nckillthegrimace
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I think "That's it?" is going to be a popular sentiment, and I'm not just saying that because I view the world as a joyless quagmire. Being a big openworld isn't enough anymore.
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I think "That's it?" is going to be a popular sentiment, and I'm not just saying that because I view the world as a joyless quagmire. Being a big openworld isn't enough anymore.
I think GAF is getting to you. GAF might've turned on Bethesda and will probably call Fallout 4 the worst game of the year, but GB by and large hasn't. They all seemed pretty positive on the reveal trailer.
Disagree, but we'll have to wait and see. I think it will depend on whether Bethesda has evolved their style in any way or not.
I've heard it's damn-near unplayable, not sure if they patched it yet.
Ran like butter on PC though!
GB tends to not care if a version doesn't perform well, as long as it's not the version that they played.
Remember they gave GOTY to Skyrim, after all.
Yeah, I have some weird gut feeling about Fallout 4. I can't quite put my finger on it, it just seems super iterative, like it's checking all the boxes of a numbered sequel (which isn't a bad thing per se). We've heard the standard "this is our biggest world yet", and "the script is this many pages" stuff, but the game itself just looks...like Fallout 3. Which again, isn't a bad thing, but I'm anxious to see what aspects of it end up wowing people.
I feel you. I already didn't care much for Skyrim and like Witcher 2 way more that year. I bet I will enjoy Fallout 4 but like you say it seems iterative and it doesn't look like they are fixing some of the big problems I have with their design.
Sleeping Lesson
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That game will be lucky to come out in 2016 let alone this year.
I'm realizing that many of us are already feeling this way. Witcher 3 and MGSV raised the bar (in different ways) for open world games. I'd love to be wrong, but I'm tempering my expectations for Fallout.
My top fear for Fallout 4 is that they'll ignore all the strides forward New Vegas made because it wasn't their game. But NV was 10 times the RPG Fallout 3 was.
Either way, I have it pre-ordered on PC and even if it comes out as a mess modders will fix it.
I think the main game I see getting ignored come GOTY time is Her Story. Such an incredible experience, but I don't think anyone on the West Coast even played it.
Either way, I have it pre-ordered on PC and even if it comes out as a mess modders will fix it.
I think the main game I see getting ignored come GOTY time is Her Story. Such an incredible experience, but I don't think anyone on the West Coast even played it.
He also seemed to think the beta for BO3 was a step down.
I also liked AW a lot, and prefer it to what I have played of BO3.
I think Jeff might put it in his own to 10 (maybe somewhere near the bottom) but I don;t think it will be in the Giant Bomb top 10.
War Peaceman
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Ugh don't remind me.
However the PS4 version being crap probably means that most others won't end up trying it. It was also hurt by releasing around MGS.
Quality doesn't sell games, big statistics and numbers do.
stump sock
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I really hope it's not just more of the same, even though nothing they've shown has indicated otherwise. Still, I thought skyrim was just more of the same and played 100 Damn hours so
skLaFarebear
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Things have changed a lot since the last open-world Bethesda game came out. Being a big open world isn't enough anymore like it was for Skyrim. FO4 is gonna need to do much more than FO3 did to be considered GOTY, especially this year where Witcher 3 and MGSV went way beyond just being open-world games.
I guess it might do enough to be in the 10 if its just a bigger and better 3, but not much higher unless they really does some great stuff with its world.
I would be very suprised if I prefer Fallout to TW3, I feel like it will be the opposite for the GB crew.
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If tw3 didn't do anything with its open world then no game has done anything with its open world.
I just think people are underestimating how much they all liked Fallout 3 and Skyrim, and overestimating how much it matters that Witcher 3 and MGSV and whatever has evolved the open world genre. Bethesda games are their own thing to such a big degree, and as long as it's not just Fallout 3.1 I think it's a lock for at least a top 10. They haven't turned on Skyrim and Fallout 3 to the degree that GAF has, and seems excited about more Fallout. We'll see I guess.
skLaFarebear
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I mean if its going for crazy, its gonna have to compete with JC3.
Except the games that used the open world to create multiple approaches to a situation and ones where the world could dynamically change and effect the outcome of how you went about doing the mission. Even GTA 3 did that in 2001. Witcher 3's open world was 'go to place, kill thing, go to other place'
Wow, CDPR put lost treasure blips on their map. So revolutionary. And NPCs on a schedule? Wow. Someone tell Nintendo
Wow, CDPR put lost treasure blips on their map. So revolutionary. And NPCs on a schedule? Wow. Someone tell Nintendo
Sleeping Lesson
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Now that's just not fair. Areas have their own local culture, landmarks and ruins have their own unique stories and history, monsters have territory and lairs.
