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Giant Bomb #15 | Just a Clip-On Tie
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Kojima just has a history of objectifying women and the Paz thing in GZ seems to have been the tipping point for many. Paz gets raped (again) but this time by Chico (who was forced to do so) and then she's rescued but wait hold on her vagina is loaded with a backup bomb. And all of it is handled with the grace of a bull in a china shop.
I'm really looking forward to the internet exploding at god knows what Kojima has in store for Quiet. Because i sincerely doubt that he's finally going to figure out this whole women thing given his long history of being terrible at it.
I'm really looking forward to the internet exploding at god knows what Kojima has in store for Quiet. Because i sincerely doubt that he's finally going to figure out this whole women thing given his long history of being terrible at it.
I would argue that Patrick was close to that kind of over the top reaction every time the game was brought up. I think it's a pretty terrible scene, obviously, but it didn't overshadow everything else about GZ for me.
The problem wasn't just that scene, but the combination of her abuse that happened during captivity.
Maybe, but I didn't remember the GB guys reacting on that level. It's pretty easy to see what the problem with the scenario is though. When you're presenting such serious concepts and events, the details and subtleties is what makes an impact. So when Kojima tries to push it a step further with the bomb, it feels hollow and tacky. That detail doesn't actually add anything to the scenario and it was clear that it was something he thought of that would be shocking. I think that lack of restraint will likely hurt the narrative as it continues into TPP as well.
Yeah, I get that that whole storyline was problematic.
But there is a difference.
Jeff: doesn't like a thing and explains why. Does it in a uniquely funny way. People get mad that he doesn't like what they like and that's dumb.
Dan: literally admits he dismisses numerous things for no other reason than he doesn't understand them. Getting mad at this is also dumb, but getting bored/tired of it seems pretty reasonable. He's shown that he's a more interesting person to listen to when he gives something the time of day and forms an actual opinion on it, positive or negative.
That is an important distinction. I'm not mad about it. I often don't know of or really care about the things that dan is like "That's dumb, that's a dumb thing". It's just he does it every time. Every time!
I think probably the finale of Metal Year Scanlon has overexposed me to Rykert for a little bit.
I think probably the finale of Metal Year Scanlon has overexposed me to Rykert for a little bit.
Piston Hyundai
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Isn't the bomb what causes Big Boss' nine year coma?
stump sock
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the thing about Kojima's writing is that the people who praise him and those who criticise him are both right because frankly his writing is all over the place across the board. it's super easy to pick and choose examples in those games that will support any standpoint if you want them to.
frankly I've always enjoyed the inconsistency. the fact that he can make me genuinely emotional and then turn around and do something completely idiotic is pretty hilarious.
weirdly my biggest problem with it is that that whole thing is such a trope in japanese storytelling that it stands out to me more as lazy than gross. "woman being raped or under threat of rape" is the contra code for "inserting emotional impact" in japanese fiction. it's awful on a systemic level, but on an individual level it's just... lazy.
Sleeping Lesson
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You're not wrong. In fact, what you just said there is far more insightful than anything Patrick had to say ("It's problematic ostensibly!") on the topic.
Ok that's kind of a cheap shot.
I'm talking about
the bomb being planted in her vagina specifically.
I wouldn't say that Jeff's rants about stuff like Nights and Yoshi are very well explained. It's mostly boils down to it being dumb and not something he likes, said in a very hyperbolic manner. And I agree with you that it's pretty reasonable to get tired of it if Dan is just dismissive of shit he hasn't played, I'm more talking about the reaction to their Half-Life Unfinished and stuff like that.
Piston Hyundai
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Devil's advocate: Wouldn't they catch it if it was planted anywhere else surgically, thanks to the scarring and all that?
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
As a person who first got exposed to giantbomb with the blazblue quick look trust me.
He didn't come across any different than Dan did.
Patrick could write some really interesting stuff when he cared enough about a topic, but he was still a news guy first and foremost. That's one of the things I like about Austin, he seems more eager to dip into the editorial side.
Jimmyfenix
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if you just have the save of GZ you will get a "bonus"
but they confirmed if you rescued some prisoners across the main mission and side ops you can use them for motherbase in TPP
stump sock
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hah, I saved them all. the most fun I had in that game was piling them all into a jeep and driving to freedom.
I failed so many times before pulling it off
e: wait, that means I'll have Kojima in my base? sweeeet
the reason Nights sucks should be self-evident
The Dear Leader
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Let's just all stop arguing and admit that Jeff and Dan are the worst parts about Giant Bomb. Sound fair?
Also Drew is really doing well on Ground Zeroes, clicked with him way quicker than MGS4 did.
Also Drew is really doing well on Ground Zeroes, clicked with him way quicker than MGS4 did.
Jeff sucks.
Jimmyfenix
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hopefully they have high stats to use in motherbase. If not they will be fish food.
While there's some logic to it, I'm sure Kojima could have come up with a similar scenario that didn't sound so absurd when spoken aloud.
The Dear Leader
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I'm not going to play into your avatar quote bait!
