ShockingAlberto
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And you shoot.faridmon said:
Gamereactors editor in chief "I was blasted over Uncharted 2 review" + review scores
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I AM JOHN!
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Glad to see this thread has descended into madness since the last time I checked it.
TheChewyWaffles
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Safe Bet said:
It's about as "on rails" as any shooter I've ever played. I think it's a fair statement.
I AM JOHN!
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Assumedly (I'm assuming based on how short it is), it's his note from the editor column that pretty much every magazine has where the EIC writes about something they've been thinking about, oftentimes related to the magazine. This is what he was thinking about whenever he wrote this column, so he wrote it.Master Z said:
So obviously he's just looking for attention because he's a whiny hack!
TheChewyWaffles
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Lunchbox said:NOT A 10!!???? DOES THIS GUY NOT LEARN !!!!!!!
Off-topic but is that gif from blood diamond? Damned disturbing.
AltogetherAndrews
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Also, this probably wouldn't have come to light hadn't SantaC, uh, darkwings been so bitter about Hollywood games like Uncharted 2 stealing all the limelight from his precious Made in Sweden games.
You guys are the reason why games journalism is so shitty these days.
Everyone gets so precious about these fucking games that reviewers daren't give hyped games fair and honest reviews any more. Everything gets a fucking 9 or 10 slapped on it, lest they enrage the manchildren, most of whom don't even read their magazine and contribute to their income.
Why the hell does a magazine that you've never read, that you can't buy, written in a language you can't understand have to justify itself to you?
And why the fuck do you even care?
Everyone gets so precious about these fucking games that reviewers daren't give hyped games fair and honest reviews any more. Everything gets a fucking 9 or 10 slapped on it, lest they enrage the manchildren, most of whom don't even read their magazine and contribute to their income.
Why the hell does a magazine that you've never read, that you can't buy, written in a language you can't understand have to justify itself to you?
And why the fuck do you even care?
AltogetherAndrews
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Burai said:
Personally, I just like ripping on critics, and find it hilarious when critics can't quite handle being critiqued. Also, Gamereactor licks ass.
I'm just going off the info in the OP which states it to be an article...and I never meant to insinuate that he's some type of hack, in fact in my first post I made it clear that I couldn't care less about a critic's opinion. However I stand by my opinion that he should not have even responded to the rage at all. Haters are gonna hate etc.I AM JOHN! said:
DCharlie
And even i am moderately surprised
2006 was the beginning. but i don't think that's the problem....
gah, i'll come out and say it : Sony fans lack a sense of humour.
SDF : they don't have a Gahiggidy-style person who can stab themselves in the face and enjoy the languishing horrificness of their platforms situation, though that phase has largely gone.
Instead, we get The Kitton and co. Dour sourpuss SERIEZ BIZNEZZ central, Wollan at least could roll with it sometimes, and Shane is comedy platinum but they're GONE.
Jive Turkey
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Yeah whatever happened to Wollan anyway?
AltogetherAndrews
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DCharlie said:
I'd say that some of this is pure opportunity. Let's face it, the common Xbox 360 exclusive fan-nut is every bit as keen of a trollspotter and humorless fancock as, say, an Uncharted 1 fan, but for better or worse, Sony has given their fans (although I'd think that Sony itself would feel that these fans do more harm than good) more games to be maniacal about.
drakesfortune
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DCharlie said:
That's a cop out. I think it's fair to question scores that are out on a limb on the extremes.
If Captain Shit Brains Adventure receives 3 out of 10's from 99% of the press, and then Gamezidiot gives it a 9/10, I think it's fair to say that people should tease the reviewer that gave it out of 10, and question their motives. Giving a game THE low or THE high score generates clicks. It's a fact. So you really have to question both the low and high scores. Sure an 8/10 isn't a bad score, but I think it's fair that when 99% of the scores are between 9/10 and 10/10 that you question the 2 guys who gave it an 8/10.
Personally I think it's just bad taste, but you never know when it's a click monster looking for clicks and cash. Is Uncharted 2 an 8/10? I just don't see how anyone could say that. 9/10 sure, but 8/10, no, not really. It's the pinnacle in it's genre, nothing comes close, it is the bar. It set the bar. There's no question. And again just look at GotY awards, there has rarely been such consensus as there was this year.
DCharlie
And even i am moderately surprised
I'd actually flown off on a tangent there actually, regarding more "what is wrong with the SDF" rather than the specifics of this review. However, i do have to consider that people are getting upset because the lowest review of U2 is "8/10" which, come on, should be easy to play up as a plus point or at least have some fun with.
why? As we've already discussed , modern games reviewing is , by and large, in the shitter due to a number of factors - people wanting affirmation of their belief of how awesome a game is before they've tried due to , groan, "console politics", then we have publisher pressure etc etc.
