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Gamespot: Our complete list of 10/10 reviews and how they're decided
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What the fuck am I reading.
OrlanisWorks
Banned
True that. One of the best gaming experiences I've ever had.
GTA IV is as well. So much better than GTA V, when it comes to multiplayer. Fuck you, GTA Online.
DannyDanger
Member
I feel like ppl go out of there to hate on mgs4
Net_Wrecker
Member
The hype surrounding GTAIV and MGS4 was way, way, way too huge, and I'd like to think we're better for having lived through it, being able to look back at how ridiculous everyone was. GTAIV in particular plays terribly on foot which is a huge part of that game, before even getting into the multitude of other issues and all the missing features from San Andreas. Yeah, every review is an opinion piece, blah blah whatever, but on no planet in no galaxy in no universe do I think GTAIV is a 10. MGS4 isn't as insane, but that's still not a game worthy of a 10/10 IMO, and at least half of the game failed to live up to all that manic pre-release hype.
Damerman
Member
Man, people make me want to say that mgs4 is the best mgs out of spite... But then i become lucid again and i remember the cosmic miracle that mgs2 is.
SolidSnakex
Member
The problem is that many people felt the game as a whole wasn't asfun. As in it really wasn't fun to do things outside of missions (and even some of them weren't fun) because Rockstar tried to build things to be grounded in comparison to San Andreas. The quote i'll always remember from Rockstar about GTA4 is when they said that they wouldn't include bicycles in the game because they didn't think Niko would ride one. That said a lot because it showed they were valuing making the world believable in their eyes in some way over just giving the player as many tools as possible to play around with like they did in SA.
The difference between GTA5 and 4 in terms of content and fan reaction couldn't be more different. You really never hear people complaining about how well GTA5 scored. And it sits at one point less than GTA4 on Metacritic (97 vs. 98). That's because it went back to more of a SA philosophy in the sense that anything goes as long as it's fun. The grounded shit went out the window with GTA4. It's no surprise that GTA5 and SA are the two best selling games in the series.
10/10 is more than just gameplay.
timetokill
Banned
Do you mean you picked up OOT3D on day one?
Because the rest of your comment doesn't make any sense otherwise.
Strictly talking review scores, to this day I am absolutely baffled at how GTA IV got perfect 10's in general, it was such an obvious step back from GTA SA not long into the game, and blatently obvious it was a shell of a game after you completed it, it was also when my eyes were opened to the likes of IGN's hype bullshit and when I started to forgo gaming websites and use Neogaf for impressions on games.
MGS IV is a weird one for me, yes I loved all 5 Acts, but the last 3 acts were less the MGS that we were accustomed to, the first 2 acts were absolutely sublime though.
MGS IV is a weird one for me, yes I loved all 5 Acts, but the last 3 acts were less the MGS that we were accustomed to, the first 2 acts were absolutely sublime though.
Naw, not at all. From the moment the game hit the masses people were slowly realizing the hype wasn't real.
The story wasn't as great as advertised, the gunplay, while slightly improved, still wasn't great and lagged behind many games even at that time. Character movement borders on frustrating. The world itself was alive but it was small and the level of sandbox was a step back. The fun factor definitely took a dive.
Then you have the game design flaws like the mission restarts which were still archaic In the way failure set you back sometimes up to 15 minutes and a bunch of filler. Or the nauseating cell phone shit. It was a good game but not flawless.
In retrospect you can tell it was the first step for rockstar in a new era and they were just getting their feet wet. Both RDR and GTAV were superior games in retrospect. In some cases vastly so.
You know, MGS4 was a pretty flawed game, but at the same time it ended Solid Snake's story in the most perfect way possible. I wouldn't blame anyone for giving it a 10/10.
Journey is a really fun and unique game. I don't think it's a 10, but there's definitely something special about it and I think it deserved the attention it got.
Bayonetta 2 is incredible. I'm currently replaying Devil May Cry 4, this time on PS4, and it's just not the same. Definitely the best game in the genre in my opinion.
