GamingTech - A Very Poor LCD Display / No Real HDR Support Switch 2 HDR, Tested On Display And In Docking Mode

GigaBowser said:
they think cry on switch forum thread they will stop sales and aaa game OOHOOHOOHOO

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Keep moving goalposts… sure buddy ;).
 
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After the "new" novelty starts to wear. 100% this screen is not as good as the Switch 1 OLED.

I just did a round of MKW on my switch 2. It's far from the og switch LCD screen. It still looks great and really pops... But then jumping to my Steam Deck OLED it's like wow, yeah OLED is king.

Should I have waited for the Switch 2 OLED? Nah... Just upgrade when it comes out 🤷‍♂️
 
Everyone else has said it's a great LCD panel but the issue with all edge lit LCDs is that they don't offer true HDR (regardless of nits you need local dimming).

I think I'll be happy with the LCD but let's be real, the Oled revision with all of these HDR games is going to be the definitive model.
 
Banjo64 said:
the Oled revision with all of these HDR games is going to be the definitive model.
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Yes, there is nothing wrong with offering an improved revision. What pisses me off a tad is to almost see potential being intentionally held back in a very apparent fashion as it risks making selling a revision model more difficult…
 
Soo.. those with an LG oled, BOTW + Black Stabiliser set to 7 = chefs kiss. Just enough to get rid of the overly hazy look and gives the whole presentation a lot of punchiness.
 
Banjo64 said:
Everyone else has said it's a great LCD panel but the issue with all edge lit LCDs is that they don't offer true HDR (regardless of nits you need local dimming).

I think I'll be happy with the LCD but let's be real, the Oled revision with all of these HDR games is going to be the definitive model.
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No one is saying it's a great HDR display. And if they are, that's fine, but they're just wrong. It's objectively a terrible HDR display ranked against those metrics, and that's not even hyperbole.

But yes, thankfully the roots are planted for future displays which can handle HDR, and those will look great, much like docked mode on a more capable HDR display would.
 
Minsc said:
No one is saying it's a great HDR display. And if they are, that's fine, but they're just wrong. It's objectively a terrible HDR display ranked against those metrics, and that's not even hyperbole.

But yes, thankfully the roots are planted for future displays which can handle HDR, and those will look great, much like docked mode on a more capable HDR display would.
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Except Every hands on preview at switch 2 events from outlets like digital foundry said it was a very good LCD display?
 
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Banjo64 said:
Except Every hands on preview at switch 2 events from outlets like digital foundry said it was a very good LCD display?
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Being a good LCD display and being a good HDR display are two different things. It can be a terrible HDR display - like 1/10, and still be a good LCD display.
 
Schmendrick said:
Holy shit... It can't get any more stupid than this.....
This is standard screen calibration tech and there absolutely are general standards/goals for the metrics involved,
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🤦‍♂️

My reply was in response to someone who was criticizing the OP. Which I responded to, agreeing with him that OP is wrong, and expounding on that thought by also pointing out that gotcha YouTubers have replaced actual media coverage. Which is a fact, by the way. Not an opinion.

Aaaand here you are only reading my reply without any context other than that which you bring with you. And we all know what they say about assuming. Didn't your parents teach you that? Surely they covered off on that. It's really a life lesson.

Last point I'll make… The only salient comparison for the Switch 2 screen, knowing it's an LCD, is to directly compare it to OG Switch. Any other comparison is completely useless, makes no sense, and does no good at all. As a successor to Switch, using an LCD panel, one must use the Switch 2 LCD predecessor as the primary point of comparison.

I look forward to those comparisons that show how terribly made the Switch 2 screen is.
 
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Minsc said:
Being a good LCD display and being a good HDR display are two different things. It can be a terrible HDR display - like 1/10, and still be a good LCD display.
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As has been mentioned countless times since April 2nd, LCD panels are not great at HDR. This was previously known and is thus, no surprise. We get exactly what we knew we were getting as of April 2nd. It's certainly better than no HDR at all, I have to point out. 🤷‍♂️

And again, if you're using the OG Switch as the point of comparison, which you should be, then let's discuss and dissect the differences between the Switch 1 LCD panel and the Switch 2 LCD panel. That's a comparison that makes sense. That is reasonable. That is useful. That helps illustrate to those who haven't yet purchased a Switch 2 but owned a non-OLED Switch what they can expect.
 
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tr1p1ex said:
All nonsense. Screen looks great.
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Compared to Switch 1 LCD this is absolutely true. I am fully satisfied. I wouldn't have paid $549 for a Switch 2 OLED anyway, even if the option existed, but glad for the time being they are focusing on just the OG and the MK bundle.
 
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Shaki12345 said:
Stuff like this makes me reconsider cancelling my preorder and just wait for the OLED.

I can still cancel it and buy a PS5 Pro.
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Do what you want, who cares? It's your money.

