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Ghost in the Shell's ending spurs new accusations of even worse whitewashing
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Really people?! Scarlet is famous world wide. An asian actress would never call the atention of people in latin america. This is businness. Famous actors and actress make it easier too call the attention of the public. Get over it.
The movie was pretty good, but the screenplay was mediocre.
The movie was pretty good, but the screenplay was mediocre.
The fact that ScarJo's paycheck for this movie will likely be more than week 1 box office sales means that the business you're talking about is bad business, a losing gamble, and should be the thing the farthest from the norm.
SuperStiltzkin
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I'm not engaging with anyone who calls Jeff Gerstmann a fanboy and terrible journalist for not loving Zelda.
What's your race
I honestly think if they went the route of having a commentary of beauty standards being based on white women, that could've been nice
PatThePassive
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In early threads about this I was saying they could work this whole thing as that Motoko being in a white artificial body could be a commentary about the preception that white is more desirable or marketable.
We get shady corporation rounds up homeless Asian children and puts them in white artificial bodies with no payoff for it.
They chose to try and use ScarJo for star power (and she looked like a cool Motoko, none of Motokos character tho) over getting an Asian american actress(which may be for the best, the movie was a "meh" at best and could hurt their career)
We get shady corporation rounds up homeless Asian children and puts them in white artificial bodies with no payoff for it.
They chose to try and use ScarJo for star power (and she looked like a cool Motoko, none of Motokos character tho) over getting an Asian american actress(which may be for the best, the movie was a "meh" at best and could hurt their career)
Again, the problem is Asian star never given a lead role to break the cycle, even when a movie based Japanese anime based on Japanese manga set in Asia city centered around Japanese cyborg was greenlighted
"It's a business so they can do whatever they want to make money."
I wonder why latin america is being brought up here all of the sudden. Even the "wait until it crushes the Chinese box office!" defenders don't give a hoot about Latin america.
Just because the movie hasnt been well received, it doenst mean that its scarlet faults.
Do you really thinks that a movie with asian actors only would be easy to market in latin america?! In australia, spain, africa or russia?!
Oh, and the american people who lives on small cities who only seen other americans and dont have contact with imigrants? Good luck selling star wars with french people and brazilian actors.
Did you write this post based on our whitewashing BINGO card from Asian-GAF?
Be honest.
not sure about that font
IMACOMPUTA
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Hahaha
SuperStiltzkin
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Yeah, you're a super awesome child with a super awesome opinion on an internet forum for videogames. When you have a proper business and money from other people which you are responsible, give me your super important opinion.
I was running my Poe's Law recognition program before you replied to that post
Seductivpancakes
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I'm never going to give up on my complaints about the lack of diversity in Hollywood. Especially when the opportunity was this ripe.
This is like the most childish post I have ever seen on Gaf.
Felicity jones is a white american/britsh. Its her movie. And diego is pretty Famous! As the rest of the cast.
If you wanna compare not main role, ok. Ghost in the shell has a super bad ass japanese kind of guy as chief.
SuperStiltzkin
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My opinions are all over this thread. Take a read. I'm not gonna re summarize all my thoughts on someone who clearly isn't interested in social issues just because "there's worse things going on in the world."
FinaruDensetsu
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I'm just glad we already got the awesome Kenshin movies which are about 100x better than GITS. Can you imagine if Hollywood had gotten that? Ugh.
Like, come on Hollywood, we have an actual Tokyo Olympic happening, you can't make this shit up. Clearly a sign from Almighty.
If this had been a white character recast with an Asian actress, the studio would've been lauded for minority representation and encouraging diversity. However, when it's the other way around it's seen as problematic?
And before people pile on me, I would've preferred an Asian actress but Scarlet was completely fine in my opinion.
And before people pile on me, I would've preferred an Asian actress but Scarlet was completely fine in my opinion.
Yes. Because one gives an underrepresented minority their due while the reverse is just maintaining the status quo (of racism and prejudice).
See: Idris Elba as Heimdall
Why would it not be problematic?
UnemployedVillain
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I can tell you don't understand the issue at all. One is a case of removing potential roles from constantly underrepresented and historical panned groups, the other is attempting to challenge the status quo, and actually allowing minorities to play characters that aren't written specifically for x minority group
ronaldthump
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what is this post? Did you post without even bothering to read anything?
Specifically, GITS had a japanese female as its lead. And the celluloid ending didn't help.
Corronchilejano
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What a weird point to make. Care to source this?
They should've just used Hikaru Utada, I bet she would've done the roll simple and clean.
https://images.khinsider.com/2013 Uploads/10/utada_hikaru.jpg
https://images.khinsider.com/2013 Uploads/10/utada_hikaru.jpg
That makes the both of us. I'm so lost now.
