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Giant Bomb #9 | More Dan Meets The Eye
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Yeah, but now that one map is entirely different
They changed a few pathways, tree locations, and a doorway faces a new direction
COMPLETELY changes the game.
SteveWinwood
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DOTA's learning curve looks crazy enough as is. Doesn't need added complication.
Yup, I use Graze which is similar - once you have these (moderately) healthy snack boxes on hand, you'll surprise yourself with how often you open one instead of some junk. Good for any GAFers trying to drop a few pounds.
No Items. Final Destination.
SteveWinwood
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It kind of just got a massive simplification like 3 hours ago.
It changed 5 damage types to 3 and made everything much simpler with interactions. It's pretty big.
im still amazed football only has one map
They still look different.
That sounds... controversial?
Is there a clear motive behind the change? Has Valve stated they want a simpler game, or are they just mixing it up to stay interesting?
Oh, I'm sure the Dota community is thrilled.
ratcliffja
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Thanks guys. I'll give that stuff a shot when I get home tonight if I have time.
The struggle was real:
Brad better not be slacking cuz of Dota!
SteveWinwood
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Overall the game has been skewing simpler for a while (at least in general, earth spirit is still mind blowingly complicated) changing a lot of the oddly specific interactions to more general rules (night vision on some heroes, disjointing projectiles etc.) making it "easier". It's still just as complicated as it ever was it just requires a little less actual study and experience to know what interacts with what how.
This change actually changes very little regarding how damage is dealt, and much more with specific under the hood stuff that only people really into it will know anything about anyhow.
I don't think it has anything to do with Valve, it's just more fun without having to know 23405285 things.
There are way too many other things happening for anyone to care right now. Map changes, new item, new rune, two reworks, 4 or 5 new aghs, tons of reblances. We won't be feeling this change, if at all, for a few months and we'll see how it shook out. Also helps that 98% of the community will never understand what just happened and most won't ever even notice it.
BronsonLee
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I...was not prepared for that D4 Quick Look
SteveWinwood
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JawesomeJaw
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Icefrog changes are responsive without being reactionary. It is kind of amazing really.
SteveWinwood
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Takes one guy to make Blizzard's balance team look like a bunch of monkeys it's hilarious.
Consequence
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I just started playing DOTA three weeks ago but I'm definitely going to play tonight to see if the patch changes things noticeably on the heroes I've been learning.
Patch isn't live yet.
Consequence
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Oh. Well I'll probably play anyway. This game is a sickness.
There were only a handful of abilities in the game that used the damage types that are removed, and one of them has been a huge issue (the change severely hurts one hero specifically, and makes a lot of other interactions more clear) in most levels of play.
Overall Dota is a really confusing game when everything follows the same ruleset. A lot were results of limitations from the Warcraft 3 engine, others are just a result of iterating on a game over the course of a decade. This is a significant step toward making everything play by the same rules so that you don't need to memorize a dozen exceptions to what a skill or item does but in most individual cases a relatively minor gameplay change.
As for patching in general, I really like the Dota method of waiting out what seems imbalanced. League of Legends patches every single week and everything gets somewhat homogenized as a result. Instead of forcing playstyles to adapt or new characters to counter what is strong, they react and change everything as soon as it seems strong or weak.
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SteveWinwood
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Yep.
Some people think they know his real name.
But we don't know anything about him other than he has a cat and he kind of knows some Chinese.
AwakenedCloud
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im still amazed football only has one map
The size of it the same, but the flourish differs between stadiums. What damage would it do to make seasonal maps? Snow covered trees wouldn't do any harm.
There are weather effects
SteveWinwood
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we've had like 4 different seasonal treatments and there are 3 different weather patterns
AwakenedCloud
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Can you actively toggle them on and off? I haven't played in the past 6 months, but I only remember the winter thing, and that was only for the holidays.
They do that in DOTA.
SteveWinwood
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The three weather effects (rain, snow, and moonbeams) came with the TI4 compendium.
Zombie James
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Same.
AwakenedCloud
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That's good to know. I'll probably never play DOTA ever again, but it's good to see them adding in variety.
Felix Lighter
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It's an older case. It used to be a decent budget case but I think there are better alternatives in that price rang nowadays.
This is the inexpensive case I'd go with: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811139018
I built 3 PCs for friends in the last year and I've used that case for each. Easy to work in.
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Incandenza
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You know, NatureBox is starting to sound pretty alright.
Yeah, that series seems to be really decent. I bought a 400r myself back in April.
Dr Duncan Steel
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Kinda heartwarming to see kids doing something involving outdoors in this day and age of iPads and shit.
stump sock
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hahahaha
Mushroomer25
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Only to be foiled by a crazy old man with a robot camera.
Zen_Arcade
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The stadiums don't look the same. Plus the game of football is built around the parameters of the field. The game wouldn't work if every field looked different. I don't know much about DoTA, is there any reason they need to have the same map over and over? Would it break the game if they created new maps to play on?im still amazed football only has one map
Dr Duncan Steel
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And that's what makes today, the greatest generation.
Ryckert's right, "everyone shut up, it's fine."
He's got my mayoral vote
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