But the concept of waiting 3-4 years for an upgraded model is…ooof. Quite the wait, number one. And second of all, what on earth does PS5 Pro existing have to do with a Nintendo system? It's not like you have other choices if you want to play new first-party Nintendo games. So that's just a really odd thing to say.
 
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Dr. Wilkinson said:
As has been mentioned countless times since April 2nd, LCD panels are not great at HDR. This was previously known and is thus, no surprise. We get exactly what we knew we were getting as of April 2nd. It's certainly better than no HDR at all, I have to point out. 🤷‍♂️

And again, if you're using the OG Switch as the point of comparison, which you should be, then let's discuss and dissect the differences between the Switch 1 LCD panel and the Switch 2 LCD panel. That's a comparison that makes sense. That is reasonable. That is useful. That helps illustrate to those who haven't yet purchased a Switch 2 but owned a non-OLED Switch what they can expect.
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Why would I compare to LCD Switch 1 when I own the OLED Switch 1? That's what I can choose to play on right now, for games that run on both devices. Of course, performance will factor it as well, as does screen size, but would you not compare OLED Switch 2 to LCD Switch 2 when the OLED refresh releases in a few years and someone asks what version to buy? It will definitely have a better display, in almost every area. Black levels, response times, motion clarity, HDR, color accuracy, and so forth. Sites like rtings.com which judge displays cover like ~20-30 different aspects, and the OLED Switch 2 will be better in almost every single one.

I am disappointed in all my LCD devices equally, don't worry. I'm not separating out the Switch 2 from the rest when it comes to their shortcomings.
 
lifa-cobex said:
I mean yea of course. It's your cash and I'm sure you worked hard for it.

It just comes across as quite an excessive amount to put into a gaming console.
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I pretty much only spend money on myself for gaming and 4K blu rays. I make good money, but I still drive a 25 year old car, have an 8 year old phone, don't drink or go out often.

Edit: I also have a bunch of kids and bought stuff so we can all play together.
 
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Minsc said:
Why would I compare to LCD Switch 1 when I own the OLED Switch 1? That's what I can choose to play on right now, for games that run on both devices. Of course, performance will factor it as well, as does screen size, but would you not compare OLED Switch 2 to LCD Switch 2 when the OLED refresh releases in a few years and someone asks what version to buy? It will definitely have a better display, in almost every area. Black levels, response times, motion clarity, HDR, color accuracy, and so forth. Sites like rtings.com which judge displays cover like ~20-30 different aspects, and the OLED Switch 2 will be better in almost every single one.

I am disappointed in all my LCD devices equally, don't worry. I'm not separating out the Switch 2 from the rest when it comes to their shortcomings.
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It makes absolutely no sense to compare an OLED panel to an LCD. That just seems flatly absurd, on it's face. And what possible comparisons are there to draw that aren't already known? Very odd.
 
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The way people were talking beforehand, I expected the screen to be Steam Deck levels of bad. It's not. It's one of the nicer LCDs I've seen.

Though it's still an LCD, and I am MISSING those deep blacks. :(
 
Dr. Wilkinson said:
It makes absolutely no sense to compare an OLED panel to an LCD. That just seems flatly absurd, on it's face. And what possible comparisons are there to draw that aren't already known? Very odd.
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So when the Switch 2 refresh releases, for the sake of argument, with an OLED panel, there's no reason to draw any comparisons to the Switch 2 LCD one for someone determining which to buy? I don't see why you can't compare panels - or at least acknowledge flaws in the current panel that wouldn't exist in the OLED one.
 
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Dr. Wilkinson said:
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My reply was in response to someone who was criticizing the OP. Which I responded to, agreeing with him that OP is wrong, and expounding on that thought by also pointing out that gotcha YouTubers have replaced actual media coverage. Which is a fact, by the way. Not an opinion.

Aaaand here you are only reading my reply without any context other than that which you bring with you. And we all know what they say about assuming. Didn't your parents teach you that? Surely they covered off on that. It's really a life lesson.

Last point I'll make… The only salient comparison for the Switch 2 screen, knowing it's an LCD, is to directly compare it to OG Switch. Any other comparison is completely useless, makes no sense, and does no good at all. As a successor to Switch, using an LCD panel, one must use the Switch 2 LCD predecessor as the primary point of comparison.

I look forward to those comparisons that show how terribly made the Switch 2 screen is.
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You managed to top the pure stupidity that the first posting I responded to was. I did not think that possible.
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clarky said:
Yeah because there is nothing but objective facts on youtube.

Of course it matters.
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Because sensors change their readings depending on the first name of the person operating them....
That is one incredibly... incredibly stupid take...
 
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Killer8 said:
I have it in my hands now and I think the video is an over-reaction.

I'm sitting here comparing the Switch OLED with the Switch 2 side by side using identical game screenshots found on the eShop. What jumps out is how shite the color accuracy of the Switch OLED actually is. It's got a strong yellow tint to everything and you only realize how wrong it actually looks when compared to the more neutral Switch 2.