I never felt that Grand Theft Auto IV deserved such high praise. I like the series, but I generally feel it's very overrated. I think V is my favorite game, but I don't even think that is a 10. Fun game though.
Super Mario Galaxy 2 is probably the perfect example of a 10/10 game in my mind. It just did so many things right. The creativity and variety in the level design is through the roof. It definitely deserved it.
Journey is a really fun and unique game. I don't think it's a 10, but there's definitely something special about it and I think it deserved the attention it got.
Bayonetta 2 is incredible. I'm currently replaying Devil May Cry 4, this time on PS4, and it's just not the same. Definitely the best game in the genre in my opinion.
I never felt that Grand Theft Auto IV deserved such high praise. I like the series, but I generally feel it's very overrated. I think V is my favorite game, but I don't even think that is a 10. Fun game though.
Super Mario Galaxy 2 is probably the perfect example of a 10/10 game in my mind. It just did so many things right. The creativity and variety in the level design is through the roof. It definitely deserved it.
meanspartan
Member
I think GTA 4 suffers from revisionism. I remember when it was out, everyone was playing it, and most people loved the shit out of it too.
It was only when I started using Gaf that I discovered it's "cool" to trash the game.
It was only when I started using Gaf that I discovered it's "cool" to trash the game.
SolarMystic
Member
Ah that 10/10 GTA IV review. Never understood that. After trying to complete IV on 3 separate occasions, I just went back too San Andreas.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
No, it was all right there in front of you. I don't see why anyone would have to do leaps and bounds.
As much as I love Ocarina of Time, calling it a perfect game--at release or today, either one--is a gross exaggeration. Groundbreaking, iconic, a masterpiece, but perfect? Nah.
I think a lot of the same can be said about GTAIV--not perfect, and time has revealed as much (quite faster in GTAIV's case) but at the time of its release it was a big deal. I understand where the love came from even if looking back I've grown to love the game a whole lot less.
I think a lot of the same can be said about GTAIV--not perfect, and time has revealed as much (quite faster in GTAIV's case) but at the time of its release it was a big deal. I understand where the love came from even if looking back I've grown to love the game a whole lot less.
Of all the games I played in the list, I'd say GTAIV is the only one that doesn't deserve a ten. It was fun and the attention to detail was amazing, but the end product was still kind of dull in comparison to previous games and not very fulfilling. I'm not even going to get into the narrative dissonance. I'd say MGS4 deserved it, just about. All I know is that I loved it and had way more fun with it than GTAIV.
How About No
Member
Review scores are something I find super-goofy, and the race to a 10 is pretty meaningless. But LOL I didn't even know MGS4 got a 10. Fr Srs?
[paraphrasing heavilly]
"A 10 for Chrono Cross? Alright, another perfect game then."
"Wait. I didn't say it was perfect."
[paraphrasing heavilly]
"A 10 for Chrono Cross? Alright, another perfect game then."
"Wait. I didn't say it was perfect."
The games that deserve the 10 from the list from release are
Orcania of Time
GTA IV
Journey
Metal Gear Solid 4 is my favorite game on the list
Chrono Cross
Bayonetta 2
The games that don't
Super Mario Galaxy 2 - it's a great game but it's far from deserving a 10
Witcher 3 is overhyped and I don't really think it deserves to from the bit I played of it.
Orcania of Time
GTA IV
Journey
Metal Gear Solid 4 is my favorite game on the list
Chrono Cross
Bayonetta 2
The games that don't
Super Mario Galaxy 2 - it's a great game but it's far from deserving a 10
Witcher 3 is overhyped and I don't really think it deserves to from the bit I played of it.
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Deleted member 471617
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Personally, I don't think that any game deserves a 10 because to me, it implies that it's perfect in every way and that's simply impossible which is why sites and magazines always state "perfect score does not mean it's perfect and without flaws"....hmmm, then why are you giving it a 10??? Sorry but it makes no sense at all.
