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[popo]

If Gamespot's policies are anything like CNET's I think they mandate returning review hardware.

They return them - eventually. Bakalar was boasting about his home rig "testing" SLI 980tis and a G Sync monitor. You have to see how they perform long term, over say a year GB still use their Rift, Vive and the reference PC that came with the Rift for VR coverage.

I am not saying there is anything untoward. Unlike Tested and their yard sale or journos selling their press copies on ebay.

 

[Chuck]

Guys Im gonna win another avatar bet.

 

[justjim89]

Austin Walker makes Mafia 3 sound fun as hell to play if a bit too ambitious for it's own storytelling goals.

 

[Meneses]

Bound looks lovely, getting a lot of Journey vibes from it.

 

[Zaph]

Austin Walker makes Mafia 3 sound fun as hell to play if a bit too-ambitious for it's own storytelling goals.

Well it certainly has an ambitious soundtrack. I wanna know what their licensing budget was...

 

[Xater]

Austin Walker makes Mafia 3 sound fun as hell to play if a bit too ambitious for it's own storytelling goals.

Ever since I saw the reveal this game has been on my radar. Really looking forward to palying it.

Well it certainly has an ambitious soundtrack. I wanna know what their licensing budget was...

Take 2 is probably used to it and has some good connections. I mean they also have to do a shit ton of licensing for the GTA games and their sports titles.

 

[MassiveNights]

Mafia 3 is arguably worth $60 for the soundtrack alone.

The muhfuckin' Band.

 

[Tubobutts]

Well it certainly has an ambitious soundtrack. I wanna know what their licensing budget was...

Only one song from The Band and no Bob Dylan. Pffffft.

 

[Chuck]

I cannot believe the PS4 slim had been video unboxed more than 2 weeks before it would even be announced, let alone when it would actually be for sale.

I wonder if Sony is going to plug their ears and go "lalalalala I can't hear you!" And then just announce that per usual. That'd be fantastic.

 

[Piston Hyundai]

Topics: Mafia iii, Mafia 3, Mafia, Hangar 13, Bill Harms, 2K Games, 2K, games and race, nigger, VICE US, VICE Gaming, Gaming

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I've said it before, but I also really hope they don't fuck this up

 

[Salty Catfish]

The lead writer stressing how they're only using slurs when they're meaningful followed only minutes later by a goon screaming about a voodoo doll being nigger magic is a pretty bad look.

 

[Glitchesarecool]

Guys Im gonna win another avatar bet.

How do you have the tag "still without luck"

 

[TurboButts]

Is Mafia 3 this years Just Cause 3

 

[Salarians]

There was a Mirror's Edge sequel released this year

 

[Scizzy]

Is Mafia 3 this years Just Cause 3

I had this exact thought the other day.

 

[popo]

I cannot believe the PS4 slim had been video unboxed more than 2 weeks before it would even be announced, let alone when it would actually be for sale.

I wonder if Sony is going to plug their ears and go "lalalalala I can't hear you!" And then just announce that per usual. That'd be fantastic.

Shipping it to retailers (only real reason I can see them appearing for resale in multiple places) before you announce its existence seems to be asking a lot in terms of keeping quiet. Looks like Sony plugged their in house leak good and proper though. Neither Klepek nor Austin's Neo source managed feed them this one.

I have to imagine they are going for a "and you can buy it Monday" twist - which will hardly hit as they intended when everyone has already seen it.

 

[Meneses]

Yeah, it's probably gonna be a "and it's available right now!!" and people will go "yeah, we already know".

 

[broncobuster]

There was a Mirror's Edge sequel released this year

I finished up an old Beastcast last night and Vinny mentioned doing a Mirror's Edge stream the following day. Had that realization, too. And I forgot about it again until seeing your post.

Yeah, it's probably gonna be a "and it's available right now!!" and people will go "yeah, we already know".

That's why they'll announce the Neo is out right now.

