supermetfreud
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Not saying they were. Doesn't make it any better. Intent in this case isn't much of a factor.
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Not saying they were. Doesn't make it any better. Intent in this case isn't much of a factor.
Not saying they were. Doesn't make it any better. Intent in this case isn't much of a factor.
it doesn't I can agree with you on that, but it's nothing to get worked up about unless you really want to get mad at something IMO
Hot Coldman
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it doesn't I can agree with you on that, but it's nothing to get worked up about unless you really want to get mad at something IMO
No-one's getting worked up. It's critique.
supermetfreud
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it doesn't I can agree with you on that, but it's nothing to get worked up about unless you really want to get mad at something IMO
It's just kind of a bummer when the rest of the game is so nice about representation. Like, there's an autistic Indian woman in a AAA video game? Goddamn.
But then you have these glaringly shitty skins bringing it down.
stump sock
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I think that emailer was too sensitive. It's def nothing to get worked up about.
I haven't listened to it, but that seems a bit silly. I think they actually do a pretty cool job of representing a bunch of cultures and varied body types, especially in their silly cartoon world. Anecdotal, but I have a (woman) friend who's got a kind of sturdy/muscular build and thinks it's great that Zarya's in it, especially since people aren't usually super chill about ladies with bodies like that.
Are the people being worried about these skins on the outside looking in? Should we be more worried about appropriation (please) than inclusion? Is a representation inherently bad because it's exaggerated like everything else in its universe?
It's just kind of a bummer when the rest of the game is so nice about representation. Like, there's an autistic Indian woman in a AAA video game? Goddamn.
But then you have these glaringly shitty skins bringing it down.
wait wat
supermetfreud
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wait wat
Yeah! It was mentioned in a comic.
Hot Coldman
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I haven't listened to it, but that seems a bit silly. I think they actually do a pretty cool job of representing a bunch of cultures and varied body types, especially in their silly cartoon world. Anecdotal, but I have a (woman) friend who's got a kind of sturdy/muscular build and thinks it's great that Zarya's in it, especially since people aren't usually super chill about ladies with bodies like that.
Are the people being worried about these skins on the outside looking in? Should we be more worried about appropriation (please) than inclusion? Is a representation inherently bad because it's exaggerated like everything else in its universe?
A lot of the places that I've seen cries of cultural appropriation coming from have also been overjoyed about the (contextualised, well-threaded) inclusiveness. So, you know, it's nuanced. Overall the game is mightily progressive but it's open to critique. Its flaws are too minor to negate its successes, but they're still there.
A lot of the places that I've seen cries of cultural appropriation coming from have also been overjoyed about the (contextualised, well-threaded) inclusiveness. So, you know, it's nuanced. Overall the game is mightily progressive but it's open to critique. Its flaws are too minor to negate its successes, but they're still there.
I guess. I'll listen to it during the weekend, it really depends on what the email was about, I have a hard time with people who take every single piece of traditional clothing in a negative way, as if all of tradition was insulting
The Dear Leader
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Shit is getting oddly political in this Omnibus QL.
The emailer was reasonable and explained his position very thoughtfully. It's not that bad but I think being offended or looking into the intent of the costume is a bit much. They're just alt looks for your characters. No different than cosplay for me.
people get offended at cosplay all the time
Mr "Oh, this is my jam!" grates me each time I hear it, but they've put so much work into their character variety that it's earned them a pass.
Tracer's VO actor should never work in the industry again though.
I've got "You eva' get that feeling of deja vu?" as her taunt.
Hot Coldman
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Mr "Oh, this is my jam!" grates me each time I hear it, but they've put so much work into their character variety that it's earned them a pass.
Tracer's VO actor should never work in the industry again though.
OH MY GOD I HATE TRACER SO MUCH. Like, can we get away from those British stereotypes. Please. PLEASE.
sucks that she's so fun to play
OH MY GOD I HATE TRACER SO MUCH. Like, can we get away from those British stereotypes. Please. PLEASE.
sucks that she's so fun to play
Does it hit close to home? I forget if you're British.
aspaceman55
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Has there been any mention of which coast is doing the Mirror's Edge stream today? It seems like both coasts don't remember the original game very well.
My own opinion is that the game seems to suffer from Ubisoftification and misses everything that made the original fun.
My own opinion is that the game seems to suffer from Ubisoftification and misses everything that made the original fun.
NumberThree
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Who's doing the Mirror's Edge QL?
OH MY GOD I HATE TRACER SO MUCH. Like, can we get away from those British stereotypes. Please. PLEASE.
sucks that she's so fun to play
oh you're british?
Keep calm! HAHA! are you drinking tea with the queen right now?
i'm so sorry
Who's doing the Mirror's Edge QL?
Sounds like Alex cuz he's playing it.
stump sock
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I Have no Brakes But I Must Stop
Hot Coldman
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Beast are doing the ME stream.