Great games being underrated has happened many times before. If anything the REVERSE is much more common these days - all 9 and 10 and a few at 7 or 8. If anything the glaring evidence points to poor reviewing standards and the perchance to give big scores for big name games whilst reviews that maybe more critical are out there. Problem being that most of the good commentary is no doubt lost in the sea of fanboy drivel and arguing over "Why did it get a 7!?!?" whilst the answer is in the frigging text.
WHY!?!?!?
seriously, WHY? it makes no sense. There needs to be MORE snobbery in games reviewing, populist opinion shouldn't come into this and an 8 SHOULDN'T be just questioned as "hmmm bias/bad review"
Okay, this is simplifying the thing totally, but this is akin to saying "Well, EVERYONE loves Britney Spears, so anyone who doesn't like her is plain wrong! Look at how many people love her!"
That is a hell of an assumption you are making. I can just as easily argue that the magazines giving 9 or 10 are just doing it so fanboys can go in their droves and reaffirm their beliefs in a cheerleading style celebration of how awesome their opinion is.
The truth as far as i can see it is an 8/9/10 spread is NOT UNUSUALLY and the guy who gave it an 8 a) justified WHY b) still LIKED the game.
JESUS tittyfucking christ. Here... let me show you.
*I* don't see how anyone could think PN03 is anything less than an 11! Counter that!
*I* voted it game of the year on the last gafcast, I thought it was brilliant, I thought it was unparalleled all year. A monster rollercoaster ride with an accomplished multiplayer. The difference is i can ACCEPT that it's not entirely to everyones tastes. I have no idea why everyone else can't.
Half Life 2 wasn't THAT long ago surely?
I see this as an excuse allot. While it is true there are people who invest to much emotional support on every side of the coin. Where are the same review meltdowns? Or retail musings? Or other shit for the other systems?AltogetherAndrews said:
We have another piss and moan thread how Uncharted 2 was scored 5 months ago. Right after a nasty Edge thread over God of War. Where are the equivalents, more in such a time frame?
RustyNails
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Holy holy holy shit. I agree with drakesfortune. I never thought I'd live to see the day.
AltogetherAndrews
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shintoki said:
There would probably be more meltdowns if Halo 3 didn't score 10s in the same magazines that have given the most recent big time PS3 exclusives a more critical look. I mean, that is the whole source of the meltdowns, what Uncharted fans consider an odd critical look from magazines that have been curiously overseeing with issues that other games may have.
Additionally, people wouldn't have a meltdown about Uncharted 2 in this thread if this dorkwad writer for this asslick magazine hadn't whinged about being critiqued.
Again, opportunity. Not saying that any of it is sane, but it's opportunity.
RustyNails
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I think it has to do with the fact that PS3 games are judged with a more critical eye than others. Killzone 2 and GoW 3 got points taken off in graphics department due to an odd low rez texture, regardless of the fact they set the current benchmark in console graphics. Where as games like GTA4 get full marks despite having low rez work here and there. Stuff like that.shintoki said:
That depends on how you define your grading criteria.drakesfortune said:
If you're basing it primarily on production values, then yeah it's impossible to justify anything less than a 9+ for UC2. If you're heavily weighting towards gameplay challenge and innovation, then UC2 isn't exactly stellar. If (like this reviewer) your criteria include nonlinearity in an adventure game, then its easy to see why you would dock this game a few points.
Depends on how you define your genres. What genre id UC2 "the pinnacle" of? Is it the best third-person adventure game evar? No, not really. Is it the best HD adventure game with massive interactive set pieces? Sure. But being first in that category doesn't mandate a particular score.drakesfortune said:
AltogetherAndrews
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shintoki said:
Uh, I have seen meltdowns in Halo threads regarding the odd low score from a supposedly wrong critic, so there is your answer to that. It's the same crazy and completely humorless mindset, but there are less such exclusives to be maniacal about. Sony fantards are irritated at Edge because they have taken a critical stance towards recent Sony exclusives. Based on the first part here, I'd expect the same from Halo fantards hadn't the Halo games enjoyed perfect scores and hyperbolic praise. Are you seriously going to argue otherwise?
And I'm calling the magazine and the critic for what they are. It's a shit rag, and has always been a shit rag. The fact that this critic is bleeding martyr blood all over the place because he was criticized is comical.
a Master Ninja
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You sound like a paranoid fanboy.RustyNails said:
Night_Trekker
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I don't agree at all with the reviewer's apparent opinion that passive cutscenes are a no-no, but it sucks that he can't give his honest opinion on a game's quality without being torn apart by crybaby fanboys.