Doctor_Thomas
Member
GTAIV never deserved such high scores coming off the back of San Andreas. A step back in every department, bar graphics and physics.
ninjablade
Banned
I'm still trying to understand how you could think this, to each his own, the game's graphics are beyond dated.
Lion Heart
Banned
Its fitting that MGS is the only franchise with multiple 10's on the site. If one franchise deserves it its this.
I loved Crono Cross and MGS4, hopefully I love MGS5 as well. GTA4 as a game really pushed my patience to the limit, I ended up hating the game when it was all said and done.
I loved Crono Cross and MGS4, hopefully I love MGS5 as well. GTA4 as a game really pushed my patience to the limit, I ended up hating the game when it was all said and done.
I was pretty blinded by hype when GTA IV came out. Even when I couldn't force myself to sit down and enjoy it, I was still convinced it was a 10/10 game.
I've finished it like two times since, and in retrospect, it's a 7.5 or 8 at most.
GTA III and San Andreas will always be my 10/10 GTA games
I've finished it like two times since, and in retrospect, it's a 7.5 or 8 at most.
GTA III and San Andreas will always be my 10/10 GTA games
Monocle
Member
SMH at the people saying Bayonetta 2 didn't deserve a 10. As though any action game in this whole generation besides DMC4SE (maybe) and The Wonderful 101 can remotely compare to everything it offers.
Bayonetta 2 has a handful of relatively minor downgrades to the original's mechanics, but to make up for it you get a far, far, far more consistent set of levels, stripped of the countless little annoyances from the first game. Bayonetta 2 is streamlined for replayability, so feature-rich it almost makes the original look sparse, and packed full of bonus content and smart design touches that improve the experience.
The ideal Bayonetta game would have the original's mechanics and the sequel's exceptional variety and consistent quality and absence of unnecessarily punishing features like insta-death QTEs. As it stands, Bayonetta 2 is easily one of the top five stylish action games of all time. It could be twice as flawed as it is, with half as much content, and still deserve that 10 because its base design is so good.
Bayonetta 2 has a handful of relatively minor downgrades to the original's mechanics, but to make up for it you get a far, far, far more consistent set of levels, stripped of the countless little annoyances from the first game. Bayonetta 2 is streamlined for replayability, so feature-rich it almost makes the original look sparse, and packed full of bonus content and smart design touches that improve the experience.
The ideal Bayonetta game would have the original's mechanics and the sequel's exceptional variety and consistent quality and absence of unnecessarily punishing features like insta-death QTEs. As it stands, Bayonetta 2 is easily one of the top five stylish action games of all time. It could be twice as flawed as it is, with half as much content, and still deserve that 10 because its base design is so good.
A lot of fans reject Cross for various reasons but I believe it got better reviews.
GrantDaNasty
Member
Definition of "Garbage" may vary here, I did not take any enjoyment in the actual gameplay of Chrono Cross. I beat it because the bits of the soundtrack I had heard I wanted context for, and ultimately, I wanted to know how it tied into Chrono Trigger, if it even did.
I'll make it clear one more time: At no point during the 40+ hours I spent playing it, did I ever enjoy *playing* it. I meant what I said.
The combat in The Witcher 3 is mediocre at best. which is not surprising after The Witcher 2. ( actually at least sword animation was better in witcher 2)
The combat in DD is godlike, but everything else is boring sadly.
That's not it at all, if you played GTA SA and then you jump straight to GTA IV, you will find a shocking lack of things to do in the game in comparison and this was back in 2008, and a massive portion of Liberty City is unused that gets more love via the DLC. It becomes blatantly apparent after you do all the story missions and you're left with what? Shooting pidgeons?
GTA IV is not a bad game, it just looks like it gets trashed compared to the hype that proceded it which is the crux of the issue.