Now, it's not offensive because like, come on, I'm British, no-one would take it seriously even if I was (also I'm not Cockney)
but
it's sort of just annoying. Like I think I could forgive it without the CHEERIOs and that cavalry line. Like, yeah, cool, great. She's British. She's Cockney. Sweet. Pat yourself on the back!
Does it hit close to home? I forget if you're British.
Now, it's not offensive because like, come on, I'm British, no-one would take it seriously even if I was (also I'm not Cockney)
but
it's sort of just annoying. Like I think I could forgive it without the CHEERIOs and that cavalry line. Like, yeah, cool, great. She's British. She's Cockney. Sweet. Pat yourself on the back!
evilI've got "You eva' get that feeling of deja vu?" as her taunt.
Spirit of Jazz
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OH MY GOD I HATE TRACER SO MUCH. Like, can we get away from those British stereotypes. Please. PLEASE.
sucks that she's so fun to play
It's a known fact that we all talk like Oliver Twist cast members or the queen Hot Coldman. To be honest I think a lot of the Overwatch cast use the same level of cultural tact as the WWE does with their foreign wrestler gimmicks.
TheMrPliskin
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I kind of like Tracer's voice acting and dialogue, am I a bad person?
Hot Coldman
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can you guys enumerate the british stereotypes for me? obviously the accent is exaggerated but i didn't notice anything else
edit: ah i haven't heard the 'cheerio' line, yet
I might have made that one up. I don't think I did? Either way, "exaggerated" is putting her accent lightly
I kind of like Tracer's voice acting and dialogue, am I a bad person?
i kinda like it, too
she's fucking annoying to play against so her lines are appropriately infuriating
I might have made that one up. I don't think I did? Either way, "exaggerated" is putting her accent lightly
i feel like there's a difference between exaggerating it and drawing attention to it in a way that would turn it into parody
mercy's german accent, for example, is also pretty 'idealised', so-to-speak, but she does have a good amount of german lines, as well, that more than balance it out. i guess tracer and whoever the (us) american character is don't have that split
I'm from east London. Nobody, not even a dyed-in-the-wool cockney at a Sunday market, is that exaggerated.
Some Overwatch at the beginning. Then E3 plans (they're driving down next Saturday). Some thoughts about more in-depth game coverage he'd like to do (and criticism of others who've tried, but asked too much from the audience or taken too long).
Also, fun CBSi-gonna-CBSi fact - a few years back when Danny and another GS guy talked over the Sony conference (I watched it, was pretty good) they were told not to do it again by 'higher ups' because they didn't like the chat's reaction. Danny explained the audience hasn't had a chance to get they were going for a Eurovision-style vibe, but it didn't matter. A couple years later and everyone is doing sarcastic E3 talk-overs.
How was Danny's stream this morning? He talk about anything interesting? Or just more Overwatch?
Some Overwatch at the beginning. Then E3 plans (they're driving down next Saturday). Some thoughts about more in-depth game coverage he'd like to do (and criticism of others who've tried, but asked too much from the audience or taken too long).
Also, fun CBSi-gonna-CBSi fact - a few years back when Danny and another GS guy talked over the Sony conference (I watched it, was pretty good) they were told not to do it again by 'higher ups' because they didn't like the chat's reaction. Danny explained the audience hasn't had a chance to get they were going for a Eurovision-style vibe, but it didn't matter. A couple years later and everyone is doing sarcastic E3 talk-overs.
stump sock
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whoever the (us) american character is don't have that split
well the american stereotype is a cowboy so
sproutella
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Pretty much the only thing stopping me from buying overwatch is what I have heard coming from Tracer's mouth.
Felix Lighter
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OH MY GOD I HATE TRACER SO MUCH. Like, can we get away from those British stereotypes. Please. PLEASE.
sucks that she's so fun to play
American's love it. I could listen to her for hours.
Time for Dan to move in with Jeff and they can start their crazy adventures as roommates
That's what every new married couple needs, Dan living with them...
stump sock
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sure, with a beefy-ass computer
sure, with a beefy-ass computer
so my voodoo card wont cut it?
Felix Lighter
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If Tracer is the stereotype equivalent of McCree, then I can kind of see the issue, but McCree to my ears is such a cartoon character that the exaggeration is expected. Maybe if I was a Texan, he'd annoy me.
MiniBossBattle
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Man, Brad has such cool hair.
avengers23
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NEW HOT PRE-STREAM JAM RIGHT HERE.
Sleeping Lesson
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Oh hey Live QL. I'm actually very interested to see this thing. I hope they've played a bit of it already and can give impressions.
TheMrPliskin
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They have. Alex had already put some time in when they recorded the beastcast and was planning to put in some more before the QL.Oh hey Live QL. I'm actually very interested to see this thing. I hope they've played a bit of it already and can give impressions.
ggs in Rocket League btw
Sleeping Lesson
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They have. Alex had already put some time in when they recorded the beastcast and was planning to put in some more before the QL.
ggs in Rocket League btw
Ok cool. I have no idea if this game is shit or good.
Hella goalz.
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