg007
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You're assuming that the 30 million figure is true. Why?
Dabaus
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If im not mistaken MS said their subs and services were down 4 percent in their last report. This was also the quarter of their "big" e3 no?
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Heisenberg007
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$1 for first-time conversion. The next time it'll be $15 to convert all XBLG, so only $14 more. Still a great conversion deal!
Bragr
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The 1 dollar conversion is only once, if you already used it, you gotta buy 1 month of game pass to convert it.
Heisenberg007
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Recalling from memory (so I could be wrong), but I think their revenue was down by 4% (includes third-party games sales and MTX revenue), but their Gamepass subscription grew. They didn't reveal by how much though and whether it was QoQ growth but a decline YoY, for example.
But again, I could be misremembering it.
Dabaus
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Im pretty sure they explicitly said subs and services but id have to check.
"The Productivity and Intelligent Cloud divisions had to pull their weight this quarter, as some of Microsoft's businesses flagged in Q4. It was a disappointing quarter for Xbox, which went from a very healthy 50 percent year-on-year revenue increase in Q3 to a 4 percent decrease in Q4. While Microsoft has struggled to get consoles on shelves...."
Microsoft Q4 Results Top Expectations, Xbox Revenue Slips Amid a Lack of Games
The cloud continues to carry Microsoft as supply constraints and a lack of games hurt the company's Xbox and Surface businesses.
wccftech.com
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Bragr
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Pretty sure, not completely sure, but pretty sure.
SenjutsuSage
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Maybe they're waiting to announce their number later. I don't get this logic that implies that something MUST happen at a specific time or else it clearly can't be true or accurate. Maybe they will announce it when they are good and ready. What if they gain another million or 2 prior to Infinite's launch?
Magnific0giganticus
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I get you. Consider this though. PlayStation Plus is also a sub service. It's one that is mandatory to play most non-F2P online games. Given the vast majority of gamers playing online many of the most popular games like COD, GTAV, Madden, FIFA, NBA2K, etc. one would think the majority of PS4 owners would be subbed to Plus.
Turns out they aren't. PS4 is the 2nd highest home console ever at over 116 million units (only behind PS2), and yet PS+ sub numbers are at around 47 million as per latest report. PS+ sub also includes 3 new games each month that remain as part of a library that never phases out, and accessible to any subbed user who redeemed those games.
At $60 per year it's a great value. It's 36 different games each year, many of which are highly rated games, plus the ever important online functionality access (plus some other perks like cloud storage), for $5 a month (and you can always fish for $30, $40 a year deals). That service is 47 million subbers strong, with an user base of over 100 million. $5 or less, that's literally nothing. And again, it's pretty much mandatory to game online.
Game Pass is great value, but it's not $5 a month, even if lots of people get it for that price it's not that widespread a deal, and it's not as "must-have" to lots of people as compared to "multiplayer access". And yes, the Xbox user base should be around 40 million (give or take, including Series Sales), and PC users add a lot more, but the waters get muddier there with even stronger competition and options.
One per year. Pocket change
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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That's also possible, tbf. Wasn't trying to imply they're on a schedule or anything just that 30 million sounds like a good milestone, no?
Magnific0giganticus
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They wouldn't otherwise have got? Speaking for yourself or each and everyone of those $1 tricksters? Wow, you're a real hero. Xbox should have a Hall of Fame for subscribers like you!
Warnen
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Dabaus
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Just yesterday Jeff Grubb, who is as close to an xbox insider as youre going to get, said 20 MILLION SUBS!
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"In the United States, Xbox Game Pass Ultimate remains $15 per month. Game Pass is Microsoft's key strategy for gaming moving forward, but it is far from turning a profit. While the service has approximately 20 million subscribers, according to sources, Microsoft is spending billions of dollars on acquiring content. But as these price cuts suggest, the Game Pass team is more concerned about attracting new subscribers than making money at this time."
Xbox is lowering the price of Game Pass in Chile, Hong Kong, and Israel
Xbox Game Pass is getting a price cut -- but only in certain, limited territories. Microsoft is responding to market conditions.
venturebeat.com
"In the United States, Xbox Game Pass Ultimate remains $15 per month. Game Pass is Microsoft's key strategy for gaming moving forward, but it is far from turning a profit. While the service has approximately 20 million subscribers, according to sources, Microsoft is spending billions of dollars on acquiring content. But as these price cuts suggest, the Game Pass team is more concerned about attracting new subscribers than making money at this time."
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R3claimer117
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Lmao got to love console warrior logic when it's negative perceived news like the initiative in turmoil speculate all you want. When it's gamepass going over or reaching 30 million subs please reference article from January of 2021 where the gamepass numbers will forever be stuck. This service will continue to grow and will be very industry defining at some point when they get over 50 to 60 million subs. Explains why they will be looking to buy or absorb more studios since growing subs is going to mean more content.
Sosokrates
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If thats an average of $10/month per sub, thats $3.6 billion per year. To put things into perspective you would need to sell 11 games each selling 8 million each and each making $40.
Ita seems more profitable then the standard model, neither company has had 11 games each selling 8 million.
Ita seems more profitable then the standard model, neither company has had 11 games each selling 8 million.
R3claimer117
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Now you want to quote Jeff grub to go against a positive Xbox narrative but if he had said 30 you'll all be calling him stupid and that he gets a hundred things wrong which is it? Denial is strongJust yesterday Jeff Grubb, who is as close to an xbox insider as youre going to get, said 20 MILLION SUBS!