Omotesando
Member
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time: 10/10
Soul Calibur (Dreamcast): 10/10
Chrono Cross: 9/10
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3 9/10
Grand Theft Auto IV 4/10
Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots 6/10
Super Mario Galaxy 2 8/10
Bayonetta 2 8/10
The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt 5/10
Journey (PS4) 8/10
Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain.....
Gamespot had two of em right. smh.
Soul Calibur (Dreamcast): 10/10
Chrono Cross: 9/10
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3 9/10
Grand Theft Auto IV 4/10
Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots 6/10
Super Mario Galaxy 2 8/10
Bayonetta 2 8/10
The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt 5/10
Journey (PS4) 8/10
Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain.....
Gamespot had two of em right. smh.
zero shift
Banned
I still don't understand how Bayonetta 1 has better mechanics than 2 outside of not having Urban Climax. But you are right that Bayonetta 2's flow is amazing. Its like no matter where you put it down you come back to what would other wise be the crescendo of any other quality game.
CambriaRising
Member
Weird that they feel they need to justify this somehow.
The review of the original Deus Ex is amusing. They give it an 82 and complain about the graphics and dark industrial environments, seemingly missing the point of the game along the way
DannyDanger
Member
What are the complaints tho? Obviously every game has flaws. But its different when everytime somebody says mgs4 was amazing the reaction is "overhyped, etc, etc"
Pyramid head
Banned
I can go with this.
Bayonetta 2 is an amazing game and improves on the original in some areas, but the original is still a better game overall. Better weapons, better bosses, Hang On/Space Harrier sections are shorter in B2, which most people would agree is a plus, but they're almost so short as to be completely pointless and they manage to be less fun to play, no crappy underwater sections or flying sections and most importantly, no Loki.
You guys have to realize that a game's review score should be relative to the year it was released in.
I think Final Fantasy 6 is a solid 9/10, but compared to 2015 AAA games it looks like a cheap indie browser game.
Likewise, you can't criticize GTA IV for being worse than V when V wasn't out when IV was released (duh).
I think Final Fantasy 6 is a solid 9/10, but compared to 2015 AAA games it looks like a cheap indie browser game.
Likewise, you can't criticize GTA IV for being worse than V when V wasn't out when IV was released (duh).
More like an 11. Kasavin was bursting in that video review.
People here were down on GTA IV a long time before V came out.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=378850
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=485658
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=329251
sixteen-bit
Member
lol that SC passage is condescending af
I read the Chrono Cross justification to see if they were telling the truth in the headline. They did not. The article is bullshit without telling the real story on how it got a 10/10.
Jeff Gerstmann told the story several times as to why it got a 10/10 and it was even linked here. I was kind of hoping they would come clean providing me a reason to check the rest of the list out. If they can't be honest with CC then I can't be bothered to continue reading.
Even though this is my favorite game of that gen I acknowledge it as a guilty pleasure because it is not perfect, which is what 10/10s should be.
Jeff Gerstmann told the story several times as to why it got a 10/10 and it was even linked here. I was kind of hoping they would come clean providing me a reason to check the rest of the list out. If they can't be honest with CC then I can't be bothered to continue reading.
Even though this is my favorite game of that gen I acknowledge it as a guilty pleasure because it is not perfect, which is what 10/10s should be.
gamerforever
Banned
Well gta 4 strikes me as the most incorrect score out of the bunch. Thps3 was amazing, from the controls to the levels to the awesome soundtrack!
I do feel a 10 should be a game close to perfection in its genre and not full of too many bugs and glitches, so the witcher 3 shouldn't really get a 10, but it is a solid 9 for me.
At the end of the day they are opinions, but official reviews shouldn't be that far away from the games real quality, which is why i find the score incredible for gta4.
I do feel a 10 should be a game close to perfection in its genre and not full of too many bugs and glitches, so the witcher 3 shouldn't really get a 10, but it is a solid 9 for me.
At the end of the day they are opinions, but official reviews shouldn't be that far away from the games real quality, which is why i find the score incredible for gta4.
JaseMath
Member
It is. And it should be on that list.