BruceLeeRoy
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Completely agree. I couldn't even bring myself to finish GTA4. First time that's happened with any Rockstar game.
Every game on that list still holds up except ironically the two games that were the 4th iteration of the series.
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Gamespot: Our complete list of 10/10 reviews and how they're decided
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Completely agree. I couldn't even bring myself to finish GTA4. First time that's happened with any Rockstar game.
Every game on that list still holds up except ironically the two games that were the 4th iteration of the series.
the freelancer was andrew vestal who as far as i remember created RPGFan, so not exactly a nobody (insofar as reviewers are somebodies). doesn't mean it wasn't deserved.
inbeforeavatarquote
I think you could say the same thing about any art form. It's not so much about the scale or the effort, but how cohesive the total package is and the message it's attempting to send.
If Gamespot rated MGS4 a 10, is there a secret scale above that where they can put MGS 1-3 since all of them are way better games?
Can't think on anything else, it's embarrassing that MGS4 is there but not MGS1/2/3, I'm sure they're realizing they were wrong by now.
GTA4 is even more embarrassing, it was just pure hype, very few believe it is a masterpiece above all other games in the series, so again, a very bad call by Gamespot.
It's not only the undeserved 10 they gave for both of these games, it's the 10 's they didn't give to the better games in the series, the much better games and the true classics, shame.
privitsan02
Member
They were all worthy of a 10 except for Bayonetta 2 and maybe Journey. While I don't disagree that Journey is near perfection and I can't fathom how it could get any better, but seeing it get a 10 while the original not getting a 10 boggles my mind. On the other hand, Bayonetta 2's technical problems annoyed me too much personally to award it a 10.
Grand Theft Auto 4 I'd say deserved it despite many in here believing otherwise. It truly was revolutionary and next generational at the time.
Best wishes.
Grand Theft Auto 4 I'd say deserved it despite many in here believing otherwise. It truly was revolutionary and next generational at the time.
Best wishes.
NinjamicWZ
Banned
I like this part, because at the start of the paragraph I thought "but then you're imparting doubt" but it rounded out and seemed like a great flux that results in better writing or a more marinated opinion.
When it comes to review press like this, I still always think of The Source magazine retroactively going back and giving 5 mics to undeniably classic hip-hop albums: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Source_(magazine)#The_Source.27s_Five-Mic_albums
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
I just think 10s are kind of weird in general. What do you do with games like GTA IV and MGS4 when a sequel comes out and it's better? They kind of talked about this on the Giant Bombcast - Street Fighter IV came out and got a high score then Super came out and was better and got a lower score.
fwiw I don't consider a 10 to be perfect, either.
fwiw I don't consider a 10 to be perfect, either.
Then you give the new game whatever score you feel like giving it. It's not an equation.
Should they take into account the budget, length and number of mechanics that are done fairly well into reviews?
You remember that they were given that final review score when the game was released.
Interfectum
Member
Reviews exist in the time they are given. You don't review a game thinking a better version may come out in the future so you better low ball it.
KillerMan91
Member
MGSIV won the GOTY of GAF twice. I think it's fair to say that it wasn't just the reviewers that loved the game. With GTA IV you have a point.
shiftplusone
Member
the first 4 10s took a 3 year period, and then a 10 year gap before another one.
they've given 4 10s over the last 10 months
This is just observational and not intended to be biased
Now the bias:
There are better god damn games released between 2001 and 2008 that deserve 10s more than THPS3 and GTA4 (especially GTA)
Bayonetta 2 and SMG2 are the only good games on that list
they've given 4 10s over the last 10 months
This is just observational and not intended to be biased
Now the bias:
There are better god damn games released between 2001 and 2008 that deserve 10s more than THPS3 and GTA4 (especially GTA)
Bayonetta 2 and SMG2 are the only good games on that list
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
Yeah I think so too. I dunno. I'm not a reviewer either so it doesn't really matter what I think of it.
Wrong both times!
Famitsu had the same progression after Nintendogs.
Jonneh3003
Banned
I agree with most of this
Trigonometrize.
Member
Those developers, if they exist, can get the fuck over it. Journey has perfect pacing and focus. If they can't comprehend why that makes the game good to tons of people then I don't know what to say to convince them.
Not to mention TGC worked plenty hard on Journey just as much as any AAA team. the game is 90 to 120 mminutes. That's a lot of shit.
Pristine_Condition
Member
MGS4 getting anything higher than a 6/10 is way worse. GTA IV at least has hours and hours and hours of gameplay and variety. MGS4 may be the worst-paced game in history. The critics who praised it were either bribed or completely snowed by Kojima's aura.
Yea it was very cool reading the Zelda quote, spot on, nice job by the reviewer for a change.
Sgt. Garlic
Member
GTA IV a 10? I didn't follow GTA back then and I saw the critical acclaim it got at release and thought wow I need to play this game some day! Then I played it.
Captain Smirk
Member
I can understand spur of the moment 10/10 but in hindsight it looks embarassing to reflect on them.
timetokill
Banned
I disagree with Chrono Cross, GTA4, MGS4, and Journey. I don't think any of them are bad games, but they fall pretty well short of "brilliant" to me. Anyway, pretty good collection otherwise.
Actually, Chrono Trigger absolutely would deserve a 10.