Xbox is lowering the price of Game Pass in Chile, Hong Kong, and Israel
Xbox Game Pass is getting a price cut -- but only in certain, limited territories. Microsoft is responding to market conditions.
In the United States, Xbox Game Pass Ultimate remains $15 per month. Game Pass is Microsoft's key strategy for gaming moving forward, but it is far from turning a profit. While the service has approximately 20 million subscribers, according to sources, Microsoft is spending billions of dollars on acquiring content. But as these price cuts suggest, the Game Pass team is more concerned about attracting new subscribers than making money at this time.
lol 
Dabaus
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I persoanlly cant stand him but when it comes to MS side of things he knows stuff.Now you want to quote Jeff grub to go against a positive Xbox narrative but if he had said 30 you'll all be calling him stupid and that he gets a hundred things wrong which is it? Denial is strong
HeisenbergFX4
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Demon2blades
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Yeah definitely playstations PS plus subs are terribly low aswell especially like you say it's needed for online play and the numbers involved , I wonder how much not putting the free to play titans like warzone/Fortnite behind a paywall effects things like subs and will it get worse if say FIFA goes free to play that's gotta be where the majority of players are on those games imho .
JackMcGunns
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Just watched it. Strauss asked PS what it was and guessed 30 million. Phil corrected him and said the last publicly announced figure was 18.
No news here.
Edit: Timestamp: 34 minute mark or so
Strauss Zelnick: "But I think last time we talked with you we got about 30 million subs Phil right, something like that?
Phil Spencer: The last public number we've announced is 18. "Laughs"
Sharon Waxman: Oh, but it's really 30?
Strauss Zelnick: It's more than 18, the point is it's a big number, so clearly they're serving... (interrupted) The question is, does that grow to 200 million and it only can if it's serving people really well.
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Im pretty sure they explicitly said subs and services but id have to check.
"The Productivity and Intelligent Cloud divisions had to pull their weight this quarter, as some of Microsoft's businesses flagged in Q4. It was a disappointing quarter for Xbox, which went from a very healthy 50 percent year-on-year revenue increase in Q3 to a 4 percent decrease in Q4. While Microsoft has struggled to get consoles on shelves...."
Microsoft Q4 Results Top Expectations, Xbox Revenue Slips Amid a Lack of Games
The cloud continues to carry Microsoft as supply constraints and a lack of games hurt the company's Xbox and Surface businesses.
Gaming revenue increased $357 million or 11% driven by growth in Xbox hardware, offset in part by a decline in Xbox content and services. Xbox hardware revenue increased 172% driven by higher price and volume of consoles sold due to the Xbox Series X|S launches. Xbox content and services revenue decreased $128 million or 4% driven by a decline in third-party titles on a strong prior year comparable that benefitted from stay-at-home scenarios, offset in part by growth in Xbox Game Pass subscriptions and first-party titles.
Gamepass up, third party sales down. Its a YoY comparison as well.
Just to add that was the financial results ending in 30th June.
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Chukhopops
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Didn't you call Jeff Grubb a « conspiracy theorist », « Xbox hatchet man », « fake Xbox insider » multiple times? And now because he says something you like he has now a « pretty good track record »?
MrS
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Nobody with sense is paying $10 per month. I've had my X for 1 month and have already accrued enough reward points for a free month of gamepass. At this rate I'll never have to pay any real dollars for GP. Gotta imagine there are millions doing the same thing, in addition to the 3 years for £120 gold conversion "trick" (which works out at around 3 dollars per month over 3 years).
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Leyasu
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This.
More than an educated guess. Although probably not 100% accurate, definitely within the ballpark.
30m subs paying an average of between 8 - 10 $ per month makes the running costs of all those studios disappear.
NinjaBoiX
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What is this trick?
Topher
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Partially accurate. After Phil Spencer says the announced number is 18, Strauss says "for some reason I thought it was <garbled>". Strauss then says it is more than 18 assuming it had increased since the last public announcement.
Seems clear Strauss simply doesn't know regardless.
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Deleted member 471617
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I can easily see 30m right now. Zelnick was most likely saying the actual number or very close to it because he obviously would have that info. My prediction is 35m once Microsoft reveals their Q2 (Q4 in general) numbers/results in January.
Bragr
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Looked through the earlier posts, it's explained there somewhere.
jezhumphrey75
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I am a gamepass subscriber since day 1, never paid a thing for it thank to Microsoft rewards....I haven't spent 1 penny on it and completed and trialled loads of games, love it.
HeisenbergFX4
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Wonder if that 30 million was used in acquisition talks
Topher
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That revenue is shared with all the developers and publishers who have games on the service. So that revenue doesn't mean much as far as profitability. Obviously MS expects it to be profitable at some point, but Greenberg has said it is not, at this point at least.
Jigsaah
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Makes you wonder huh? The tea leaves looking mighty presumptuous right now.Wonder if that 30 million was used in acquisition talks
Crazy if it happens. Absolutely insane. Literally a generation winning event bigger than Bethesda.
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Magic Carpet
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12 million more since February. Thats 2 million a month.
I'm going to take a armchair guess that 6 milllion was new series consoles and 3 million was for old xbone consoles and 3 million for PC only.
I'm going to take a armchair guess that 6 milllion was new series consoles and 3 million was for old xbone consoles and 3 million for PC only.
KRYPT83
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Take2 is one of the biggest publishers Strauss knows the numbers wait until Halo and Forza launch 30mill ain't nothing
Riky
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The likes of Starfield and Elder Scrolls VI are going to send it through the roof.
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