Great? I haven't really thought about LA Noire since I have finished it.
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Great? I haven't really thought about LA Noire since I have finished it.
Yeah, I was quite surprised when the last time he mentioned it on the Bombcast he described it as "a mess" (or something to that effect) on consoles at launch, whereas I recall them all being quite impressed by it when it came out.
Yeah. Variety helps, and there is a certain quest late in Novigrad where the consequences are mutually exclusive to outcomes in Skellige.
OdysseusVA
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So when was the last time you played it? October 2014?
Do you no longer go back and play the same missions over and over again in hopes of phat loot?
So when was the last time you played it? October 2014?
Hmmm May 19th this year, House of Wolves release date. My thoughts basically are the same as Jeff's on the bombcast back around that time.
So when was the last time you played it? October 2014?
Until they stop repeating the quests or at least make them interesting then I won't be back. It is a console shooter, so gunplay feels "not good" to me, therefore it isn't a driving factor in that game, neither is loot.
I will find a boat as soon as I finish the bath house mission (if another quest doesn't get in the way that is...)
Sleeping Lesson
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So when was the last time you played it? October 2014?
I love these sort of suicide questions where someone expects a particular answer, and then somebody calls their bluff. Let's see what happens next!
TheMrPliskin
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Great? Eeeehhhh.
So when was the last time you played it? October 2014?
So if I say I think destiny isn't a very good game are you going to just ask me the last time I've played it? Pretty solid argument
Sleeping Lesson
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See, the thing is... LA Noire was a game tailor-fucking-made for me. I was destined to love it. There aren't a lot of people I recommend it to, though.
Fella would probably pop his top if he knew I haven't played more than 5 minutes of Destiny.
Freedom = $1.05
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La Noire is my adventure game version of Bioshock Infinite: An amazing first 5-6 hours and then it peters out and the last 10 hours of the game are not really enjoyable at all.
People that say Destiny changed into some amazing game after the last two expansions are full of shit. After Gamescom I leveled up a Hunter to 20 because I really enjoyed the TTK mission I got to play. I would like to push my light level further but now it turns into a grind again. They might have slightly sped up the grind but it's still totally there. The amount of repetition you encounter during the grind is of course also not great, especially not if you have another character with which you went through all that already. I think my Titan is level 32. I have hopes for TTK but I am not going to blind buy it. I really need to see that all the missions are as good as the demo I played and that they made the progression more fun.
Put a lot of time into that expansion then, didn't you?
Yes, because that's obviously an important factor. Destiny is a different game now to the one it was last year. It's gone through lots of updates and the expansions have only made things better. The Taken King is shaping up to be fantastic.
TheMrPliskin
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It's honestly worth just stopping after you complete the homicide cases, the game goes into a fast decline after that.
LA Noire is so unique and it tried to push some boundaries that it definitely deserves a sequel, it would probably be a lot better, too. Just like Metal Gear Rising (rip)
Not only that, but the oppressive mediocrity of it somehow lead to way too many long and samey discussions about the how-and-why of Destiny in a way that doesn't really happen with other games and I never understood that. Also I'm part of it by expressing that.
i have! but i've also been studying and diving deep into noir theory these past few months. even before that, though, i reminded myself of it every couple weeks or so and wishing there were more genuine detective games like that
sorry, did i say great? i meant to say fantastic
i dunno, i would argue it's a very respectable attempt at making an open world adventure/detective game of which there aren't a lot, and imo it nails all that stuff. but yeah, obviously there's also personal appeal that is responsible for the high reverence i hold for it
Yah, with the added benefit that this bridge builder is superior to the last one he played.
Freedom = $1.05
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being defensive and combative about your favorite game ever isn't the way to try and appeal to those who aren't quite as into it as you are. It comes off as being a bit insecure about the whole thing
I suggest you watch this 30 min video. It will allow you to indulge in the "greatness" of LA Noir.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Begu2lXc-AI
To note, it is also an interesting video even if one doesn't think LA Noir is great.