 

[Fantastapotamus]

Ever since I saw the reveal this game has been on my radar. Really looking forward to palying it.

When I first heard that the game would be developed by Hangar 13 I lost all hope. Because I was 100% sure Hangar 13 were the dudes who developed Flatout 3. But not only is that not the case, the Flatout 3 developer doesn't even sound remotely similar. But I'm 100% sure there is a developer with a similar name who developer some absolutely terrible game I've played before.

There was a Mirror's Edge sequel released this year

Liar

 

[Xater]

When I first heard that the game would be developed by Hangar 13 I lost all hope. Because I was 100% sure Hangar 13 were the dudes who developed Flatout 3. But not only is that not the case, the Flatout 3 developer doesn't even sound remotely similar. But I'm 100% sure there is a developer with a similar name who developer some absolutely terrible game I've played before.

I was super skeptical going into their presentation and came out impressed.

 

[Fantastapotamus]

I was super skeptical going into their presentation and came out impressed.

Yeah, it looks pretty good. But it's driving me insane cause I can't remember which terrible develper I'm thinking off.

 

[Incandenza]

Well it certainly has an ambitious soundtrack. I wanna know what their licensing budget was...

Wow, they're basically gonna be the Vice City of '60s music. I'm still a little worried about the moment-to-moment gameplay from the video I've seen but I'm hopeful about that game.

 

[Wunder]

Has this been posted yet? It's a Warioware-style MAME mashup by Bennett Foddy and AP Thomson and it looks fucking amazing. I hope the GB guys get their hands on it and play a few rounds.

 

[stump sock]

Has this been posted yet? It's a Warioware-style MAME mashup by Bennett Foddy and AP Thomson and it looks fucking amazing. I hope the GB guys get their hands on it and play a few rounds.

I saw that pop up in my subs and wasn't sure what it was. that sounds amazing.

 

[Archaix]

The lead writer stressing how they're only using slurs when they're meaningful followed only minutes later by a goon screaming about a voodoo doll being nigger magic is a pretty bad look.

Wasn't that Austin's editorializing on it? I thought he clarified that they actually said it was voodoo. He just also thought that was problematic in itself.

 

[Anjin M]

Yeah, it looks pretty good. But it's driving me insane cause I can't remember which terrible develper I'm thinking off.

If only there was a website where you could reference such information.

 

[Salty Catfish]

Wasn't that Austin's editorializing on it? I thought he clarified that they actually said it was voodoo. He just also thought that was problematic in itself.

He mentioned in the article that it might have been voodoo or magic but was definitely preceded by the slur. The voodoo doll thing has the potential to be silly and fun but it seems absolutely jarring to combine the goofy reaction from the mafia goons with such a powerful racial slur.

 

[Piston Hyundai]

The lead writer stressing how they're only using slurs when they're meaningful followed only minutes later by a goon screaming about a voodoo doll being nigger magic is a pretty bad look.

Only using slurs when they're "meaningful" seems odd, considering that they're often thrown around like it's nothing, especially in the era the game takes place. Racism/bigotry/all that shit is often senseless in nature, so I think it'd actually kind of stick out if they didn't tap into that.

 

[Fantastapotamus]

If only there was a website where you could reference such information.

Sadly, searching for "Developer that kinda sounds like Hangar 13 and developed some bad game years ago" doesn't yield many results.

Only using slurs when they're "meaningful" seems odd, considering that they're often thrown around like it's nothing, especially in the era the game takes place. Racism/bigotry/all that shit is often senseless in nature, so I think it'd actually kind of stick out if they didn't tap into that.

True, but on the other hand I understand why people might be put off when NPCs yell "Nigger" every 5 minutes.

 

[popo]

A period game or movie like that gets in to a tricky area.

I mean if they wanted to be authentic it would be constant Italian and black slurs with a side order of nasty sexism. But it is a video game not a documentary and that stuff isn't fun for the player to be hearing throughout a 30 hour game. So do you ignore it? Water it down? It is a tough one.

