Ok I will get into this discussion. It's not about how much content is there or that this one mission has been cut. If you look at the story it is very disjointed. Also the real ending is just thrown together and still leaves story threads hanging. This is not how a story should be structured, nor is it how any other Metal Gear game has handled it. That's why people say it's unfinished. It seems like they finished the mechanical part of the game, but at some point Konami got tired of the expensive production of the remaining cutscenes. That's why the Truth chapter is what it is and there are so many tapes which should have been cutscenes at some point in the game.
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Ok I will get into this discussion. It's not about how much content is there or that this one mission has been cut. If you look at the story it is very disjointed. Also the real ending is just thrown together and still leaves story threads hanging. This is not how a story should be structured, nor is it how any other Metal Gear game has handled it. That's why people say it's unfinished. It seems like they finished the mechanical part of the game, but at some point Konami got tired of the expensive production of the remaining cutscenes. That's why the Truth chapter is what it is and there are so many tapes which should have been cutscenes at some point in the game.
Piston Hyundai
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The issue for me with the cut mission is that it is pretty obviously meant to be the climax of the game from a gameplay perspective, as opposed to Mission 50.
I agree. I loved all of MGSV, both the gameplay and the story. I never felt unfulfilled in any way. In my opinion it's a great game and a great Metal Gear game. I thought it was well done.
What would be worse? Watch Tower or that?
Glitchesarecool
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You mean with the spoiler tag? Yeah he spoilered it just like he was supposed to.
stump sock
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oh definitely that. I've never met a Witness as pushy as a Scientologist
Sleeping Lesson
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I think I'm gonna draw the line at poking fun at non-scientology religions.
When I call the game incomplete, it has nothing to do with the material in the Collector's Edition. It's that the game utterly lacks closure in every possible respect, be it plot, emotional, or thematic. And even a cursory glance at chapter 2 makes it seem like a lot of story missions were simply missing. I loved the game and it would be a worthy GOTY winner, but even aside from the dumbness of the plot, it has deep, deep structural flaws.
stump sock
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to be clear, I'm not poking fun at the jehovah's witnesses. In my experience with solicitors, they've been polite and respectful of my complete lack of interest in talking to people that show up at my doorstep
None of those things suddenly make it impossible for a game to be unfinished. Getting 80 hours out of a game means it isn't incomplete? Lol.
The game is unfinished, it is a fact.
Sleeping Lesson
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Ah no I hear ya. Same page.
You're lucky. The ones I've met are polite, but utterly pushy, to the point I had close the door in their face.
"HEY RYAN. Did you know popularity leads to intimacy?"
That series was made so much better by the office being one big basement room that let Jeff drag everybody else into his descent into madness and anime.
This is incredible. Especially the teammates glitching forward after to add insult to injury.
I think I'm going to watch the best of endurance videos. I can't dedicate the time to watch through that whole beautiful thing again, but I really miss that ride.
I liked that episode where their power kept going out. Man it was so weird that their first office was down the block from where I used to play basketball.
No he didn't. I just figured it was a spoiler for the video not what I assume is an end game spoiler -__-.
How about add MAJOR STORY SPOILER just like everyone else?
Freedom = $1.05
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I'd believe you.
Guys, fuck Kingdom Hearts:
here's the easy answer:
you name it 2.8 because you already named something 2.5 and 3.0 is coming out
so what does that leave? 2.6-2.9
and if you want to do some sort of bundle of the PS3 remasters on the PS4 after this release? then you gotta reserve a number for that. And 2.9 was already outed by a Linkedin profile
Then all you have left is 2.6-2.8
and what sounds higher
there's your answer
Steiner makes more sense than Nomura. I bet he'd write a better story as well.
Sleeping Lesson
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Guys I consider myself a big Kingdom Hearts fan, but I couldn't tell you the story beyond the first game. It's not the draw of the games.
But now you can see the truth of it. It's the game titles that are the real appeal.
But now you can see the truth of it. It's the game titles that are the real appeal.
Puck Beaverton
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What a beautiful mess of a series.
KH1 was a fun game. Then I played KH2 and the story was fucking nonsense. That's when I gave up. Didn't even finish the game. That I made it past the beginning of that game is a miracle. I saw what came after that and now have zero interest to re-engage with the series except to make fun of it.
Piston Hyundai
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kingdom hearts was already the innovator of having math equations in its titles with 358/2 Days
TheMrPliskin
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I hope he never admits that Kingdom Hearts is nonsense. The commitment to the complete nonsense of those games is huge part of the draw for me.