TheMrPliskin
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You used to be cool daydream.
That is something I agree with, but LA Noire is still not great.
Sleeping Lesson
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Me too! As much as I dislike Destiny, I sure bring it up a lot.
I love noir fiction. Movies, detective novels, the whole shebang. I have never in my life heard the term "noir theory".
Probably means genre theory and specifically noir. Totally something you might talk about in Film Studies. I know I have.
Sleeping Lesson
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Ah, yeah. I took some film studies courses in college and we looked at genre theory. As I recall, the common consensus was that Noir is not a film genre, but a thematic and cinematographic style.
Yeah, that sounds like what our conclusion was as well. Then I also thought genre in general is kinda bullshit, especially when I tried to apply some of the theories to games.
Piston Hyundai
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the cool part about destiny is that it's one of the top ten most expensive games ever made and phantasy star online 2 has way more interesting combat and much more content
Gozer the Gozerian
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You mean like... Novigrad? I feel like it's the perfect example of what you're describing, for an openworld RPG it is massive, but incredibly detailed with all the interiors etc.
if this is aimed at me, i didn't mean to come off as defensive or combative, at all
i really do love the game but i remember reading accounts of people's playthroughs and the trouble they were having with stuff like the investigations, reading suspects during the interrogations, the ending, etc. and i totally see where they were coming from
it just clicked with me, i didn't run into any of those problems and found the ending portion to be very expertly executed, one certainly can't accuse the team of a lack of noir connoiseurship, that stuff was very cool without being derivative
Sleeping Lesson
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Yeah I agree with that. Worrying about genre is a silly thing.
It clicked with me too. Once or twice a year I install LA Noire and play through a few cases. I think the overarching story was pretty stilted at times, but the individual cases are fucking great.
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well it really was directed at the destiny defense force but i suppose it can be applied to all
stump sock
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most of what people consider "genre" is actually "style" anyway. there's just not a real necessity to try to realign the general population's vocabulary.
We were not talking about the general term though, but the way it's used in academics. The way it's generally used it's fine. It's a shortcut to sum up what kinda to suspect. Genre in academics I just came away with as being really dumb.
stump sock
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that's the kind of funny thing about higher education in general. the more you learn, the less likely you are to nitpick things because you learn that nothing is concrete and it doesn't matter.
grammar pricks are almost certainly never language majors because they haven't learned the futility of grammatical structure
yup, it's that. although as you've both already pointed out, the majority of theorists have long moved past the 'genre' classification for noir, treating it as more of a transgeneric phenomenon, as well as a certain style (like SL said) and historical movement, even as philosophy of sorts. books from andrew spicer are essential reading in this regard if you wanna keep up with recent developments, although, as always, going through the research history is a worthwhile way to go, just to understand how complex the field really is. a consensus is certainly not on the horizon.
thanks, will do!
let's not get into genre theory, lol. talk about a theoretical discourse that is as necessary as it is superfluous.
and i disagree btw but i also don't really care
That "Fuck Bridges" replay killed me.
Totally. You also learn how theories might change over time or can become outdated, but can still be used for valid points.
Totally. You also learn how theories might change over time or can become outdated, but can still be used for valid points.
stump sock
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once you learn that you can prove that double negatives in speech don't always become a positive - and are frequently grammatically correct as an exaggerated negative - you both question your choice of major and life decisions in general
arhra
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Well yeah. There could be a part of MGSV where the screen goes black and David Hayter says "Fuck you, Dan Ryckert, you ignorant backwards piece of shit." over and over again for an hour and a half and Dan would still put it as his GOTY.
I think Fallout will take GOTY from Witcher, if not that then MGSV.
I don't see Witcher making top 3 instead of Fallout, MGSV or the number 1 of Super Mario Maker.
TheMrPliskin
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I said it yesterday but it deserves to be repeated, GOTY discussions are going to be great this year. We've already got a number of candidates for discussion and there are still a bunch of games due out.
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