I've never used grenades in MGS3. Drew really opened my eyes.
-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
Giant Bomb #16 | DO... DONK...
- Thread starter Myggen
- Start date
- Status
I've never used grenades in MGS3. Drew really opened my eyes.
The percentage meter for the camo was just that, if it was at 50% then there was a 50% chance that you would be spotted by enemies...what was hard to understand that?
BreezyLimbo
Banned
It wasn't a chance percantile. It was a radius. So 50% is like, let's say 10 feet, if they are within 10 feet they'll see you. There are different modifiers such as hiding in grass and what not, but it wasn't never a coin flip on whether they saw you or not.
My tolerance for stealth games at this point is 'If things go to shit, can I handle it?' and MGS and Splinter Cell were always the two that I said 'no'. I did finish MGS 3 and the first Splinter Cell, but I was a kid so it wasn't like I had work or other games to move onto. My patience was unlimited.
Im sure it was a percentage of being spotted, so if the camo was at 80% then there was a 20% chance you would be spotted. I have instances where i was wearing the brick camo and crouched down next to a brick wall to achieve 95% camo and a guard inches away from me walked right past me
Mister Negative
Member
if the number is higher that means it's better
i really never needed the methodology of the mechanic explained to me to get it.
I also vastly prefer the ability to hide in a wide open area like in 3 than having to hide around corners and such like in 1. That's why I think I'll prefer TPP to GZ so much, because GZ has a lot of 1-type hiding where you're just peeking around a corner, whereas TPP seems a lot more open and 3-like in its stealth applications.
i really never needed the methodology of the mechanic explained to me to get it.
I also vastly prefer the ability to hide in a wide open area like in 3 than having to hide around corners and such like in 1. That's why I think I'll prefer TPP to GZ so much, because GZ has a lot of 1-type hiding where you're just peeking around a corner, whereas TPP seems a lot more open and 3-like in its stealth applications.
Sleeping Lesson
Member
Hey do any of my fellow Austin-based gaffers want to go to a movie on Monday at 4:40? It's my birthday and I have nobody to go with!
The movie is Mission Impossible Rogue Nation.
The movie is Mission Impossible Rogue Nation.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
It was pretty much distance related. IE the same guard could pass by and not see you at 50%, and he would never see you until he got closer. It's not a coin flip.
War Peaceman
You're a big guy.
There isn't a random chance of being detected, it is a measure of how close the enemy has to be to spot you. The closer to 100% the closer they can get without seeing you. It is pretty obvious.
Sleeping Lesson
Member
Yeah I don't know why they got the idea it was "chance" based. 20% chance per what? Per second? It's very clear it's proximity.
Sleeping Lesson
Member
Baah! Work schmerk.
I'm quite alright with going alone, though, since it's the Drafthouse. Full meal + bottomless drinks + good movie!
Well exactly - why put it at a % then? If its clearly a radius and makes perfect sense as that, why throw in the wrench of having it put up a random %? What's an 80% camo vs -25%? Whats the standard radius that I'm multiplying this chance by? Why can't you just give me a number instead?
Also I find it hilarious that the guy lamenting Drew's playstyle also misunderstood how camo worked.
Yeah, unfortunately it's hard to find time to take off when your company is rapidly shrinking and closing around you.
I'd join you but I'm in Canada. You can come over if you want!
BreezyLimbo
Banned
If you have a -% that means that enemies can see you from even farther away. It's weird but...IT WORKS OK.
Sleeping Lesson
Member
% is a measure of distance in the Metal Gear world. It's because of the Patriots. Much like parsec and Star Wars. Also because of the Patriots.
They have literally been packing up cubicles and chairs to sell them off, while some staff suffers from a delusion that their job isn't ending within the next couple of months. On the plus side, nobody else gives a fuck about anything any more, so the stress levels are remarkably low.
They have literally been packing up cubicles and chairs to sell them off, while some staff suffers from a delusion that their job isn't ending within the next couple of months. On the plus side, nobody else gives a fuck about anything any more, so the stress levels are remarkably low.
If it was distance related then surely the closer a guard got to you then lower the camo percentage would drop...but this never happened, it only ever change depending on what your stance was, standing, crouching, or prone, it never ever change depending on the proximity of a guard, not once!. If this was indeed how Konami intended the camouflage to work then it was broken!