Actually, Chrono Trigger absolutely would deserve a 10.
Devilgunman
Member
I think the Bomb crews covered this in their podcast pretty thoroughly. A 10 doesn't mean the game is flawless. It means the game has done something extremely remarkable in one or more aspects and is just a joy to play, in its time. Which mean a game that received a 10 a decade ago won't necessary be receiving a 10 if it were to be release now because the standard/baseline has been risen since then. The prime example is Jeff's Gear of War UE review. He really loved the first Gears when it came out but he just couldn't give the upgraded version of the same game such a high praise in 2015 because he thinks the game can't hold up to the standard of modern games.
Did the hype last gen blind people so much? GTA IV and MGS4 were 8/10 games at best due to their many flaws. MGS4 has 10 billion cutscenes with horrible dialogue and the gameplay past Act 2 is subpar, although piloting a certain machine in Act 4 was fun. GTA IV was pretty subpar all around, inferior to the San Andreas in almost all respects with horrible characters and plot (oscar calibre hahahaha), crap mission design, etc. The pretty graphics must have made the reviewers forget about gameplay.
Wrote the wrong name. I agree with you Chrono Trigger is way better that Cross. Trigger is well deserved a 10.
Uno Venova
Banned
I used to like how infrequent they gave out tens, they seemed to have really loosened the purse these days, makes them pretty ordinary now.
Nice read.
The 10's I've played:
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
Soul Calibur
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3
Grand Theft Auto IV
Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots
Super Mario Galaxy 2
Bayonetta 2
The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt
The ones I feel deserved the score:
Ocarina of Time
MGS4
Super Mario Galaxy 2
The Witcher 3
The 10's I've played:
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
Soul Calibur
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3
Grand Theft Auto IV
Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots
Super Mario Galaxy 2
Bayonetta 2
The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt
The ones I feel deserved the score:
Ocarina of Time
MGS4
Super Mario Galaxy 2
The Witcher 3
THANK YOU. I've been trying to say this for like 20 posts but I couldn't put it together. People are being illogical or can't wrap their minds around this.
Like of course THPS3 isn't the greatest game of all time because it got a 10 from GameSpot 14 years ago.
inpHilltr8r
Member
Not particularly.
Krappadizzle
Member
That's a great list of games, the only one I don't really agree with was MGS4. Which it seems people tend to fall into two camps, they either loved the shit out of it or hated it.
Probably because the combat isn't mediocre and the story was great. I've noticed that it is a common complaint but I really can't see how someone could take issue with it. It combines the control you have in Demon's Souls (being able to dodge every attack) and the flow of a Batman game. I assume that most people played the game on the default faceroll difficulty but maybe you haven't.
The ones that they have given out recently are deserving, imo. We just happen to be in a time of legendary games.
I agree, this makes perfect sense. But games like MGS4 and GTA IV were inferior to MGS3 and GTA: San Andreas aside from the graphic upgrades.
Mauricio_Magus
Banned
I agree with Bayo 2 and SMG2, those games are in my top 5 of all time.
BassForever
Member
Chrono Cross isn't worthy of a 10/10, it has far too many real problems before discussing its status as a sequel to Trigger. What it did well it did REALLY well though.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
You forget how ridiculously overrated GTA IV and MGS4 were.
Oh god I am so glad OTs arent like this anymore
OoT - I can see someone giving this a 10, sure.
Soul Calibur - Haven't played.
Chrono Cross - No matter how much I love this game, I just can't wrap my head around it being higher than an 8.
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3 - Haven't played.
GTAIV - Don't see how this could be a 10 either, especially being worse than previous GTAs in all kinds of ways.
MGS4 - Same as GTAIV.
Super Mario Galaxy 2 - This is only a 10 if Super Mario Galaxy 1 is an 11.
Bayonetta 2 - Maybe a 10.
Witcher 3 - Way too many technical problems to be considered a 10.
Journey - Haven't played, yet.
MGS5 - Haven't played, yet.
Soul Calibur - Haven't played.
Chrono Cross - No matter how much I love this game, I just can't wrap my head around it being higher than an 8.
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3 - Haven't played.
GTAIV - Don't see how this could be a 10 either, especially being worse than previous GTAs in all kinds of ways.
MGS4 - Same as GTAIV.
Super Mario Galaxy 2 - This is only a 10 if Super Mario Galaxy 1 is an 11.
Bayonetta 2 - Maybe a 10.
Witcher 3 - Way too many technical problems to be considered a 10.
Journey - Haven't played, yet.
MGS5 - Haven't played, yet.
Future generations will look back at it the same way we look back at Mark Twain.
They reviewed MGS4 in 2008 and not in 2015.
Krappadizzle
Member
On consoles. On PC that game runs very very well. So if you detach the game from it's console version I'd say it deserves the 10, if you don't detach the game and rank specifically how it runs on the consoles then yes, you'd be right. It should have had two separate reviews so that people would have had a clearer idea as to what to expect as I KNOW i'd have been disappointed with the performance on consoles had that been my only option, but again it ran real well on PC. Aside from a few random crashes I played that game start to finish at 60 fps the entire time without any issues.
I believe it was Adam Sessler who compared GTA V favorably to Charles Dickens.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
MGS4 and its reception is the reason I'm staying well clear of 5. Which is probably a shame because there's every chance its a really good game.