Sleeping Lesson
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And the description says they restarted the system and the frame rate improved in that spot. Still though... yikes.
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And the description says they restarted the system and the frame rate improved in that spot. Still though... yikes.
Well according to Eurogamer it drops to single digits, well below his very high standard of 15fps!
There's never been a better time to purchase as PS4 Pro.
The digital foundry video covers the differences between pro and normal I think (haven't watched it yet) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g48ZELS0tyw
Sleeping Lesson
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Thanks, I'll watch it now!
Nope.
sammyCYBORG
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This is true to be honest. People not knowing or caring about framerate and resolution has ruined a lot of the console industry. It's even ruining some PC games.
It's 2016 and people are still playing sub-1080p, sub-30fps games happily.
I know I sound like an elitist prick, but get some standards innit.
I don't think you sound like an elitist prick. It's a fair point, and I'm happy waiting till I get a Pro to pick up TLG. But I have thoroughly enjoyed Deus Ex MD and Dishonored 2 in the past few months, and they are definitely not locked to 30 fps on PS4. It's really a personal thing of how much tech issues affect your enjoyment, and it can vary wildly by game.
To be fair, I think standards have gotten higher. I remember the N64 and PS2 era pretty much everything ran like dogshit. Hell OoT ran right in line with what TLG is running at framerate-wise. Comparatively it seems a lot of companies are at least trying to hit more stable framerates, mostly because being able to say it's locked is a good buzzword now. Still unacceptable but there's been some positive movement in recent years
sammyCYBORG
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It started in 2010 for me.
When I built my first gaming PC.
Maybe everyone should be introduced to PCs from an early age - mandatory by the age of 5.
Sleeping Lesson
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According to the Digital Foundry video, the only way to get a solid 30 fps is to play the game on a Pro in 1080p mode. Absurd. That game should be 60 fps on a Pro in 1080p.
sammyCYBORG
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If the engine is fucked then the engine is fucked, only so much raw power can do.
Look at GTA4 on PC.
stump sock
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what? I'm pretty sure they only said that that performance should be equal across multiplayer games. otherwise why the hell would most people even bother to upgrade?
Sony letting it out the door like that, while it runs fine on the Pro, is anti-consumer as fuck and should be the exact thing Sony has zero-tolerance for. And I say this as someone who owns a Pro.
Unless i'm mistaken, I was under the impression that they made it pretty clear that devs wouldn't be allowed to make versions that runs poorly on the normal PS4 and well on the PS4 Pro
if not that's even worse, straight up fuck you to the consumers instead of a slightly hidden fuck you
stump sock
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I'd feel terrible for someone who only buys games based on Bakalar reviews.
oh I'm with you on that point. and this is a fucking first party game.
Sleeping Lesson
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Of course there's an explanation, but that doesn't excuse anything.
Felix Lighter
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the last guardian performance on a standard PS4 looks so rough. A game originally targeting the PS3 seems to now be designed for the pro. I'm very glad to see that it's turned out well though.
I think they're referring to games launching like shit on the OG Ps4 but being fine on the pro, which I'm pretty sure sony said wouldn't happen? It's been my biggest worry with the PRO as someone who really doesn't want to upgrade right now.
sammyCYBORG
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Oh no I'm right alongside you with the pitchfork and torch mate.
It's not even a stunning game from what I've seen.
They never said that. They said games weren't allowed to run worse on the Pro compared to the standard PS4. But only in the leaked documents anyways, it's not exactly law.
Why? Seems perfectly capable to me. I've heard such absurd opinions from game journalists over the years, I would say he's better than many.
I got a gaming PC in 2007 and really enjoyed it for a while, but moved back to consoles in 2009 with PS3 because of Wipeout and 2010 with 360 because of Bayonetta.
Sleeping Lesson
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Yep, what a shame. I was hoping (perhaps misguidedly) that this game would be another reason to get a Pro, but it seems that's not the case. Not sure if I'll play it any time soon, given my intolerance of sub-60 framerates.
stump sock
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if they did, then I missed that, but I'm not at all surprised. everything about the promises made about the Pro (and their policies) so far have been hot air.
pretty convenient though when you have people out there saying that 15fps is totally fine, makes Sony's stance pretty defensible. "It doesn't run like shit, it runs at a framerate that is totally acceptable to reviewers and moderators at video game sites."
sammyCYBORG
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Pre-2010 my gaming split was 90% console and 10% PC (whatever my struggling PC could play).