It is like a Tarantino and the N word. According to the internet 113 times in Django and 65 in Hateful Eight. Press have a field day over if it is authentic or deliberately provocative.

Wasn't that Austin's editorializing on it? I thought he clarified that they actually said it was voodoo. He just also thought that was problematic in itself.

He mentioned in the article that it might have been voodoo or magic but was definitely preceded by the slur. The voodoo doll thing has the potential to be silly and fun but it seems absolutely jarring to combine the goofy reaction from the mafia goons with such a powerful racial slur.

Nah they absolutely say something like Nigger Voodoo or Nigger Mumbo Jumbo. Maybe, maybe it was "black voodoo," but it definitely wasn't just "black magic." The mobsters said nigger in nearly every non-major mission fight I had with them.

Edit: I will add that there's a brother, Charles Webb, as a senior writer on the project, so that has been a point of constant optimism for me.

 

[santeesioux]

In light of current American politics, that game has been proven prescient.

Also it's fucking great. Fantastic.

It would be perfect for them to play around November.

 

[FStop7]

mods help

 

[Tubobutts]

mods help

By changing Dan's avatar to a Waluigi minion?

 

[Salty Catfish]

Only using slurs when they're "meaningful" seems odd, considering that they're often thrown around like it's nothing, especially in the era the game takes place. Racism/bigotry/all that shit is often senseless in nature, so I think it'd actually kind of stick out if they didn't tap into that.

That's a good point, though I lean more towards what popo said about it being a 30-hour game -- hearing this stuff pop up in canned dialogue lines every single firefight could quickly become exhausting. It's a delicate balance to be sure, since skewing to the other extreme and treating every racial slur like some huge dramatic moment might come across as ungenuine.

 

[Piston Hyundai]

True, but on the other hand I understand why people might be put off when NPCs yell "Nigger" every 5 minutes.

I mean if they wanted to be authentic it would be constant Italian and black slurs with a side order of nasty sexism. But it is a video game not a documentary and that stuff isn't fun for the player to be hearing throughout a 30 hour game. So do you ignore it? Water it down? It is a tough one.

Yeah, having it be something uttered by pedestrians constantly would be shitty, but I think it needs be a part of the game that makes the player uncomfortable, as fucked up as that sounds. Watering it down for the sake of making it easier for the player to swallow feels like it'd be diminishing the impact of the game's racism and go against the devs intentions of giving the racial aspect the proper treatment.

Shit, the more we talk about this, the more I'm convinced that this is something a game developer can't possibly nail.

 

[Archaix]

A period game or movie like that gets in to a tricky area.

I mean if they wanted to be authentic it would be constant Italian and black slurs with a side order of nasty sexism. But it is a video game not a documentary and that stuff isn't fun for the player to be hearing throughout a 30 hour game. So do you ignore it? Water it down? It is a tough one.

It is like a Tarantino and the N word. According to the internet 113 times in Django and 65 in Hateful Eight. Press have a field day over if it is authentic or deliberately provocative.

Oh weird, his clarification in the Beastcast made it seem like he was exaggerating at first. I don't think anybody in the room was really taken aback by the word "magic" when he yelled it out.

 

[GustyGardens]

After reading Austin's article, I'm still looking forward to playing Mafia 3, but it seems like they're leaning a little too hard on the racial slurs as way to build atmosphere and it's not really cutting it. Video game storytelling has always struggled with nuance, though.

At some point, the writers and developers don't want a gun fight to be completely silent, so they attempt the build on the world they've created by relying on a few key phrases and ideas, but that ultimately leads to them losing their significance. That's often why we get stuff like, "Get that asshole!" or "You're gonna die, bitch!" The latter coming from The Division when you're playing as a woman.

Video games don't have the luxury of being tightly edited pieces, especially when you're dealing with an open world game.

I hope the developers take some of the feedback to heart.

 

[Fantastapotamus]

After reading Austin's article, I'm still looking forward to playing Mafia 3, but it seems like they're leaning a little too hard on the racial slurs as way to build atmosphere and it's not really cutting it. Video game storytelling has always struggled with nuance, though.

