Sleeping Lesson
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Yep! That's more or less why I ended up not playing it. Someday, maybe.
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Yep! That's more or less why I ended up not playing it. Someday, maybe.
the currator pre-currator patch was abysmal. You had to check forums and shit to find good levels, otherwise you were stuck in a see of autoplay levels and 5 years old spamfest. Not including a good way to find levels in a game where 50% of the fun is playing other peoples level is really bad and shouldn't be pushed aside. It was also the way Jeff dismissed it that made people angry, I don't remember the exact phrasing but he did include the word stupid
ultimately who cares, but you know, cmon Jeff be nicer
I almost turned the sound off because I found the soundtrack so unpleasant.
Salty Catfish
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I'm glad I went into Undertale "clean." I read Austin's review, saw the positive buzz elsewhere, bought it without reading anything from the fans and really, really enjoyed it.
Nice one!
Glitchesarecool
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I'm sick of the GOTY stuff. I'd rather they put all that effort into something else. Ranking games is just so arbitrary.
dawg i can't imagine a more alien thought
I mean, has Undertale inspired a new idol group who're performing in front of large audiences? No. I think we know who won in the end.
Squid Sisters too good.
Sleeping Lesson
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The stuff I'm reading in here is so emblematic of what puts me off about the Undertale fandom. Hyperbole incarnate.
The rankings aren't the important part of those podcasts you know
In this thread, or on these forums in general?
Sleeping Lesson
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In general, but yes in here.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Thing is I don't really understand why Undertale got singled out for having a shitty fandom. It does, but so did anything in a really niche fanbase. Did people get turned off by the souls games because of its fanbase? It's kinda worse.
Glitchesarecool
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Undertale is a good game but you won't find me forcing someone to play it or declaring it's the greatest thing since sliced bread.
But the music is next level and I can think of so many other fandoms that are worse.
This was my experience. Generally speaking, invested fans of anything are annoying but I think these take the cake. Dark Souls super fans are similar.
I actually played it some time later and it was alright. The fan buildup definitely weighed in negatively in my reaction to it.
The true ending was actually kinda emotional, though.
The music is pretty good, better than Splatoon in my opinion (which I really didn't like).
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Hell, not even niche fanbases, just fanbases in general. Look at how people act in uncharted review threads. And that dumb cod vs battlefield YouTube war.
Eh. They both are bad and they both get the amount of shit they deserve. I do think the Undertale fans are way more obnoxious in terms of actively hunting people down that disagree with them and harassing them.
I mean, I had someone read my Undertale complaints on Gaf and they actually came at me on twitter and told me to kill myself. I've bitched about a lot of games with niche fanbases and that's the first time that's happened. Hell, I've bitched about Bloodborne plenty and no one has felt the need to come at me on twitter.
Sleeping Lesson
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A bit, I guess? I don't think I could point to any particular reason Undertale's fanbase irked me so much, though.
Put it on vinyl, I'll listen to it! Sounds like the use in the game adds a lot, though.
I would put naughty dogs fans in front of pretty much any fanbase in the ranking of worst fanbases
I rate them 8.8/10
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
And that's super shitty, but there will be fans who does that for anything. It just takes one insane guy really.
Glitchesarecool
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Totally. It's not just good music, it's good implementation.
The Undertale fanbase raised my expectations so much that when the game didn't meet it, I walked away seeing way more of the negative of the game than the positive. Is it fair that expectations can color an opinion so much? Probably not, but I also can't pretend or ignore that that's what happened.
We're talking about the Best Music award. I'm going to use the word 'best' and other words like it. That's too hyperbolic for you?
I think Undertale's music works better in the game, it goes pretty well with what's happening on screen.
Sleeping Lesson
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I have very little time to play games. A lot of factors, subconscious and conscious, go into deciding what I'm going to play. When I see fans being super hyperbolic and shitty, I'm less likely to be interested in their thing. Like I said before, I'm not saying this is rational or a good way of deciding, but it's a factor.
There are quite a few fanbases that do similar, sure. On the other hand, let's not pretend that the Undertale fanbase isn't more vocal than normal. Pretty much anyone who was public in games last year was constantly bombarded by people demanding they check it out. Almost no other game get's that kind of push from its fanbase, and that can be really off-putting for obvious reasons.