Atraveller
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Why can't white people say nigga?
Gully State
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We have plenty of instances where a movie has bombed despite white star power yet we've never had a single one bomb with an Asian American lead due to its nonexistence.... yet the latter is always accepted as gospel and not given the chance to prove otherwise while the former gets a pass every single time..
I have no idea what this is supposed to refute. You weren't talking about the main character - you were talking about the entire main cast (also I have no idea why you're mentioning why they're famous or not, it's like you're just posting talking points that you're suddenly remembering).
You were saying that having casts that had diversity in them would be difficult to market to small-town Americans. Rogue One didn't use French people or Brazilian actors. But it was marketed as an ensemble cast made of a white woman, a Mexican, an Arab-English, and two Chinese. They had an easy enough time selling it to those Americans who you deride as having only seen other Americans. It only had the highest gross of any movie last year, after all.
And besides, your original point is a strawman: no one in this thread wants the movie to be exclusively Asian. Seriously, point me to someone who said that.
Conveniently, whenever "star power" bombs, it's never "star power" fault.
But we know Asian American lead would never work because where's the "star power"????
You don't see how its a problem to take away an opportunity for a non white person to have her time to shine in an industry where white people are considered the standard for heroic roles?
Take a few steps back and see the forrest rather than this tree.
Atraveller
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And so decreed ajjow, king of all minorities. No minorities shall ask for proper representations in media ever again.
It is, again, pretty funny because the controversy (besides the original controversy of the book itself) came more from the Chinese side, and how dared Zhang Ziyi and Michelle Yeoh act as Japanese in a WWII setting, Japanese people again didn't care that much, Zhang Ziyi was a huge star at the time, bigger than many Japanese actresses, and also very famous in Japan itself. The movie bombed anyway, even when it was actually recieved well in Japan.
Japanese people seem to not care that much, or at the very least they do not show it, which is a very Japanese thing to do. The controversy is always from outside, which is problematic, or would be, if they actually cared, they really don't, people want to be offended for another group of people pretty much just because.
BocoDragon
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I really liked this movie.
Unfortunately the worst part of it is the "whitewashing excuse" subplot.
It's like they tried to cover up their biggest flaw IRL with the biggest flaw in the plot.
Unfortunately the worst part of it is the "whitewashing excuse" subplot.
It's like they tried to cover up their biggest flaw IRL with the biggest flaw in the plot.
It seems like its in the same space as "she breathes through her skin" as far as status quo apologetics.
"She's Japanese in her shell."
Feel free to disagree about the merits or demerits of the casting in this particular film, but don't act like people aren't making legitimate points about Hollywood's treatment of Asian actors.
If you think that GITS isn't the right kind of avenue for that criticism, that's understandable. But dismissing all criticism as people being offended "just because" is really myopic.
SuperStiltzkin
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Why would Japanese people living in Japan care about Asian representation? They live in a country where it is 99% Japanese and the remainder is partly Chinese and Korean. They live in a country where they can turn on the TV at any time on any channel and see a Japanese people on their shows, their movies, their news, their music, everything.
Japanese citizens don't understand the frustration of an Asian American living in America growing up with white dominated media.
SuperStiltzkin
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Nope
Oh yeah, you're the person who complained about those insecure uppity Asians preventing you from see more Anime movies.
EdibleKnife
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I'm not going to shut up about it so... Despite how desperately people want to decry it, people and businesses create an issue out of diversity where there doesn't need to be one. Hollywood needs to try harder and brushing off the issue with the racial ambiguity of a character named Makoto Kusanagi is letting them off the hook. Particularly when the very movie in question clumsily does make the Major's ethnicity a major plot factor. All this clumsiness and hoop jumping can be solved if minority actors were given a chance to shine.
Did you actually watch it? I not just the headline? Like pretty much everyone hating​ on this movie atm
The same guy did a epic break down of the original.
https://youtu.be/l9v8FzQ2btg
FinaruDensetsu
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Native Asian people generally don't make noise about this or make noise about much of anything. It's part of our culture, part of how those of us who were born and raised in the East are taught. Keep your head down, try not to offend people and just worry about yourself.
That doesn't mean nobody cares. As you can see the majority of the criticism comes from Asian-Americans because once we come to the west and grow up here we naturally assimilate and are influenced by the culture here, which says that it's not only OK to speak your mind, but an admired quality.
There's a reason why when you often ask Asians what their impression of Americans is one of the first things they're likely to say is that they're "loud".
Yeah, that... can piss off.
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