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Nah, I love Jeff despite him hating a lot of the things I love.
I can see why people can get really aggravated by Dan, but considering the reasons why they find him annoying are inherent in giantbomb already I just find it sort of irrational? Not that there's anything wrong with it. Humans are inherently irrational creatures. Also of course tone does actually matter.
I can see why people can get really aggravated by Dan, but considering the reasons why they find him annoying are inherent in giantbomb already I just find it sort of irrational? Not that there's anything wrong with it. Humans are inherently irrational creatures. Also of course tone does actually matter.
I was kinda thinking about that.
That Kojima stuck the whole thing in a tape instead of putting it directly into the cutscene demonstrates either vague restraint or an editor or someone in oversight who told him "We're not going to put the word '
vagina
I haven't listened to the tapes yet though so I don't want to comment too in-depth.
Nah, I love Jeff despite him hating a lot of the things I love.
I can see why people can get really aggravated by Dan, but considering the reasons why they find him annoying are inherent in giantbomb already I just find it sort of irrational? Not that there's anything wrong with it. Humans are irrational creatures after all. Also of course tone does actually matter.
I think it's just purely overexposure on my part... Jeff being hyperbolically dismissive of something is a relatively rare event, but Dan does it more often (usually not to the same degree of hyperbole, but more often nonetheless).
Piston Hyundai
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but yoshi's island really is a disappointing sequel to super mario world
it's a fine game and all but it has none of what was great about the supposed predecessor
it's a fine game and all but it has none of what was great about the supposed predecessor
It's kind of absurd that one of the main collectables in the game is recordings of war atrocities, it's an odd disconnect
They're certainly confronting to listen to, though I'd also say some of the performances feel overly wordy after what the characters have been through. And don't get me started on Skullface!
Jimmyfenix
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If anyone wants to look up on how to unlock the bonuses in TPP from GZ IGN surprisingly has a detailed guide for it.
http://uk.ign.com/wikis/metal-gear-solid-5-the-phantom-pain/Ground_Zeroes_Save_Transfers?ign_app_ios=
Anyways, Quick Look: Volume. Looks cool, but maybe a bit shallow? I dunno.
this is debatable.
the tape cuts out before anything happens, and then goes immediately to chico telling skull face where mother base is.
i always interpreted that as he'd rather sell out big boss than do that to paz. in peace walker, he actually saw paz tampering with metal gear zeke and didn't tell a soul because of his crush on her.
Piston Hyundai
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It's a Metal Gear Solid game, so of course they do. Half of the conversations between two characters that are already aware of what's going on still go out of their way to explain shit to the player.
Yeah the reaction to their half life thing was bewildering.
Yeah early gb jeff was often no different, but he's changed a lot in that regard and become more open to different games/opinions over the years. Even if something isn't for him he doesn't (always) label it "for crazy people" anymore. I remember being mildly offended when he said that about fans of the Witcher 1 back then
Jimmyfenix
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The Editor kind of makes up for that. Someone recreated the dock from MGS 1
Okay, that's pretty awesome.
This game does otherwise feel like it's moving away from that slightly, perhaps only due to Kiefer but it was still a tad distracting to hear such a wordy conversation between two character when otherwise it had mostly been tips from Kaz. It was no Big Mama cutscene at least.
I am very curious about that game. I should get a review code, but Mike said the PSN codes will not be there in time for release. Also like already mentioned, I bet there will be some crazy stuff coming out of the editor.
TheMrPliskin
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I don't think that's a fair thing to say, most people view the bomb thing as an overall representation of the abuse the character goes through in GZ and that's worthy of criticism.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Yeah the reaction to their half life thing was bewildering.
Yeah early gb jeff was often no different, but he's changed a lot in that regard and become more open to different games/opinions over the years. Even if something isn't for him he doesn't (always) label it "for crazy people" anymore. I remember being mildly offended when he said that about fans of the Witcher 1 back then
I kinda feel like he does still say that some things are for crazy people but I just laugh. There's just something about the dude that's always funny to me. Not like I find him weird funny, like I just love his style of comedy.
The Editor kind of makes up for that. Someone recreated the dock from MGS 1
why did they take a picture that way. couldnt bother getting up or zooming in?
I've come around on the codec-being-radio-hit-a-button thing since it allows for slightly more contextual calls. But I wonder if that means the goofy random calls will be excised completely (somehow I doubt it), or how they're going to do them just in tapes... and I really miss Snake talking back to mission control. Silent snake is just... unnerving.
Maybe intentional, but still.
Maybe intentional, but still.
he doesn't want Konamis lawyers on his ass.
Did anyone ever find the button call that useful? Maybe I did in my first run but I don't think I ever used it outside of that. I guess in an open world with a larger variety of situations it might be more useful.
GIFing opportunities have been weak too. I refuse to acknowledge his GB status until I've got something to work with.
Sleeping Lesson
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Quick Google search
I find more pictures of Dan in my Google search of "Austin Walker" than pictures of Austin.
WHAT IS HE HIDING??????????
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