So this would suggest to was percentage based on how well you were camouflaged in your immediate environment!...may not have been intended that way but thats the way it works in the game the higher the camo rating the less chance of being spotted regardless how far or close an enemy is!
Yeah it makes perfect sense once you know its a specific radius and the % is a multiplier that increases/decreases the space where you can't be detected. It's utterly confusing that they dont just give you a measurement instead though, since this would solve most of the problems.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
What? No. The % meant a certain radius guards can see you. Like if you had 80% camo, let's say they had to be within 5 feet and looking directly at you in order to see you. Why would the guard being closer lower it?
Forget the whole 'Oh it's a coin flip the guard has a 50% of seeing you if it's 50%.' It's not like that.
Sleeping Lesson
Member
That must be bizarre. You have something lined up?
Not yet. We don't have a solid end date (though our CEO walking strangers around the halls today and saying "Our lease is up January 31" gives me a good enough idea) and if I stick it out there's a decent package from the company that bought us out, so I'm just waiting and procrastinating on panic.
We have the opposite problem where it's like we're constantly growing because the city we're set in is constantly growing, but we're not hiring enough people and so many people keep quitting because they get stressed out from the long hours/days away from their family from not having enough people in their department.
Konami should of used degrees instead of percentages then lol
Sleeping Lesson
Member
Weird. I wish you the best though. At least you have the benefit of seeing it coming?
Yeah, but the purchase happened last December. By May anybody paying attention realized our jobs weren't long-term, but they keep stumbling in the transition. An entire department was told they would be gone in June, then they were all given the opportunity to stay on to help move things over. They're still here but done in a few weeks. Their department's head is staying on with no team, and my department's head is leaving even though we're all staying. It's just a mess and I can't help but laugh at it most days.
In true Metal Gear fashion, the camo meter should have been a butt. The more exposed your butt is, the more safe you can feel. If you're fully hidden, you're giving the guards a full moon and they don't even know it. Risky area without any cover? Maybe just a little plumber's crack showing. You know it's there. They know it's there. But it's not so obvious that they're going to be weird and say something.
funkystudent
Member
Random creepy metal gear fact.
In MGS1 Meryl is only 18 and Solid Snake is in his mid 30's.
In MGS1 Meryl is only 18 and Solid Snake is in his mid 30's.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Kind of a Bond trope honestly. Mature secret agent paired up with women that definitely looks younger than him.
Panda Express is disgusting.
funkystudent
Member
The follwing 10 years after MGS1 where weird to Meryl. I guess she got into lifting between MGS1 and 4 or something.
I liked the early design she had in 4. It looks a lot more like the MGS1 / Twin Snakes / MGS2 Sub model. I wonder why they changed it.
I liked the early design she had in 4. It looks a lot more like the MGS1 / Twin Snakes / MGS2 Sub model. I wonder why they changed it.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Pandas Express is great.
Eh, honestly if she's leading her own unit as a Soldier, it makes more sense for her to be physically stronger.
The only things to be live streamed by GB (The Thursday night stream and Mario party) are already on the schedule on the site.
For non GB streamed but possibly filmed/streamed events I am aware of (times west coast)
Friday morning: Jeff is on the youtube stage show.
Friday morning: Beastcast is recording in front of an audience
Saturday 3.30pm: 404ing It: Breaking (Down) the Internet with Drew and Mary Kish
Saturday 8pm: Giant bomb PAX panel
Sunday 10am: PAX rumble
Yeah I meant to put streamed by GB.
Got it.
Given that when you first see Meryl in MGS, she is doing push-ups, it isn't surprising that she has shoulders. Her lack of physicality in the first game is probably due to the limitations of having polygonal tubes for arms.
funkystudent
Member
That is a much smarter way to look at that.
Its mostly the face change that was off putting and confusing since it was a completely different look.
Now I am wondering if Johnny's dad will be in MGSV. It was his grandad in 3 right?
Basileus777
Member
I actually like the design, she's a soldier and has been for a long while, giving her a muscular build makes perfect sense. Better that than the waifish look some of the other women were given in MGS4.
- Status