Black levels are much better on OLED for sure, LCD is never going to beat it in that regard. But it's also not terrible, not nearly as bad as the original Switch or Steam Deck LCD (one of the worst screens I have ever used).

I will keep my Switch OLED around for games like Fatal Frame which are basically in pure darkness. But seeing the colors side by side, I prefer the Switch 2 overall for most other games.

I also use a 450 nits QD-OLED monitor for PC gaming and find that level of HDR brightness perfectly adequate there even if it's not considered "real HDR". I stopped paying attention to 4K TV brightness wars when I got my LG C1 and at a supposedly paltry 800 nits thought "holy shit this is insanely bright" when played in a dark room.
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Maybe the Switch 1 OLED screen is calibrated with white balance level close to 6500K so that's why it has yellow tint?
 
Switch 2 has an edge lit lcd, of course it's HDR sucks in portable mode. No edge lit lcd in existence can display HDR right. I mean they can still display SDR content great, but it's just not happening in HDR.
 
Panajev2001a said:
Yes, there is nothing wrong with offering an improved revision. What pisses me off a tad is to almost see potential being intentionally held back in a very apparent fashion as it risks making selling a revision model more difficult…
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The OLED was gigantic for Switch, it made people double buy systems and made sure the Switch sold tens of millions more and made Nintendo billions.

So yes, I agree it sucks that its pushed back for business purposes, but I would do the same if I were Nintendo. Its just too effective.
 
newtypepilot said:
just double dip in a couple of years. It's so simple!
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That's the plan for sure! Just imagine if they release a Pro version instead of just a refresh. OLED display + docked 4K 120hz VRR capable w/ CPU boost on top for improved framerates on the VRR.

Then I'd need to buy 2 instead of just 1! Wouldn't want to use the LCD one permanently docked then, like the Switch 1.

I do really think the refresh should capitalize on both ends at a minimum - the handheld crowd with OLED, and the docked crowd with VRR support, even with no power bump, that would turn heads.
 
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It would be silly to skip out on a bunch of great games for 4yrs just for a slightly better screen. I used to play GBA with a damn worm light. Compared to that, Switch 2 is like future alien technology from a different dimension.
 
kpopSuperstar said:
The OLED was gigantic for Switch, it made people double buy systems and made sure the Switch sold tens of millions more and made Nintendo billions.

So yes, I agree it sucks that its pushed back for business purposes, but I would do the same if I were Nintendo. Its just too effective.
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Ok then let's call it a shit decision from the consumer perspective.

HDR screen was one of the factors that made people swallow the higher price of the console and it is something that, if you want proper colours display, you should disable in handheld mode… sigh…
 
Minsc said:
I do really think the refresh should capitalize on both ends at a minimum - the handheld crowd with OLED, and the docked crowd with VRR support, even with no power bump, that would turn heads.
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It would be nice to have in a refresh sure, but especially the VRR for docked mode… I find it hard to be gleeful about something shittily done / intentionally crippled with the current release to make the revision down the line appear worth more money…

It was completely reasonable to expect a scree that was in no way worse than Switch OLED.
 
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Surprising to see there is still so much graphics whoring around a device that is not centered around graphics at all.

I have an OLED tv, yes it's nice but did it blow my mind versus my LCD tv? Not really. I have an ultrawide monitor, did this significantly change my gaming experience? It's nice, but nah.

The quality of the content, that is what makes 99% of the difference. Yet, pages are filled fighting over minute difference. I guess 'if it bleeds, it leads,' holds true, people like it too much to whine on something.
 
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Don't know this guy, but far more reliable sources (Digital Foundry) said its pretty impressive for a LCD display, so I guess this guy is just sad that we didn't get an OLED model and try to get more clicks by speaking negatively about it.
 
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Boneless said:
Surprising to see there is still so much graphics whoring around a device that is not centered around graphics at all.

I have an OLED tv, yes it's nice but did it blow my mind versus my LCD tv? Not really. I have an ultrawide monitor, did this significantly change my gaming experience? It's nice, but nah.

The quality of the content, that is what makes 99% of the difference. Yet, pages are filled fighting over minute difference. I guess 'if it bleeds, it leads,' holds true, people like it too much to whine on something.
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I think it is only happening because hardcore Nintendo fans kept shouting it is on the level of ps4 Pro based on cherry picked screenshots.

The reality is that without the DLSS, it would just be a Switch 1 pro.
 
CityHunter1981 said:
Don't know this guy, but far more reliable sources (Digital Foundry) said its pretty impressive for a LCD display, so I guess this guy is just sad that we didn't get an OLED model and try to get more clicks by speaking negatively about it.
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He did show pretty well why you are better disabling HDR in portable mode and that is as much of an "oof" moment as you could ask for 😂. John, on his social account, was posting some pretty damning image retentions business.
 
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