Fact, is it? What sort of factual information do you have?
Freedom = $1.05
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I hope KH3 feels unfinished because i imagine the shitshow from that fanbase will exceed anything seen from MGSV
Sleeping Lesson
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Aw man, but KH2 is a fucking rad game. Yes, that is certainly when the wheels came off the story, but man is the gameplay and RPG parts super fun.
Freedom = $1.05
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the wheels came off the story as soon as someone sat in a room with a sketchpad, several belts, too many zippers and the attention of a capable human being with influence and the ability to make things happen and said "Disney meets Final Fantasy"
That's the moment you can put your finger on and say, yup, shit got fucked up right here
That's the moment you can put your finger on and say, yup, shit got fucked up right here
stump sock
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without naming names, I've definitely had that experience with other denominations, however.
you have to wonder what the conversion rate even is to make that still a thing that happens
That's the only one I've played and I enjoyed it. Donald Duck was great.
I watched my wife play the first one and remember the camera being awful.
A fine playing game, but the story nonsense was just way too off putting for me. There was just nothing to look forward to except more nonsense that infuriates me even more.
Sleeping Lesson
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Yes, camera was bad because it wasn't controlled by the right analog stick, something I've heard they fixed in the first HD collection.
Yeeeeah I guess I just accepted that the overarching story was not the reason I wanted to play those games. The first game actually has a pretty straightforward plot, though.
Totally. Like I said, I finished that one and enjoyed it. It just felt like they needed to fill part 2 with the worst anime bullshit.
TheMrPliskin
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I doubt it, KH fans are not nearly as crazy as MGS fans. If you want to look at Square's upcoming releases and hope for a shitstorm you're probably better off looking at FF15.
KH2 is pretty great, the stupidity ramped up to a beautiful level and they tightened up the gameplay. It's a bit on the easy side and it's most definitely not for everyone but if you take it for what it is it can be a really fun ride.
Sleeping Lesson
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Aahh you're reminding me how much better those games could be.
Exactly how I feel. I grew up Disney, and that shit goes a long ways in my enjoyment. But the Disney characters and worlds have been becoming less and less important. The core original characters + some FF cameos were well done in KH1, but those days of moderation are long gone.
What? The sneak button is one of the few good additions Assassin's Creed got in the recent years. It needs more stealth options. Hiding in crowds really isn't enough and how it was before with the auto sneak in bushes and high grass was one of the worst implementations of stealth gameplay I've ever seen. Playing stealthily in the AC games has always sucked.
They should also add stuff like hiding in plain side via costumes (kind of tried that with liberation but the execution was shitty) because the mission in Revelations where Ezio was dressed up as a bard is one of the best in the enire series but I'd be happy enough with a stealth system that works on at least a basic level. I like that they attempted a more sandboxy approach with Unity but as long as the core gameplay is so clunky that the best and fastest option is to just murder everyone you come across (and as long as it has eavesdrop/follow/insta fail missions) it's not going to fix the main problems.
Yeah I don't know why it needs to be so convoluted. A simple good vs evil storyline would suffice. That way the Disney fanservice would still be super enjoyable to me as well.
War Peaceman
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Imagine if kojima and nomura put out a game. imagine the story lines.
cloud, who actually is the clone of another SOLDIER for the purpose of creating a super genome army, is sent to inflitrate disney land which has grown unruly under the rule of king mickey. He gets to the end, slays mikey with a keyblade (that transforms into a robot, designed by the kid from UP) and pulls off the mask. the camera spins around him ,,,, YOU ARE THE GOOFY
cut to black.
I mean I've never actually played Kingdom Hearts but it is just Final Fantasy x Disney, right?
cloud, who actually is the clone of another SOLDIER for the purpose of creating a super genome army, is sent to inflitrate disney land which has grown unruly under the rule of king mickey. He gets to the end, slays mikey with a keyblade (that transforms into a robot, designed by the kid from UP) and pulls off the mask. the camera spins around him ,,,, YOU ARE THE GOOFY
cut to black.
I mean I've never actually played Kingdom Hearts but it is just Final Fantasy x Disney, right?
Mission 51 on the collectors edition.
What are you talking about? You're clearly repeating the existing KH story verbatim.
broncobuster
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Had Zelda Wii U kept the 2015 date it would surely surpass them all.
Kingdom Hearts sits at the intersection of Final Fantasy and Disney with the nostalgia of a teens-to-twenties fanbase growing up alongside it. While it is not facilitating crazy tendencies the way MGS does, there is plenty of crazy built-in to Kingdom Hearts.
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