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Giant Bomb 18: Everything is always a surprise on some level
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one thing i think is interesting about fallout 4 is that i think they've gotten to a good balance with the 'you can't go in any fucking buildings' problem from fallout 3 and the 'there aren't actually any buildings really' problem in new vegas when making a ruined cityscape. boston downtown is a really good level of inaccessible buildings broken up with a lot of in-world accessible buildings and a couple of great setpiece buildings here and there.
So I'm helping Dan discover Iron Maiden on twitter (following a question on the live stream) and I just realized that youn Bruce Dickinson with long hair kinda looks a bit like Brad lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xg9aQvjMS60
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xg9aQvjMS60
That's kind of where I'm at. The top tier parts never ended up being worth it to me, so I can't say it really would've made my experience worse. It's still absolutely horseshit. I think MGSV is still my GOTY, but it's going to be hard to choose between it, Monster Hunter, Life is Strange, and Trails in the Sky SC.
The way they've handled the online FOB stuff on PC is way more egregious for me. That's been a problem since the begging and if anything is going to sour me enough to knock MGSV out of my top slot, it's that.
Most things done to the game after the launch should make the crew reconsider, but i still think it's going to be a top ten game.
It could be part of the most disappointing list simply to the volume of people raging about it that they at least have to consider it. I wonder if there are people upset about MGSV's perfect score at GiantBomb.
tryagainlater
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There's always people upset at every score at everywhere.
The Technomancer
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Oh there's no way it doesn't still make top 10. Hell, what else would even take second place? Most of the crew is more positive on Fallout 4 than it looks like they expected but even still
Yeah but I think it really bothers them from their position as professional critics. Jeff's reaction to the "conspiracy theory" that publishers are holding off on implementing things like these until after the reviews go live was pretty telling
Mister Negative
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Yeah, I expect Fallout 4 to hit around mid-list simply because nobody is disappointed with it. They all like it but so far, it doesn't seem like anyone feels strongly about it.
the game kind of is what everyone expected it to be, and I feel like that's rare for a release these days. It's almost like an assassin's creed release, except there was actual excitement due to the fact that they don't release a fallout game every year.
I'm loving the game, but I'm not having this visceral reaction to it like I had with TW3.
the game kind of is what everyone expected it to be, and I feel like that's rare for a release these days. It's almost like an assassin's creed release, except there was actual excitement due to the fact that they don't release a fallout game every year.
I'm loving the game, but I'm not having this visceral reaction to it like I had with TW3.
I was thinking Fallout as a mid-to-end list contender prior to hearing Austin's thoughts. I think he might get it pushed to Top 5. The console versions will keep it out of Top 3 I think, though.
nckillthegrimace
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Ruin it? No, but I think it's enough to unseat it versus a very close competitor for goty.
Until recently I felt like the experience Jeff and Dan were having with Mario Maker was unreachable for an average player like me because of how difficult it can be to get people to play your levels. But it turns out there are dozens of Mario Maker streams every day, most of which take viewer submissions. So the past few evenings I've been able to get around a dozen streamers to play a level and it's literally a game changing experience. As Jeff said in his SMM article a month ago, watching people play and enjoy and react to something you've created is fucking awesome, and it's rejuvenated my interest in making levels so I can watch people play them. It's what makes SMM a transcendent game.
Mister Negative
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Ah, I don't listen to the beastcast so I missed his thoughts. Anyone have a timestamp?
Or maybe I'll just listen to the cast while I play Blops 3.
I'd assume it's mostly smaller streamers, right? I mean, the experience doesn't change if the level you made is getting played by a large steamer or by a small one, and you'd probably have trouble getting your level played on a large stream.
But that's a really interesting viewpoint, and one I hadn't considered before. I think it would hold a little more merit if EVERYONE had the tools to be streaming Super Mario Maker, and could be on both ends of that viewer/streamer dynamic, but obviously that's one way to get your levels played.
Where SMM fails for me (as someone who hasn't played it, admittedly) Is that I simply don't find level creation very fun. I'm not a creative guy. My settlement in Fallout 4 is just some benches and some food so the people I have there won't get upset.
The main thing I'll say about the Witcher is that it kinda drags. Like... it takes a long time to do stuff.
Maybe it's a weird downside of everything feeling important. Everything was important, so it felt like the game's pacing was completely whack, because instead of your standard rise and fall of importance it was just all geralt all the time.
Maybe it's a weird downside of everything feeling important. Everything was important, so it felt like the game's pacing was completely whack, because instead of your standard rise and fall of importance it was just all geralt all the time.
Haunted
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I'm not a level creator guy, but I spent more time in Mario Maker's creation mode than any other game of that ilk, ever.
It's that deep familiarity with Mario mechanics over the last 20 years that makes it possible to have fun creating as well as playing levels. It makes the kind of Mario game possible that Nintendo could never create.