I'm not saying the game redefines the genre, but let's not be reductive.
skLaFarebear
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You have a point. Most people's opinions of open world gaming have changed since the days of FO3 and Skyrim, but I know Dan has said a few times that he still really enjoys those games as well as the rest of the crew.
I don't like speculating much for a game that's not even out so all this could be pointless anyway.
Yeah sure, but I generally feel like a lot of people on GAF think that the gaming public (if that's a thing) view Bethesda games in a much more negative light than they actually do. Threads about Bethesda games on GAF are filled with drive by posts and are generally extremely negative, while Skyrim continues to be one of the most played games on Steam and a top seller. Bethesda releases so few games that I think a lot of people will be okay with Fallout 3.5 even if the genre has evolved.
Also, since WItcher 3 didn't have a huge impact on most of the GB staff, whatever that game did to the open world genre probably passed them by.
EmCeeGramr
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I can foresee a possible filibuster in which Brad argues that Fallout 4 still has that intangible Bethesda "keeps track of a million useless items" Magic that gives it a pass for all of its obvious failings, but the others argue that open world games have taken such strides that it's not that impressive or special anymore.
Or not. Who knows.
Or not. Who knows.
avengers23
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Surely, Brad saves the filibuster for Destiny.
BUNTING1243
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I'm going to start worrying about Fallout 4, I was really worried about Arkham Knight and MGS5 and they both ended up being amazing.
Completely different games.
I hope they do something good for GOTY videos.
This was their best feature they did.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkrG8dU3vBQ
This was their best feature they did.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkrG8dU3vBQ
shadyspace
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Roomies was better.
Can't wait for Brad's argument for Destiny over The Witcher.
I thought they did these videos every year.
Glitchesarecool
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Wow, this is really well done.
CoolBatteryCharge
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I saw my second vape rig out in the wild today. Both in the last five days. All of a sudden I'm noticing people using them. They both looked kind of like Will Smith
of Tested dot com.
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stump sock
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what
I see several every day. we have vape shops in like every other strip mall. and I live in the suburbs...
If Fallout 4 can justify the existence of every single bit of minutiae and detritus with an excellent, well-laid out, robust crafting and customization system then I'll eat my hat.
Not counting mods of course.
CoolBatteryCharge
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I have no idea. I only started seeing them when I started going back to campus this semester.
tryagainlater
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I ask myself this every day.
TheMrPliskin
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Fallout 4's reception is going to be interesting considering the fact that the Witcher 3 and MGSV came out this year. I don't expect it to be seen as a terrible game but I don't know that the Bethesda style open world will be enough for that game.
Seriously, they are everywhere. I love when they try to break them out in class and hide the mushroom cloud of smoke.
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I still think that FO4's worst enemy isn't MGSV or TW3, it was Fallout New Vegas. The game really opened up the fallout 3 open world in such a way that anything less from FO4 would be a hell of a disappointment.
Knowing what they're doing with their dialogue system already, I'm not going to be shocked if the reception for FO4 isn't as hot as some expect.
Knowing what they're doing with their dialogue system already, I'm not going to be shocked if the reception for FO4 isn't as hot as some expect.
BUNTING1243
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This year and last year were my two favorite GOTY video weeks. I hope this year is good!
I'd be so much more excited if Obsidian was developing 4
TheMrPliskin
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Except most peoples memory of New Vegas is from launch when it was a buggy mess. New Vegas is easily one of the best RPGs ever made yet it seemed to go ignored for the most part when it released and when it wasn't ignored most people seemed to be talking about how buggy it was.
heheh yeah, I was thinking that too. I hope its not.
Freedom = $1.05
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well we can't old FNV's feet to the buggy fire when we're talking about the possible issues that a new Bethesda game might have and not do the same to them.
Fallout 3 GOTY on the PS3 remains the buggiest, most broken piece of shit i've ever played in my whole life. no hyperbole, it was utter garbage
I bet you a thousand spacebucks that Destiny: TKK gets the number 10 minimum spot barring any technical catastrophes.
Glitchesarecool
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because I expect Brad will try anyway
AuthenticM
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stump sock
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new vegas had the best kind of bugs
also it had a bug where the facial animations somehow ate up all available ram and dropped the game to like .5 fps whenever a character was on screen. and then if you toggle some random option in an ini file, it fixed itself with no apparent change to the game
also it had a bug where the facial animations somehow ate up all available ram and dropped the game to like .5 fps whenever a character was on screen. and then if you toggle some random option in an ini file, it fixed itself with no apparent change to the game
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