And then you add the shitheads like the ones I ran into. Even when the Undertale fandom is trying to do good and be positive, they can be obnoxious as shit by sheer numbers.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
I do really like undertale's music, but I do love the remix/cover community that grew from that even more.
Sleeping Lesson
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Your defensiveness is proving my point.
Sleeping Lesson
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In this case, I don't see anyone really being any different from the normal tenor of discussion in this thread. Any time you talk GOTY or favorite games like this, you have people being dismissive and hyperbolic for dramatic and comedic effect. Hell, I just have been doing a bit of that here for my defense of Splatoon.
Let me be clear, though, me actively finding Undertale's music unpleasant to listen to is not the hyperbolic part. I admire the craft in it, but really don't like the end result.
I get that. It's still really silly, and I'm glad that's not a factor at all for me when it comes to the media I choose to consume.
You're being hyperbolic.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Oh don't get me wrong, I agree that the fanbase is kinda shitty with how it tries to push the game. I think we even talked about it some during the goty threads. Just comes from people hoping that a small thing they like get the recognition they think it deserves, but they are really bad at actually moderating the tone and knowing when to back off.
Salty Catfish
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Hug it out, y'all.
And that's why the fandom has such a shit reputation. Even when you see its positive side, it tends to leave a negative impression.
Sleeping Lesson
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Totally, I agree. The sort of framing of the discussion is probably magnifying how I feel about it. Others' reactions to a game rarely sway me one way or another, Undertale is just one case where it kinda was.
LurkerPrime
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Never forget 2015's true GotY
Good point! Persona 5 is style personified. The menus alone sold me on it as a winner, back before I even knew what Persona was.
Oh right, that's what it was. Thanks.
Much harder to defend, but again, once you're looking at a game post-release there's no way MGSV stands up to muster. And any other game had no chance at GotY.
Good point! Persona 5 is style personified. The menus alone sold me on it as a winner, back before I even knew what Persona was.
Oh right, that's what it was. Thanks.
Much harder to defend, but again, once you're looking at a game post-release there's no way MGSV stands up to muster. And any other game had no chance at GotY.
Witcher 3's inclusion seemed so weird back then, but it's made a lot more sense as 2016 has progressed. All of BEast are very positive towards the game, it's just that it's so massive that no one really has a chance to play it completely.
Antiwhippy
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Like I said though, it runs through any deep fandom. The souls fandom was also pretty obnoxious when demon's first came out due to the whole "URGH YOU"RE DOING IT WRONG YOU'RE NOT A REAL GAMER" shit. Tribalism is just endemic to the human race really.
Hell, we're super shitty too. I didn't even want to enter any gametrailers thread for awhile because someone is sure to throw some giantbomb... bomb into the thread and derail it to shit.
Hell, we're super shitty too. I didn't even want to enter any gametrailers thread for awhile because someone is sure to throw some giantbomb... bomb into the thread and derail it to shit.
Twee culture is strong
edit: But I am the walking embodiment of the Demon's Souls shit fandom so what do I know
Witcher 3 and LiS are very, very good games, but we all know the real GotY wasn't even looked at by a single GB staff member.
If Persona 5 is near as good as it looks like it should be, it should win Style, Music, Story and Game of the Year all at the very least. It could also probably make arguments for Best Moment and Best Character.
I adore Souls games but i'm really put off by almost anything related to today's fanbase.
It's worse in the way that it has evolved into something that consists of a lot of "git gud" elitist mobs that actively disparage other Souls fans for a lot of stupid shit, from stuff like "you can't summon or you're shit" and "you can't use weapon x y and z because they're strong and for noobs and you're shit" to things like "wtf, you're using that chest piece with a long skirt? gtfo". And the lore discussions...
Long gone are the days when people would just be happy to see others get through a game.
But I think they spend too much time poisoning themselves and so they are a bit less visible than vocal fanbases who strictly focus on hyperbole and hostility against non-fans (like Undertale, Naughty Dog, Nintendo fans in general, etc)
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