Not that I would expect better from people, especially people on the internet, but still.
Not that I would expect better from people, especially people on the internet, but still.
AltogetherAndrews
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Night_Trekker said:
He's a critic, he should welcome criticism of his work. After all, it's just their opinions, man. Respect them, man.
Night_Trekker
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AltogetherAndrews said:
Criticism is one thing. Butthurt manchildren whining that their golden cow was... well, not even slaughtered really, just kinda weakly insulted--that's not valid criticism. That's mindless, froth-flecked fanboyism.
RustyNails
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Wow, I'm being judged.a Master Ninja said:
RustyNails
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Well, you know how fans can be. Kojima got death threats from MGS fans because he said he won't be making MGS4Night_Trekker said:
I'm guessing not very many of the people he's complaining about critiqued his work, as opposed to crying about a numerical digit appearing somewhere in his work, that happens to not agree with their "unquestionable" opinion of what the right digit should be.AltogetherAndrews said:
I think Uncharted 2 caught a lucky break releasing in a year with such little competition. Not that it's a bad game, but let's face it, all of the best titles were delayed and just never showed up for the party. Any other year, and Uncharted 2 would have been just another good to great game lost in the shuffle.jman2050 said:
Night_Trekker
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RustyNails said:Well, you know how fans can be. Kojima got death threats from MGS fans because he said he won't be making MGS4
If only the threats had scared him to another IP
Slime said:
Yep.
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I think this thread shows whats wrong with video game journalism. We really need to drop the 8-10 scale. Or even better, drop all grades and numbers entirely, and force viewers to read the articles. Far too many people focus on the scores and not the context of the review. Why even have grades at this point? All hyped games get good scores unless they're really, really terrible. Everyone buys games on day 1 anyway. Reviews seem like a way to justify an already purchased game more than anything.
Far too many gaming sites attempt to come across as objective. I know most major sites attempt to be objective, but what's wrong with being subjective? Tell us how you felt playing the game. I'd much rather read a review talking about how someone experienced the game and what they took away from it after playing than trying to attach some numerical score to the graphics, sound, controls, and whatnot.
Seeing GAF get up in arms over a game scoring 8 out of 10 is terrible. We have a long way to go before this industry begins maturing.
Far too many gaming sites attempt to come across as objective. I know most major sites attempt to be objective, but what's wrong with being subjective? Tell us how you felt playing the game. I'd much rather read a review talking about how someone experienced the game and what they took away from it after playing than trying to attach some numerical score to the graphics, sound, controls, and whatnot.
Seeing GAF get up in arms over a game scoring 8 out of 10 is terrible. We have a long way to go before this industry begins maturing.
RustyNails
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GTFODan Yo said:
drakesfortune said:
:lol
What a sad, sad individual you are. "ZOMG this reviewer fell outside 1 standard deviation from the metacritic average. INTERROGATE!!!!!"
It's clear that the SDF are only interested in reading the same review over and over and are incapable of accepting diverse opinions.
If you visited Rotten Tomatoes where almost every single movie has both positive and negative reviews listed your head would probably explode.
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DCharlie said:yet i sent him thank you chocos!
I read this as "I sent him tacos."
Time for bed.
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To Far Away Times said:
If a site tries to do this, less people will visit it, guaranteed.
DCharlie said:
That's a bad thing? LOL.
Magazine editor bitching about people bitching about his review? At the end of the day he can still review the game any which way he wants, it's his magazine. I don't get the whole lmalmalam creative genius schtick, how dare people disagree with my review and call me names.
Am I like the de-facto head of state for SDF nation now? Do I have to cross the delaware river?
I've played through Uncharted 2. I have the trophy to prove it, should anyone assume I'm just trolling, and I honestly felt the game was a 6/10 at best. To see people claiming that giving it an 8/10 is impossible/ridiculous just confuses me. It just wasn't that great of a single player game. It had a pretty awesome multiplayer (the beta was what got me to buy it) but really, I couldn't stand the campaign in this one (or the first). I played through it since I wanted to see why it was being so praised and if it improved on the first one.
Anyways, my point is, not everyone is going to agree that a game deserves a 10/10. Some people, shockingly, have different tastes in games.
Anyways, my point is, not everyone is going to agree that a game deserves a 10/10. Some people, shockingly, have different tastes in games.
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Burai said:
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Full disclosure: I played U2 after recovering from surgery and being on a steady supply of OxyContin for pain relief. U2 was amazing, but, again, I was so doped up on pain meds if I were playing Harvest Moon 64 it would have seemed like the second coming.
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