There's still room for improvement, of course. Yoshi's Island assets. Better community tools, better search parameters, the ability for world map design and "complete packages" to download instead of singular, disconnected levels.
But what's there is a pretty fucking great achievement.
Jeff would bust it down from GOTY to Most Disappointing in a hot second.
Yeah, native Wii U streaming functionality would've been a massive boon for Mario Maker.
I also don't consider myself the creative type and never expected to touch the level editor much, yet I've spent countless hours making stuff. It's incredibly addictive and satisfying.
Even then it could be hard to see it in the top 5.
MGSV and Mario Maker are a lock. That leaves for top 5 positions Undertale, Rocket League, Splatoon, Axiom Verge, Rise of the Tomb Raider and whatever else I'm missing,
Axiom Verge won't make Top 5. Only Jeff was super duper hot on it and it came out so long ago that it will probably get a bit forgotten.
The Technomancer
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I don't seem Tomb Raider either. Its in the same spot as Fallout 4 where people are enjoying it more than they thought they would, but no-one seems super in love with it, unless I'm forgetting someone
I think that top 3 is a lock, for sure.
What did the crew think of Bloodborne? I forget. I know Jeff doesn't care for it or any of the other Souls games, what about everyone else?
Twin Tails
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Mario Maker will be number 1.
nckillthegrimace
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They all liked it to varying degrees, even Jeff, though he stopped playing it. Seems like a solid middle pick.
I think Jeff's support is all a game needs to get a top 5 spot tbh.
That's exactly why it's competition for Fallout 4 and not above it. I always feel they've been talking about Tomb Raider in a more positive tone than they have Fallout.
OdysseusVA
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EdReedFan20
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Enough of them really liked Until Dawn to make me think it could sneak in. Crazy thing is neither Rocket League nor Until Dawn ever got reviews from them, yet either (or both) could still end up top-ten.
Yeah, I think Until Dawn has more than a fair shot to make it. The East Coast team, Brad, and Jason all liked it enough to get it on the bottom half of the list.
BreezyLimbo
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Guys some of the voice acting and writing is really good in Fallout 4. I love Piper.
Codsworth hit me in the heart multiple times. I can't let him go.
I feel like Austin's the only one who stuck with Galak-Z, did any of the rest of them really seem that enthused about it? I don't remember.
BreezyLimbo
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Twin Tails
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the forest moon of endor
Mister Negative
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Yo, you know what's great? The second campaign level of Black Ops 3. They're introducing you to all the future shit you can do now through the frame of you entering a simulation of a past terrorist attack, and events leading up to that terrorist attack. They put you in a past situation with all your new tech and are like "your new tech could have prevented this by doing this, and this, and this, but it took the real guys 2 weeks because they didn't have what you have."
The gameplay is fine, but the framing is just so neat. and I feel like the character interactions are pretty good too. It's so...black ops. If you don't plan on playing the game take a look at the level on youtube or something.
The gameplay is fine, but the framing is just so neat. and I feel like the character interactions are pretty good too. It's so...black ops. If you don't plan on playing the game take a look at the level on youtube or something.
EdReedFan20
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Are you sure you're not confusing it with Axiom Verge? He gave that a 5/5 review. I don't remember Jeff going as nuts about Galak-Z as he did with Axiom Verge (though he did seem somewhat receptive to Galak-Z early on).
nckillthegrimace
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Is it possible to gift someone a premium subscription?
Twin Tails
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nckillthegrimace
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Thanks.
skLaFarebear
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That's how I feel. So many games I loved this year (Trails especially has been living up to the hype I've been keeping inside since I've finished FC 2 years ago) that's its hard to choose, but I don't think I enjoyed a game as much as MGSV in a really long time.
I struggle to think of three games they've given more praise to than MGSV. There's Mario Maker, and... ?
Splatoon?
Didn't know anything about Amiibo Festival so I checked out the few reviews that are out right now. And oh boy, it gets torn apart in all of them.
Metacritic is at 35. It still could change when more reviews come in, but as of right now it is the worst reviewed game in Nintendo history.
Metacritic is at 35. It still could change when more reviews come in, but as of right now it is the worst reviewed game in Nintendo history.
BreezyLimbo
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Oh, yeah. I guess 2d games blend together for me.
skLaFarebear
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"the far superior Mario Party"
I don't think there's a bigger insult you can use to describe a party game than that.
I don't think there's a bigger insult you can use to describe a party game than that.
I spent way too much time making this for how unhappy I am with how it turned out.
Also the draw distance isn't far enough for me to be able to see it from the roof of my house like I hoped, or even to get a better sense of the ship.
I needed ~30 of the big generators.
We need a shitload of copper.
Not enough colors to do proper shading.
Also the draw distance isn't far enough for me to be able to see it from the roof of my house like I hoped, or even to get a better sense of the ship.
I needed ~30 of the big generators.
When Mario Party is described as "far superior" to anything then you know it's bad.
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