At some point, the writers and developers don't want a gun fight to be completely silent, so they attempt the build on the world they've created by relying on a few key phrases and ideas, but that ultimately leads to them losing their significance. That's often why we get stuff like, "Get that asshole!" or "You're gonna die, bitch!" The latter coming from The Division when you're playing as a woman.

Video games don't have the luxury of being tightly edited pieces, especially when you're dealing with an open world game.

I hope the developers take some of the feedback to heart.

Honestly, repeating phrases are one of my pet peeves in games. I hate them. I'd rather have an option to turn them off completely than constantly hear them spout the same 4-5 lines over and over and over.

 

[Piston Hyundai]

AAt some point, the writers and developers don't want a gun fight to be completely silent, so they attempt the build on the world they've created by relying on a few key phrases and ideas, but that ultimately leads to them losing their significance. That's often why we get stuff like, "Get that asshole!" or "You're gonna die, bitch!" The latter coming from The Division when you're playing as a woman.

That's a part of video game writing I can't stand: dialogue in fights never sounds natural. Fights are a mess of half-sentences and grunts and noises, not a bunch of people shouting standard ass taunts and shit.

 

[Salty Catfish]

Yeah, in my experience video game firefights are at their most tense when things are absolutely quiet save for the bark of the gunfire. Taunts and generic action music rarely help the mood.

 

[justjim89]

That's a part of video game writing I can't stand: dialogue in fights never sounds natural. Fights are a mess of half-sentences and grunts and noises, not a bunch of people shouting standard ass taunts and shit.

The one that bugged me the most was in Scarface: The World is Yours (a great game and I won't hear otherwise) the mooks you're shooting would spout Tony Montana quotes at Tony Montana.

"I take you all to fucking hell!"

"I'll take all your fucking bullets!"

"You gonna need a fucking army to take me!"

 

[Human Trashcan]

That's a part of video game writing I can't stand: dialogue in fights never sounds natural. Fights are a mess of half-sentences and grunts and noises, not a bunch of people shouting standard ass taunts and shit.

It was a whole meme in Splinter Cell: Conviction, enemies would NOT shut up. Penny Arcade even did a comic about it I'm not going to link because fuck those guys.

 

[Piston Hyundai]

It was a whole meme in Splinter Cell: Conviction, enemies would NOT shut up. Penny Arcade even did a comic about it I'm not going to link because fuck those guys.

so because you don't like those guys you're going to make me do the work of looking it up

 

[justjim89]

It was a whole meme in Splinter Cell: Conviction, enemies would NOT shut up. Penny Arcade even did a comic about it I'm not going to link because fuck those guys.

I had friends at the airfield, Fischer! And you're gonna pay!

 

[broncobuster]

It was a whole meme in Splinter Cell: Conviction, enemies would NOT shut up. Penny Arcade even did a comic about it I'm not going to link because fuck those guys.

Idle Thumbs had a funny bit about it way back when.

It's best in the Batman Arkham games when the idea is to actively mess with them.

Actually, it's the absolute worst in Batman Arkham City playing as Catwoman.

 

[Human Trashcan]

so because you don't like those guys you're going to make me do the work of looking it up

I mean, you don't HAVE to read it. But yeah, pretty much!

 

[Sleeping Lesson]

so because you don't like those guys you're going to make me do the work of looking it up

It's this one. I don't remember why we're supposed to hate Penny Arcade.

 

[Jintor]

The idle thumbs airfield segment is one of my favorite discussions they ever had

 

[SirClinksAlot]

Austin Walker makes Mafia 3 sound fun as hell to play if a bit too ambitious for it's own storytelling goals.

Boy I hope this game hits its mark. It sounds pretty great.

 

[Piston Hyundai]

It's this one. I don't remember why we're supposed to hate Penny Arcade.

because we're not supposed to separate the art from the artist