Now it's 90% PC and 10% console. Bump that up to 20% for consoles when Nintendo release the Switch.
It's not just the tech side though - consoles have got worse in a lot of ways in the last decade or so.
It sounds like this is a reason to get a Pro. It at least runs well on the Pro, whereas the standard PS4 runs poorly
In those leaked slides Pro versions were specifically allowed to have higher/more stable framerates.
It's really silly for anyone to pretend the Pro is at fault for TLG running poorly on PS4. If the Pro never existed TLG would not run any better. It has clearly has engine problems that no amount of tweaking can fix.
stump sock
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something something "I get consoles so I don't have to throw money at them to get moderate performance improvements" something something
also if you're buying a Pro to upgrade your existing ps4 for non-HDR or non-4k reasons, you're possibly an idiot
Yeah typo, sorry. I edited shortly after.
You got the score wrong. It clearly says he gave it 32 Crying Boys out of Dead Luck Dragon.
Felix Lighter
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The thing about those Sony guidelines is it almost certainly is referring to target framerates. BF1 has a 60 fps target on both Pro and standard but the reality is far from the target in 64 player conquest. In my mind, as far as Sony is concerned BF1 standard and pro run at the same target framerate, so all is good, even if the drops are severe and constant on the standard and less so on the Pro. I think that is also why the worse performing PS4 Pro games. They aren't allowed to target a lower framerate for enhanced mode compared to the standard, so as long as they both target 30 their good, even if the performance is less consistent.
sammyCYBORG
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In those leaked slides Pro versions were specifically allowed to have higher/more stable framerates.
It's really silly for anyone to pretend the Pro is at fault for TLG running poorly on PS4. If the Pro never existed TLG would not run any better. It has clearly has engine problems that no amount of tweaking can fix.
The problem is Sony don't enforce performance standards, so you get situations like this.
If they said to devs, first and third party, "this has to be 30fps at least consistently on the base model" then nobody would have any issues.
But you can release a first party game that drops to single digits and that's a-okay with them apparently.
I agree, no way in hell am I getting a Pro. But the Pro does run better, so if you're choosing between the two go for the Pro. But everything Sony has done surrounding this console have just been bad. And yeah, someone getting a Pro without 4K deserves to lose their money.
No console maker forces a minimum of 30 fps locked. Look at ReCore.
ratcliffja
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I still really want TLG, but the bad frame rate is unfortunate, especially since I just beefed up my PC and have no intention of upgrading to a PS4 Pro. Oh well.
sammyCYBORG
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Well yeah, and that's a problem I think.
Where is the protection for the consumers?
MS and Sony should be pushing developers to make games better. It would be better in the long run. In the meantime, more people will shift to PC (although even MS don't get that right on PC...)
I think the answer is less about enforcing a performance standard and more about sony (and Microsoft) having a proper refund policy like Steam that protects against getting burned by bad purchases.
stump sock
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if there's one thing in the world I'll give nintendo credit for, it's that they know how to make their first-party games set technical and presentational bars high. mostly.
don't even get me started on the technical shit related to FH3 on pc
don't even get me started on the technical shit related to FH3 on pc
I'll be really curious to see how the new Zelda ends up running.
sammyCYBORG
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This is good to protect consumers and would be a positive step forward, I agree.
However, there would still be a LOT of people who would put up with bad performance etc.
If the games weren't allowed to be released until they hit a certain standard, that would improve it for everyone and the baseline of what was acceptable for the majority would go up.
It will never happen I know.
I've still not bought it for that reason
I think the perfect lineup for any QB quick look would be Brad playing (so the comments go nuts when he struggles with the controls), Jeff (so the comments go nuts when he complains that it looks like shit) and Vinny (so the comments go nuts that he continually makes jokes about the luck dragon and how dumb he looks).
stump sock
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not enough of the consumers and/or press care enough for it to give anybody any incentive. people like me are the outliers. I mean the majority of the people buying games today probably grew up in the n64 era so they're fully conditioned to poor performance.
I'll be a little surprised if the Wii U version hits 30 fps locked, but I think the Switch version will be smooth.
sammyCYBORG
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I'm 26 so the N64/PS1 was the first gen I was really invested in.
I got converted to high performance and framerate when I experienced it consistently. Others would.
But like I said, the enforcement would never happen.
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